Baby Found Dead in Basket Outside Hospital

Full story: WLTX Columbia 49
" Homicide investigators responded to a Denver area hospital Tuesday night after a dead baby was found inside a basket just outside the hospital. Full Story
scoots

Englewood, CO

#22 Feb 28, 2008
GSXR Chick wrote:
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That was not at all what I was trying to say. Everyone jumps on the bandwagon that this person needs to fry (I have been know to also), but there are just not enough facts. If the baby were alive when it was left, yes, I think whomever it was should take responsibility and do the time, but if she was stillborn, there was nothing that they could do. Maybe they thought that was the right thing to do, thinking that taking a dead baby to the hospital that they would be arrested for not doing anything...know what I mean?
I never said that they should fry. Either way - their actions were wrong - there's nothing right about this situation. I don't believe there is a gray area here. You don't dump a baby, either dead or alive. If it's ok to do it this time, what happens next time? See what I mean?
Raysmom

Loveland, CO

#23 Feb 28, 2008
I don't think that anyone here is completely excusing the actions of whomever left this poor child. I am a pretty conservative gal who believes in personal responsibility. I disagree with you, however, that there is no gray area here. You, yourself, have determined a sort of gray area by claiming that they should not fry. Murder or accidental, dead is dead, so by your logic, they should fry, right? As of the news tonight, they are in contact with the mother and waiting for autopsy results to decide what to do next. If the baby was alive, she will be punished accordingly. If not, how much more can we punish this sad, frightened person who has lost so much already? She was obviously in great distress! Ever had a stillborn child, Scoots, or been SO DESPERATE that you left your baby? She didn't throw it in a dumpster, or leave it in a toilet while she went dancing. I don't think that a mild punishment and counseling if the baby was already deceased will encourage a rash of baby abandonments! There is ALWAYS gray area and room for cooler heads to prevail- see what I mean?
scoots

Denver, CO

#24 Feb 28, 2008
All I'm saying is that leaving the baby whether it was dead or alive at the time was wrong - that is not a gray area. It doesn't really matter what the reason was - the action itself was wrong. I never said anything on what type of punishment the person responsible for the wrong action should receive. I was commenting on the act itself. No - I've never left any of my children.

I don't get why there is always an excuse. She was desparate - she was scared - is the outcome of what will happen now any better for her? NO. What did she gain? NOTHING. If she would have done what was right to begin with, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

“I miss you T!”

Since: Sep 07

Location hidden

#25 Feb 29, 2008
I saw this morning on the news that they know who he mother is. They have not arrested her, and she is cooperating fully with the police. Also, the autopsy report won't be back for several weeks.

“I miss you T!”

Since: Sep 07

Location hidden

#26 Feb 29, 2008
Raysmom wrote:
I don't think that anyone here is completely excusing the actions of whomever left this poor child. I am a pretty conservative gal who believes in personal responsibility. I disagree with you, however, that there is no gray area here. You, yourself, have determined a sort of gray area by claiming that they should not fry. Murder or accidental, dead is dead, so by your logic, they should fry, right? As of the news tonight, they are in contact with the mother and waiting for autopsy results to decide what to do next. If the baby was alive, she will be punished accordingly. If not, how much more can we punish this sad, frightened person who has lost so much already? She was obviously in great distress! Ever had a stillborn child, Scoots, or been SO DESPERATE that you left your baby? She didn't throw it in a dumpster, or leave it in a toilet while she went dancing. I don't think that a mild punishment and counseling if the baby was already deceased will encourage a rash of baby abandonments! There is ALWAYS gray area and room for cooler heads to prevail- see what I mean?
Guess I should have read your post before I posted...I agree with you completely.

“Poke the bear at your own risk”

Since: Sep 07

Fort Lupton, CO

#27 Feb 29, 2008
Still way to little information for a real formed opinion. She didn't just leave the baby, she called to make sure the baby was found. Did she follow the rules 100%? No. Could she have handled the situation differently? Yes. Is she evil? In my mind No, she obviously was scared, but not evil or even 100% wrong. She didn't abandon it at the hospital, she went to a call box so that someone would come investigate what was going on, low & behold they walked outside & found what the call was about. So there is gray area here scoots, that gray area being she 3/4's of the way did the right thing. The other 1/4 to make it right would have been to either call 911 when the baby was born (stillborn or otherwise). Instead she took it to the hospital & called from a box to make sure the staff found the poor soul.

I can't even imagine what she is going through right now.

I still need more info.
scoots

Englewood, CO

#28 Feb 29, 2008
I never said she was evil either - I said that the act of leaving the baby - either dead or alive - was wrong. Someone picked up the phone at the call box - it rang to security - then that person hung up - no one ever said a word.

“Soft Touch Hard Cover”

Since: Dec 07

Jersey

#29 Feb 29, 2008
GSXR Chick wrote:
Have you thought that maybe the baby could have been still born? Or that thay thought they were doing the right thing by dropping the baby off in front of the hospital.


Stop making excuses for pitiful human beings. The child has rights too. That baby's rights were violated. If the baby was dead then the parents had an obligation to report it not just drop it off at the hospital. It's too suspicious.

Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#30 Feb 29, 2008
scoots wrote:
I never said she was evil either - I said that the act of leaving the baby - either dead or alive - was wrong. Someone picked up the phone at the call box - it rang to security - then that person hung up - no one ever said a word.
Yes it was...some people just don't think before they do stupid things. I know that is no excuse, but it's the truth.

