Massacre-hardened Colorado a gun control test case

Jan 10, 2013 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Athens Banner-Herald

After the annual late-summer harvest on his farm in the eastern reaches of Colorado, Greg Brophy has a few friends over, breaks out the handguns and semi-automatic rifles and mows down some rotten watermelons.

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You don't think money is misappropriated and wasted by our public school systems?
Did you know many liberals are critics of health care for profit? Do you see a slippery slope appearing before you?
If you want to look for wasted spending, there's better places to start, like the Pentagon who gets 51c of every dollar the United States spends.

I see no slippery slope in front of me at all.

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<quoted text>You don't think money is misappropriated and wasted by our public school systems?

Did you know many liberals are critics of health care for profit? Do you see a slippery slope appearing before you?
He fails to see the value in preventative approaches compared to the cost of hiring mass security and jailing troubled youth.

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Freedom of speech. Protest before anyone under secret service protection, take a ride to the slammer.
Talk from in side the bubble.

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If the jews had have had guns,..... W H U T ???!!!
History shows that even the United States was losing to Germany and Japan in WWll and would have if we hadn't dropped that nuke. But you believe that had thse Jews in Poland had a few AR-15s ...
Geeeezus!
We all know that you aren't very bright but come on Germany had already been defeated when Truman ( he was a Democrat) ordered the bomb be dropped .
Japan had already lost the war and Russia had just declared war on Japan hoping to take over parts of the Japanese empire.
On Aug. 9, 1945, three days after the bombing of Hiroshima, the United States dropped a second atomic bomb on the city of Nagasaki.

The New York Times article reported that the dropping of the bomb occurred at noon, Japanese time. It described Nagasaki as “an important industrial and shipping area with a population of about 258,000” and “a port for transshipment of military supplies and the embarkation of troops in support of Japan’s operations in China, Formosa, Southeast Asia, and the Southwest Pacific.”

In a section of the article titled “A Propaganda Front,” the Times article reports on Japan’s efforts, after the Aug. 6 bombing of Hiroshima, to influence public opinion in Europe and North America in the hope that it would stop the United States from dropping a second bomb.

Estimates suggest that the bomb killed 40,000 on the day it was dropped, and approximately 70,000 by the end of 1945.

The United States and Japan had been at war since Japanese forces bombed Pearl Harbor in December 1941. After the United States successfully detonated the world’s first atomic bomb in a July 1945 test, President Harry S. Truman and fellow Allied leaders, Josef Stalin and Clement Attlee, issued the Potsdam Declaration, an ultimatum for Japan to surrender unconditionally or face “prompt and utter destruction.”

When Japan refused to accept the terms on July 29, Truman authorized the use of the atomic bomb. On Aug. 6, the United States dropped an atomic bomb on the city of Hiroshima, destroying over 60 percent of the developed city and killing between 70,000 and 80,000.

Still, Japan refused to accept the terms of the Potsdam Declaration. On the morning of Aug. 9, the Soviet Union declared war on Japan, and then the United States dropped the bomb on Nagasaki.

After the bombing, Japan accepted the Potsdam terms and unconditionally surrendered to the United States on Aug. 14, a day known as Victory in Japan, or V-J, Day. It marked the end of World War II.

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In a letter dated December 12, 1946, President Truman explained the basis for his decision to drop the atomic bombs on Japan:

I have no qualms about it whatever for the simple reason that it was believed that the dropping of not more than two of these bombs would bring the war to a close. The Japanese in their conduct of the war had been vicious and cruel savages and I came to the conclusion that if two hundred and fifty thousand young Americans could be saved from slaughter the bomb should be dropped, and it was … he cities on which the bombs were dropped were devoted almost exclusively to the manufacture of ammunition and weapons of destruction.

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If you want to look for wasted spending, there's better places to start, like the Pentagon who gets 51c of every dollar the United States spends.
Hey, I agree with the pentagon scaling back in one sense. Screw all those socialist European (and other) countries that are protected by our military, therefore freeing up all that extra cash to hand out to their lackeys and government dependents. Let's see them spend their own money protecting themselves.

BTW, what's your source of the "51c of every dollar" claim?

According to the Office of Management and Budget, 62% is going to Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, Welfare and other entitlements.

Source: Office of Management and Budget.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb
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Barack Obama and family - armed Secret Service protection for how long...anyone? Bueller?
While we're on the first family...the Affordable (LMAO!) Health Care Act will never affect them. The Obama's will have the world's finest doctors and finest health at their disposal care for life.
#1. The Secret Service life time protection started under Bush 43 for all past or present Presidents.
#2. Of course ObamaCare will not effect Obama or his family. ObamaCare WILL NOT have an effect on any ones current Health Care Insurance. That point was made at least a hundred times over since 2008.

