Columbine parents plead for release o...

Columbine parents plead for release of - basement tapes'

There are 138 comments on the KUSA Denver story from Apr 20, 2007, titled Columbine parents plead for release of - basement tapes'. In it, KUSA Denver reports that:

Brian Rohrbough says there is almost "no downside" to releasing the so-called basement tapes made by the two teenagers who killed his son at Columbine High School.

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eric harris forever

United States

#47 Jun 4, 2008
Sarah wrote:
Have you seen all the dedication/tribute videos there are to Eric and Dylan on youtube and myspace? There's one on youtube.com titled "Eric Harris is God". They have a strong following. The more kids see and learn about Eric and Dylan the more they want to be like them. Releasing these documents only feeds these people obsessions with them. Look at some of the comments on youtube, there are kids who literally worship Eric and Dylan, and if they saw these basement tapes they would take their obsession to the next level. There is a blogring on xanga called "Columbine cult following" go to it and read the description. It is exteremely disturbing. I strongly recommend you keep these tapes concealed because it will encourage some kids to do school shootings.
Eric Harris IS god. What are you complaining about?? Get over yourself. I am one of the obsessors you refer to and I LOVE Eric and Dylan.
Kevin

Atlanta, GA

#48 Jun 30, 2008
I am not a cop and dont plan on being one. BUT...those officers have a responsibility to PROTECT and to SERVE. They went through the training, they took the oaths. They had phone contact, and knew a teacher was bleeding to death. They also could hear the shots that were being fired INTO students bodies. To sit and wait is ridiculous, i Don't care if you don;t have the whole story, or a detailed diagram of exactly what and where it was going on (do you ever really, in any EMERGENCY). You make moves, you do SOMETHING!!! but whatever, If I was one of the officers who sat and waited I don't know how I'd live with myself....and you are ignorant for taking their back.
Judge Roy Bean

United States

#49 Jun 30, 2008
Kevin wrote:
I am not a cop and dont plan on being one. BUT...those officers have a responsibility to PROTECT and to SERVE. They went through the training, they took the oaths. They had phone contact, and knew a teacher was bleeding to death. They also could hear the shots that were being fired INTO students bodies. To sit and wait is ridiculous, i Don't care if you don;t have the whole story, or a detailed diagram of exactly what and where it was going on (do you ever really, in any EMERGENCY). You make moves, you do SOMETHING!!! but whatever, If I was one of the officers who sat and waited I don't know how I'd live with myself....and you are ignorant for taking their back.
It wasn't the street cops that decided to hide, it was the brass who ordered them to stand down. Its the brass that need to be held responsible for such a pathetic lack of leadership.

“Stop DA Ritter's Narcissism”

Since: Jun 08

Truth or Consequences

#50 Jul 1, 2008
Don't forget Columbine, the model of police.
Have some fun and power, perhaps a little adrenaline. Imagine you're doing good. Take orders from the power hungry.

“Don't like the rules?...Leave”

Level 1

Since: Mar 07

Denver, but on pause...

#51 Jul 1, 2008
Considering the FACT that NO Law Enforcement Agency in Colorado had ever dealt with an incident of this magnitude, I see no room for blaming them (the Cops)...
Now, if a similar incident were to occur today, and God forbid it were to, I assure you it would be handled much differently...The one at Platte Canyon High School is a prime example...
The main issue here is that there are only two people to be "blamed", Eric & Dylan, and they're both dead...
Let the dead bury the dead...It's time to move on...
E and D always

United States

#52 Jul 17, 2008
Sarah,
Our obsessions with E &D will never end, it will never go away.
Tapes or no tapes, they will always be people obsessed with them.
That is the never ending power of Reb and Vodka.
Though I do believe the tapes shopuld be released because they were meant to be seen and none of reb and vodkas glory and beauty should ever be hidden from the world.

“It's pronounced DAG-uth.”

Since: Jun 07

Windsor, CO

#53 Jul 17, 2008
E and D always wrote:
Sarah,
Our obsessions with E &D will never end, it will never go away.
Tapes or no tapes, they will always be people obsessed with them.
That is the never ending power of Reb and Vodka.
Though I do believe the tapes shopuld be released because they were meant to be seen and none of reb and vodkas glory and beauty should ever be hidden from the world.
Wow, you really are pathetic.

http://www.topix.com/forum/denver/TSPRVVBVC8N...
E and D Always

Roy, WA

#55 Jul 18, 2008
i feel the same way about you! isn't it nice that we could agree on something?
Dagoth wrote:
<quoted text>
Wow, you really are pathetic.
http://www.topix.com/forum/denver/TSPRVVBVC8N...