“Soft Touch Hard Cover”

Since: Dec 07

Jersey

#31 Feb 29, 2008
Raysmom wrote:
I don't think that anyone here is completely excusing the actions of whomever left this poor child. I am a pretty conservative gal who believes in personal responsibility. I disagree with you, however, that there is no gray area here. You, yourself, have determined a sort of gray area by claiming that they should not fry. Murder or accidental, dead is dead, so by your logic, they should fry, right? As of the news tonight, they are in contact with the mother and waiting for autopsy results to decide what to do next. If the baby was alive, she will be punished accordingly. If not, how much more can we punish this sad, frightened person who has lost so much already? She was obviously in great distress! Ever had a stillborn child, Scoots, or been SO DESPERATE that you left your baby? She didn't throw it in a dumpster, or leave it in a toilet while she went dancing. I don't think that a mild punishment and counseling if the baby was already deceased will encourage a rash of baby abandonments! There is ALWAYS gray area and room for cooler heads to prevail- see what I mean?
No, I'm sorry there is no excuse. You don't abandon a child whether they are alive or dead. Desperation, Stupidity, or Fear is not an excuse to violate a person's human rights. The baby had rights. The mother made a bad decision and when you make bad decisions ESPECIALLY when it comes to the care of another individual, there are consequences.

No excuse for abuse. No excuses for the actions of the parent. Absolutely none. Abandonment is not acceptable.

Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#32 Feb 29, 2008
JerseyPrincess wrote:
<quoted text>
Stop making excuses for pitiful human beings. The child has rights too. That baby's rights were violated. If the baby was dead then the parents had an obligation to report it not just drop it off at the hospital. It's too suspicious.
I am not making exuses, we don't know what the circumstances were. Not EVERYONE is perfect, maybe she thought she was doing the right thing.

Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#33 Feb 29, 2008
JerseyPrincess wrote:
<quoted text> No, I'm sorry there is no excuse. You don't abandon a child whether they are alive or dead. Desperation, Stupidity, or Fear is not an excuse to violate a person's human rights. The baby had rights. The mother made a bad decision and when you make bad decisions ESPECIALLY when it comes to the care of another individual, there are consequences.
No excuse for abuse. No excuses for the actions of the parent. Absolutely none. Abandonment is not acceptable.
No one is saying that there should be no consequences.
scoots

Englewood, CO

#34 Feb 29, 2008
Cheeka-Weeka wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes it was...some people just don't think before they do stupid things. I know that is no excuse, but it's the truth.
You're right, it's not an excuse, but everyone is making excuses for leaving the baby - there is no excuse for leaving the baby.

“Speak your mind.”

Since: Aug 07

Chester, SC

#35 Mar 1, 2008
I don't think there are enough details to cast blame, if any is even deserving in this situation. For all we know, the mother COULD HAVE given birth alone and the baby may have had medical problems which weren't immediately apparent. Additionally, the caller COULD HAVE called IMMEDIATELY after placing the baby in a visible place, so the death could have been no fault of the mother's and not due to the elements. But again, anything is possible.

Was leaving the baby outside the smartest or most responsible decision? Clearly not, but people often don't use their best reasoning skills when they are feeling desperate, helpless, etc. I'm not making excuses for anyone -- that's just the way things are. But I feel like the mother (or whoever took the baby to the hospital) must have had SOME feeling for the child, because it would have been "easier" to throw the baby in the trash, on the side of the road, etc. like so many others have done.

I'm eager to hear the facts to get this straightened out.
bernard yon

Dillon, SC

#36 Mar 2, 2008
Stilton Chick wrote:
WHO EVER KILLED THIS INNOCENT BABY DESERVES TO BE PUT AWAY FOR LIFE AND NOT BE LET OUT OF JAIL EVER AGAIN.
true that and her tubes tied never to be untied spread the word you feel me!!!!
bernard yon

Dillon, SC

#37 Mar 2, 2008
scoots wrote:
Whether the baby was stillborn or born alive, there's no excuse. Bad behavior is bad behavior. No need to be responsible for your actions - someone will excuse it just because ...
and bad judgement is bad judgement,there is a difference between commen sense and nonsense period.

“Does not play well with others”

Since: Apr 07

Denver, CO

#38 Mar 2, 2008
Sandy wrote:
If the baby was alive when they dropped it off, I don't know how they could think they were doing the right thing ~ we're talking Denver, CO in the middle of winter!
Probably took 5 minutes for the poor thing to freeze to death.
You have absolutely no idea that Denver isn't in the mountains, do you?

News flash, it was 60 degrees here yesterday. Denver is NOT a mountain city.

Thank god you're not in Colorado, stay in a backward, southern hick town and marry your brother. My cats are more worldly than you.

“Does not play well with others”

Since: Apr 07

Denver, CO

#39 Mar 2, 2008
Has anyone else noticed most the morons on this page are from South Carolina...and not members?

Trolls...

“Does not play well with others”

Since: Apr 07

Denver, CO

#40 Mar 2, 2008
Oh, and might I add...none of them can spell...not trying to be the typo police here, but I don't think it's coincidence that the group of people saying the same thing are all not members...from the same state, in many cases the same city...and all spell the same words wrong.

Either it's one very irritating individual, or South Carolina has a very, very poor education system...or a bit of both *grins*

“Speak your mind.”

Since: Aug 07

Chester, SC

#41 Mar 2, 2008
CAUTION wrote:
Oh, and might I add...none of them can spell...not trying to be the typo police here, but I don't think it's coincidence that the group of people saying the same thing are all not members...from the same state, in many cases the same city...and all spell the same words wrong.
Either it's one very irritating individual, or South Carolina has a very, very poor education system...or a bit of both *grins*
Let me get this straight...you "don't think it's coincidence?" Is there an article (a, an, the) shortage in Colorado? People from glass education systems shouldn't throw stones. And you're right...you SHOULDN'T be the typo police!*grins*

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