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<quoted text>#1. The Secret Service life time protection started under Bush 43 for all past or present Presidents.
#2. Of course ObamaCare will not effect Obama or his family. ObamaCare WILL NOT have an effect on any ones current Health Care Insurance. That point was made at least a hundred times over since 2008.
1. That's not the point. The point is being preached to about gun safety and ownership by people protected by armed guards.

2. AYFKM? What, because you libs repeat something over and over ("at least hundred times") makes it true? Wow, they've really indoctrinated you, pal.

*Two-thirds of American employees’ wages will decrease as employers deal with increasing costs of Obamacare’s.

*Obamacare's high costs will force employers to stop offering health coverage to employees, forcing them into the new government-run exchanges.

*Premiums in the individual market are set to skyrocket.

*Full-time workers are being told "part-time or no time" to avoid the employer mandate.

*Obamacare imposes 18 new taxes and penalties that will cost Americans over $836 billion between 2013 and 2022.
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1. That's not the point. The point is being preached to about gun safety and ownership by people protected by armed guards.
2. AYFKM? What, because you libs repeat something over and over ("at least hundred times") makes it true? Wow, they've really indoctrinated you, pal.
*Two-thirds of American employees’ wages will decrease as employers deal with increasing costs of Obamacare’s.
*Obamacare's high costs will force employers to stop offering health coverage to employees, forcing them into the new government-run exchanges.
*Premiums in the individual market are set to skyrocket.
*Full-time workers are being told "part-time or no time" to avoid the employer mandate.
*Obamacare imposes 18 new taxes and penalties that will cost Americans over $836 billion between 2013 and 2022.
You're wrong about ObamaCare. Under the new law 80% of ALL the insurance companies money must be spent NOW on provider payments. I know several people that have gotten refunds from last years payments because of this new law. ObamaCare has NO effect on any ones health care insurance that they may currently have. Premiums have increased on health insurance for the past 50 years in a row. Yes Premiums may continue to increase.

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does the following make me a racist?

“Blacks were disproportionately represented as both homicide victims and offenders. The victimization rate for blacks (27.8 per 100,000) was 6 times higher than the rate for whites (4.5 per 100,000). The offending rate for blacks (34.4 per 100,000) was almost 8 times higher than the rate for whites (4.5 per 100,000).”

“Males represented 77% of homicide victims and nearly 90% of offenders. The victimization rate for males (11.6 per 100,000) was 3 times higher than the rate for females (3.4 per 100,000). The offending rate for males (15.1 per 100,000) was almost 9 times higher than the rate for females (1.7 per 100,000).”

“Approximately a third (34%) of murder victims and almost half (49%) of the offenders were under age 25. For both victims and offenders, the rate per 100,000 peaked in the 18 to 24 year-old age group at 17.1 victims per 100,000 and 29.3 offenders per 100,000.”

These are all direct quotes from a United States Department of Justice report released by the Obama Administration in November of 2011.
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paul wolfowitz , Eliot Abrams , mark ciavarella , Bill Cristol , Teflon Tevlow and Gene Moss demand that the US pardon Jon Pollard , Aldrich Ames Hughes, Evabraun Hughes , BERNIE MADOFF-GOTLIEB, Tony Pelicano , Roy Cohn Raphan and Dalsimer JDL Wingnutstalker of the UU Fellowship Kibbutz....... see GOP GOMORRAH by max blumenthal.

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GhostofRaygun wrote:
<quoted text>You're wrong about ObamaCare.
No I'm not, and I won't waste time arguing about it.

There are enough facts and articles exposing the hidden fees and costs meant to price most Americans out of their chosen health insurance and into a government managed plan.

That is, after all, the left's wanted result - single payer.
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You don't think money is misappropriated and wasted by our public school systems?
Did you know many liberals are critics of health care for profit? Do you see a slippery slope appearing before you?
Liberal planning a big party for president while telling military bases gotta cut back. He's already president, why have a overpriced party while others just getting by.

Liberals worried about global warming. If truely cares, don't let that gas go to waste coming out of wells unless the film is propaganda. Put generator on the wells and use the gas they claim coming out.
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Liberal planning a big party for president while telling military bases gotta cut back. He's already president, why have a overpriced party while others just getting by.
Liberals worried about global warming. If truely cares, don't let that gas go to waste coming out of wells unless the film is propaganda. Put generator on the wells and use the gas they claim coming out.
The Inaugural Ball is paid for by ticket sales and sponsors. No tax dollars are spent on them. Stand down Repub.
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If the jews had have had guns,..... W H U T ???!!!
History shows that even the United States was losing to Germany and Japan in WWll and would have if we hadn't dropped that nuke. But you believe that had thse Jews in Poland had a few AR-15s ...
Geeeezus!
Losing to Germany before we dropped the nuke on Japan. You are so full shit! You better check your facts before you open your pie hole and prove you are stupid!!