“Airborne mama on a oneway trip”

Since: Apr 08

Littlerock, Ca

#56 Jul 18, 2008
E and D Always wrote:
i feel the same way about you! isn't it nice that we could agree on something?
<quoted text>
I think you would be agreeing with him if you thought you were pathetic. Not that you think he is pathetic. I'm sure he doesn't think he is pathetic, but I could be wrong.

Level 1

Since: May 08

Lawrenceville, GA

#57 Jul 18, 2008
well, i was going to comment here, but now i'm confused after reading all these posts.

However, if someone IS holding on to evidence, they should release it. There's alot of families that need some closure here.

“It's pronounced DAG-uth.”

Since: Jun 07

Windsor, CO

#58 Jul 18, 2008
E and D Always wrote:
i feel the same way about you! isn't it nice that we could agree on something?
<quoted text>
Actually, there is something you can do for me. You can educate me on something because I'm completely failing to see why you think the way you do. Explain to me exactly WHY they did what they did. What was their message? Convince me of their argument. Take your time - you've got your work cut out for you.
E and D always

Roy, WA

#59 Jul 18, 2008
It would be a waste of both of our time.
somebody with your mindset can never understand.
not possible. you understand naturally or not at all.
i am going to post some thing for you to read though.not accurate about cassie bernall but worth looking at
eric harris forever and me are not the only people in the world who feel this way. there are thousands of us

The cult of Eric and Dylan
Independent, The (London), Jan 15, 2004 by JOHANN HARI
On the morning that Columbine High School was ripped apart by bullets and bombs, shot and planted by its own students, two cults were born. One is the cult of Cassie Bernall. She is America as the heartland wants us to see it: blonde and beautiful and a Bible- carrying believer. On April 20 1999, Eric Harris blasted his way into the Columbine library, pressed a gun to Cassie's head, smirked, and said, "Still believe in God now?" In a firm voice, she said yes. He shot her.

Within days, Christian shrines were appearing across the country to "the martyr Cassie". Her parents wrote a bestselling book, She Said Yes, which explicitly compared her to the early Christian saints who died for their faith. There are now more than 7,000 websites dedicated to her, and several churches take her name. One of America's most famous Baptist preachers lauded her as "the greatest Christian of the 20th century".

Yet Columbine spawned another cult, just as powerful for its own followers. This cult flourishes in another America, among the excluded, bullied, murderous and lost. It is the fable of Harris and Dylan Klebold as heroic avengers. Thousands of teenagers have adopted the killers as exemplars, for reasons best summarised by Mellissa Andersen, a 17-year-old girl from Iowa who runs an Eric and Dylan "fan site". She tells me: "The reason I believe Eric and Dylan were really cool to do what they did is because they stood up for themselves. Every single day they were teased, and I can relate to that. They were constantly messed with, and even though they repeatedly told people about it, they knew nothing would be done unless they took matters into their own hands. After 20 April, all of the popular kids in schools around America left the unpopular kids alone because they were afraid of another shooting at their school by someone they had teased."

As antiheroes, the "Trenchcoat Mafia" - the name high-school jocks [slang for athletic teens] gave to Eric and Dylan's gang - have the same appeal as A Clockwork Orange's Alex DeLarge, with the added potency of being real. Yahoo discussion lists with titles like "I love Eric and Dylan" have, between them, thousands of members. Websites with names such as "In Remembrance of Eric and Dylan" - and even one encouraging teens to wear "sympathy ribbons" if "you want to remember their achievement" - have received hundreds of thousands of hits.

