Disabled students forced to sit in own blood, urine

Full story: KUSA Denver 43
" A school watch group is accusing an elementary school of restraining and secluding students with disabilities, forcing one to sit in her own urine. Full Story
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Jackie

Colorado Springs, CO

#1 Mar 12, 2007
As a special educator I find this story to be incredibly slanted. While the treatment of the students is inappropriate, the article omits information that restraint may be used to ensure the safety of other students and staff as well as the student who is acting out. Time out, or "seclusion", as it is termed in this article, is also an appropriate and acceptable intervention when used correctly. The article sadly lacked such information. Due to these omissions may, and most likely will, lead parents across the state to question the same practices in their child's school, which are most likely being implemented appropriately and according to CDE guidelines.
concerned

Parker, CO

#2 Mar 12, 2007
I am curious to know what the specific disabilities are? If these students have behavioral disabilities then the news needs to report on this because there is only so much a teacher can do with students who are acting out physically and sometimes the time out room is the only safe place for these children when they are out of control. If a student is out of control and throwing things to get into the time out, sometimes the adult cannot trust that the student will walk to the bathroom without being a safety issue (either to himself or others by attacking or running out of the building). I would like to know more about the specific disabilities before placing judgment on the staff at the school. Parents who have children with significant behavior disabilities might be able to understand.
lgc

Denver, CO

#3 Mar 12, 2007
No one wants to address the real problem here which goes way beyond what happened in the school.
How did caring for children that are obviously not suitible for public school become the taxpayers/school systems responsibility?
What about those who bring these children into the world knowing they can not care for them. Is there any responsibility with them?
JLS

Parker, CO

#4 Mar 12, 2007
Jackie wrote:
As a special educator I find this story to be incredibly slanted. While the treatment of the students is inappropriate, the article omits information that restraint may be used to ensure the safety of other students and staff as well as the student who is acting out. Time out, or "seclusion", as it is termed in this article, is also an appropriate and acceptable intervention when used correctly. The article sadly lacked such information. Due to these omissions may, and most likely will, lead parents across the state to question the same practices in their child's school, which are most likely being implemented appropriately and according to CDE guidelines.
I too am a special education teacher in a self-contained classroom for students with emotional and behavioral disabilities and I agree with your comments 100%! I think there is a lot of information that is being left out of this article and will therefore make other teachers' jobs more difficult when dealing with acting out students.
Jean

Brighton, CO

#5 Mar 12, 2007
I agree with Jackie, the special educator with a point. Special Education covers a broad spectrum of students and is an extremely difficult field.
Those students damaged by social deprivations with emotional disabilities can be quite violent. The use of a "time - out" room itself indicates the child is in a program to either remediate or will be the road to further separation from society. With the parent's objections, they are very likely to see future separations from their parents. Be fair and realize the school is limited in what can be told about the child and his behavior. While as a reporter, you can not tell the child's history, you can tell about children with this disorder, the purpose of time-out, where children that don't seem to conform end up; etc. People really need to understand.
Can you imagine a student throwing a desk around, kicking, cussing, screaming, etc.? While I haven't seen these children, my guess is that they are on the point of uncontrollable. Ordinary students are NOT subject to a time-out room. If this is the case, prove your point. Parents reading this could be led to think otherwise. The parent of the average child needs to thank special educators that their child is protected from rages that some children are capable of.....
Special educators are short and in demand. Your article would not encourage enrollement in the field of study. Do a story about what they cope with and success's. They deserve it! I am not in special education but have served as a substitute and have vast respect for a very draining field.
Kudos to special educators who keep trying on children that society has failed, parents in particular. 2175
Joseph Poole

Lancing, TN

#6 Mar 12, 2007
Seems to me these folks at the school need to be strung up by thier toes and treated the same as they were treating God's children. Thier frustration led to this and that being said shows that thier training was not enough. Good lord. What the hell were they thinking.
Joseph Poole