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Okay, Germany and Japan were allies, so I made a brain fart. It happens when you don't copy paste every comment you post like some of you perfectionists.

The point remains as fact that without the nuke, the US was losing WW2.

Futhermore - the focus should be on who said Jews could have beaten Germany if they'd had a sew assault rifles.

My error won't provide enough cover for that extraordinary blunder.
more on why Mousey stinks

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Okay, Germany and Japan were allies, so I made a brain fart. It happens when you don't copy paste every comment you post like some of you perfectionists.
The point remains as fact that without the nuke, the US was losing WW2.
Futhermore - the focus should be on who said Jews could have beaten Germany if they'd had a sew assault rifles.
My error won't provide enough cover for that extraordinary blunder.
no a$$ whole it's about your complete lack of world and American history , this pretty much proves you never got past the 6th grade.
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Plans for more atomic attacks on Japan
Groves expected to have another atomic bomb ready for use on 19 August, with three more in September and a further three in October.[123] On 10 August, he sent a memorandum to Marshall in which he wrote that "the next bomb .. should be ready for delivery on the first suitable weather after 17 or 18 August." On the same day, Marshall endorsed the memo with the comment, "It is not to be released over Japan without express authority from the President."[123]
There was already discussion in the War Department about conserving the bombs in production until Operation Downfall had begun. "The problem now [13 August] is whether or not, assuming the Japanese do not capitulate, to continue dropping them every time one is made and shipped out there or whether to hold them ... and then pour them all on in a reasonably short time. Not all in one day, but over a short period. And that also takes into consideration the target that we are after. In other words, should we not concentrate on targets that will be of the greatest assistance to an invasion rather than industry, morale, psychology, and the like? Nearer the tactical use rather than other use."[123]
Two more Fat Man assemblies were readied. The third core was scheduled to leave Kirtland Field for Tinian on 12 August,[124] and Tibbets was ordered by Major General Curtis LeMay to return to Utah to collect it.[125]
Surrender of Japan and subsequent occupation
Main articles: Surrender of Japan and Occupation of Japan
Until 9 August the war council had still insisted on its four conditions for surrender. On that day Hirohito ordered Kido to "quickly control the situation ... because the Soviet Union has declared war against us." He then held an Imperial conference during which he authorized minister T&#333;g&#333; to notify the Allies that Japan would accept their terms on one condition, that the declaration "does not compromise any demand which prejudices the prerogatives of His Majesty as a Sovereign ruler."[127]
As the Allied terms seemed to leave intact the principle of the preservation of the Throne, Hirohito recorded on 14 August his capitulation announcement which was broadcast to the Japanese nation the next day despite a short rebellion by militarists opposed to the surrender.
In his declaration, Hirohito referred to the atomic bombings:
Moreover, the enemy now possesses a new and terrible weapon with the power to destroy many innocent lives and do incalculable damage. Should we continue to fight, not only would it result in an ultimate collapse and obliteration of the Japanese nation, but also it would lead to the total extinction of human civilization. Such being the case, how are We to save the millions of Our subjects, or to atone Ourselves before the hallowed spirits of Our Imperial Ancestors? This is the reason why We have ordered the acceptance of the provisions of the Joint Declaration of the Powers.] A 1944 opinion poll that asked what should be done with Japan found that 13% of the U.S. public were in favor of "killing off" all Japanese: men, women, and children.[131][132]
News of the atomic bombing was greeted enthusiastically in the U.S.; a poll in Fortune magazine in late 1945 showed a significant minority of Americans wishing that more atomic bombs could have been dropped on Japan.[133]

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It should be a test case for institutionalizing the mentally ill, not gun control:

GUNS DON'T KILL PEOPLE, THE MENTALLY ILL DO
January 16, 2013

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James Holmes, the accused Aurora, Colo., shooter, was under psychiatric care at the University of Colorado long before he shot up a movie theater. According to news reports and court filings, Holmes told his psychiatrist, Dr. Lynne Fenton, that he fantasized about killing "a lot of people," but she refused law enforcement's offer to place Holmes under confinement for 72 hours.

However, Fenton did drop Holmes as a patient after he made threats against another school psychiatrist. And after Holmes made threats against a professor, he was asked to leave campus. But he wasn't committed. People who knew he was deeply troubled just pushed him onto society to cause havoc elsewhere....
http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2013-01-16....

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