Lancing, TN

#7 Mar 12, 2007
Seems to me these folks at the school need to be strung up by thier toes and treated the same as they were treating God's children. Thier frustration led to this and that being said shows that thier training was not enough. Good lord. What the hell were they thinking. And the lady before me seems to be slanted too.
Joseph Poole

Lancing, TN

#9 Mar 12, 2007
Hey, to those who agree that those teachers were right... You might think it's normal to sit in your own urin because of your up-bringing however don't condone it because it's not normal or right to do that anymore. Get real
nora bargas

Denver, CO

#11 Mar 12, 2007
I think people especially teachers or aides dealing with children with disabilities should be punished for the actions they chose to take when making decisions that hurt the children or humiliate them.We as parents put our trust in these teachers in hope they can help our children instead they make it harder for the children and parents to cope with the outcome.i hope people realize that these are children and feel pain just like other children with out disabilities.Everyone should be treated the same like human beings not animals.
NC Visitor

Greenville, NC

#13 Mar 12, 2007
One of the students "often injured himself while in the room." Doesn't that tell everyone he had no business in the public school system. I believe that is the student that is now in some institution. That child should never have been in public schools.
Jack N Thebox

Schaumburg, IL

#14 Mar 12, 2007
Nora, while I agree with what you said, I still think you are ignorant in this issue. This seems to be more of an issue of teachers dealing as best as they can with children with major disabilies as opposed to child abuse.
Would it be better to let these kids scream, shout, and throw desks, or seclude them until they calmed down?
How much in damages

Denver, CO

#15 Mar 12, 2007
It doesn't seem as though we are getting the whole story. At least one of the children is reported to have bitten others before being sent to time-out. It is not unusual for a child with a behavioral disorder to urinate in a time-out room or do any other number of things that might shock the un-educated bystander. That is why behaviorally challenged kids do them...for shock value.
I would be surprised if the mother who has had to seek a private facility didn't find the same sort of treatment there. The private facilities I've worked with have been far more rigid than the public schools are allowed to be. But, private facilities don't come cheap; a person might have to win a lawsuit to pay the expenses!
JaC

AOL

#16 Mar 12, 2007
What those poor kids went through, was not discipline, it was abuse and those who were responsible need to be held accountable. Some special need kids need to be handled a little different than others, but what those kids went through was above and beyond appropriate handling.
JJJ

Glenwood Springs, CO

#17 Mar 12, 2007
MC Pee Pants wrote:
I think sitting in your own urine is totally acceptable for someone in a special ed class. That's why they're there. Special ed teachers can't work miracles. They can only do what they can do. Blame God for allowing these kids to come into the world mentally retarded. This all started because brothers and sisters from TN were having babies together.
Put yourself in te childs shoes your totally wrong that is not how any human being should be treated disabled or not!!!
JJJ

Glenwood Springs, CO

#18 Mar 12, 2007
MC Pee Pants wrote:
I think sitting in your own urine is totally acceptable for someone in a special ed class. That's why they're there. Special ed teachers can't work miracles. They can only do what they can do. Blame God for allowing these kids to come into the world mentally retarded. This all started because brothers and sisters from TN were having babies together.
Your totally wrong!!! Put yourself in that childs shoes. No human being should ever be treated that way disabled or not!!!
JJJ

Glenwood Springs, CO

#19 Mar 12, 2007
Put yourself in these childrens shoes having to sit in your urine is not right for a disabled child or not. What if this was your child? Your wrong!!! Your not informed!!!
One Mad Women

Denver, CO

#20 Mar 12, 2007
Here is my take on this whole thing...
Pee Pants, where the heck do you get off saying what you did, funny, you must live a very lonely life to want to blame God, open your eyes, these children are God's Angels sent to teach others like you a lesson, and that whole inbreed thing, you need counseling on a DEEP level if you truly believe that, seek help fast......
and another thing, i completely understand that special ed teachers have it rough. very. teachers who dont have disabled children deal with issues as well. your point was well made. HOWEVER.....it clearly states that the child TOLD them multiple times she had to pee, if this girl was prone to "false" potty breaks, is it truly that difficult to take her anyhow?? call down to the office if your that short staffed, i am sure there is a teacher sitting in the break room who wouldnt mind pitching in a couples minutes....unless they are as heartless as some of you seem to be.
on that note, the boy who was withheld from FOOD till the end of the day?? yah THATS great restraining abilities right there. it must be that these "teachers" seemed to think that they couldnt handle the load, lock one up, if they have an incident lets blame it on the lack of abilities. or how about lack of humanity and who will ever know?? these children cant seem to do too much on their own let alone snitch on them....
oh and ANOTHER thing, does anyone realize how much special care can be???? do you have the $$ to help pay? no you dont and neither do some of these parents, as if they dont have ENOUGH on their plates everyday, lets add a tuition for extra care....in a world like this it is hard to find caring individuals in this field, and they are hard to find but not a one of those teachers gets to ABUSE anyone, monster comes to mind when i think about people like that, irregardless of what may or may not have happened
why dont you pee on yourself, go w/o food for the day, lock yourself in seclusion a few times for 30 mins or more and see how well that works for you.....now imagine it with less understanding of whats going on......these people enrage me on a heartbreaking level....
one day they will have to face their music, God only knows what happens to those who mistreat his Angels.......
Donna

Aguilar, CO

#21 Mar 13, 2007
The problem is not children with disabilities or that "society has failed, particularly parents" Jean! It is special education teachers that are failing, who think they can abuse these children. Maybe the special educators that do more harm than help, should not be in this chosen profession. Yes, they do need to be held accountable they expect the children to be held accountable why not them? These children have a right to life, an education and the right to be heard. Just because a child is brought into the world and has disabilites does not mean that child should not have been brought forth. I am a mother of a 3 yr old that was born with 8 different birth defects, we did not know of these until his birth. We still would not have aborted. Last month he was restrained by a special education teacher on her lap because he would not sit during circle time.(none of the 3 year olds sit during circle time)He regressed in behavior and toileting, he also did not want to attend school. These children and my baby have enough to deal with in life from mean children and ignorant people, they do not need to be traumatized by people who are supposed to help them. Parents and others need to speak up and stand up for the children we are their voice.
Donna

Aguilar, CO

#22 Mar 13, 2007
The problem is not children with disabilities or that "society has failed, particularly parents" Jean! It is special education teachers that are failing, who think they can abuse these children. Maybe the special educators that do more harm than help, should not be in this chosen profession. Yes, they do need to be held accountable they expect the children to be held accountable why not them? These children have a right to life, an education and the right to be heard. Just because a child is brought into the world and has disabilites does not mean that child should not have been brought forth. I am a mother of a 3 yr old that was born with 8 different birth defects, we did not know of these until his birth. We still would not have aborted. Last month he was restrained by a special education teacher on her lap because he would not sit during circle time.(none of the 3 year olds sit during circle time)He regressed in behavior and toileting, he also did not want to attend school. These children and my baby have enough to deal with in life from mean children and ignorant people, they do not need to be traumatized by people who are supposed to help them. Parents and others need to speak up and stand up for the children we are their voice. Oh and by the way Igc who wants to know how it becomes the "taxpayers/school systems responsibility"; how about when they are given funding for having children with disabilities in their school. Do you people realize the funding these schools are given.
Obbop

Omaha, NE

#23 Mar 13, 2007
Yeah, in the interest of "inclusion," to feeeeel warm and fuzzy and to sate the pandering politicians, place the kids with severe problems into the schools. Everyone knows the schools are now the cure-all for all of a kid's ailments.

Next, the schools will have a cancer ward as well as perform organ transplants.

In other words, why weren't those kids with such severe problems in a medical setting with the properly trained and equipped personnel?

Maybe the tax money isn't there, that we have to tend to those kids cheaply. We DO need those BILLIONS of dollars to prop up foreign dictators and force our superior "American Way" on foreign people and cultures.

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