Yet given a choice between the conformist fundamentalism of Cassie and the bullied rage of Eric and Dylan, it is horribly easy to understand why too many people have been swayed to sympathy. A number of recent novels like Douglas Coupland's Hey Nostradamus! have depicted high school massacres with a degree of understanding. In the Booker prize-winning novel Vernon God Little, DBC Pierre creates a character not dissimilar to Harris called Jesus, who is represented as a hideously abused, semi- Messianic figure who may find redemption in his murders.
This is all forgotten in the simple, mirror-image cults of Saint Cassie or Saint Dylan, each valiantly standing against the imagined evildoers on the opposing side. Rory Schmidt, a 17-year-old who posts on Eric and Dylan message boards, explains the danger of this simplistic thinking. "Unless the way high schools work in America is totally changed... unless there is a revolution in our hallways and libraries and dining halls, there are going to be more and more of us," he writes. "Eric said he was only the beginning, the first revolutionary. He was right."
eric harris forever

United States

#60 Jul 19, 2008
state RN wrote:
<quoted text> I think you would be agreeing with him if you thought you were pathetic. Not that you think he is pathetic. I'm sure he doesn't think he is pathetic, but I could be wrong.
i'm a girl you dumbass!! i don't think a guy would use my screen name!! LMAO

“It's pronounced DAG-uth.”

Since: Jun 07

Windsor, CO

#61 Jul 19, 2008
E and D always wrote:
It would be a waste of both of our time.
somebody with your mindset can never understand.
not possible. you understand naturally or not at all.
etc."
First of all, you have no idea what my mindset is. The human psyche is a complicated and dynamic thing, my friend.

Secondly, the information you posted was fascinating - for what it's worth. I still don't condone their actions, but then again, I gave birth to the 29-cent rule, so completely writing them off may be a bit hypocritical.

The question is, where do the ideals end and the anarchy begin? Take these cults, or the current running Trenchcoat Mafia population of today. Do they have distinct lines drawn that dictate their actions? For instance, can Timmy of the T.M. just walk in on a meeting one day and say, "That asshole jock John called me a dork," and the next day there's a hole in the ground where the school used to be? Or is it a cumulative thing, where all the members get together and share their combined life experiences of adversity and get each other so riled up that the same thing happens?

The thing that bothers me is that preliminary evidence revolving around why they did it suggests they simply wanted to "out-do" other catastrophic events, such as the Oklahoma City bombing. I'm sorry, but even you could probably see the flaw in that kind of logic. What's the point?

Did they carefully plan their targets? How many kids did they kill who never even talked to them? I would have a little more understanding if I knew they meticulously planned each and every target and had significant justification other than, "they picked on me." From what I've seen, they shot randomly unless the target was close enough to be personal. Doesn't seem very professional to me.

And if you really want to make a difference doing this sort of thing - you plan it well enough to get out and do it again. And don't take the easy way out by killing yourself. Get arrested and spend hours on talk shows explaining why you are the way you are.
r u on crack

Snowshoe, WV

#62 Jul 27, 2008
E and D always wrote:
Sarah,
Our obsessions with E &D will never end, it will never go away.
Tapes or no tapes, they will always be people obsessed with them.
That is the never ending power of Reb and Vodka.
Though I do believe the tapes shopuld be released because they were meant to be seen and none of reb and vodkas glory and beauty should ever be hidden from the world.
Glory and Beauty? Seems to me like your family needs to put your ass in a straight jacket, and haul you off to the nearest mental institution, and leave you there. You are sick! There is something demented about YOU AND EVERY OTHER SICK MINDED LOSER, PIECE OF TRASH LIKE YOU!!! Thats all we need, those tapes get out, and a damn twisted person like you get them, and watch them over and over, while playing with yourself, and then decide to kill your dog, cat, parents, grandparents, and whoever else you can torture. Thats a frightening thought. Does your family know that you are sick, and need help? Or do you pretend to be sane, while infront of other sane people? Just curious how that works. Since you are so in love with two DEAD DORKS, THAT NEVER KNEW YOU, PROBEBLY WOULDNT HAVE LIKED YOU, YOU MUST BE LIVING A VERY SUCKY LIFE. Let me guess, you look at their pictures a hundred times a day, have folders full of their pathedic pictures you printed off of the internet, and wish to be as just as uncool, immature, and spineless as they were.(before the pansies shot themselves)Congradulations, you are almost there. Skip the murder spree, and just put yourself out of your misery!!
Josh

Elizabethtown, KY

#63 Oct 17, 2008
they should release them i been wanting to watch them, why are the police holding tapes anyway if they shouldn't be able to do that everyone deserves to see those tapes to get a better understanding of eric and dylan seeing how they were human. and know one is killed in the tapes some people are mentioned but they can bleep the names other than that they should release them if they don't im starting a petition.
Josh

Elizabethtown, KY

#64 Oct 17, 2008
r u on crack wrote:
<quoted text>Glory and Beauty? Seems to me like your family needs to put your ass in a straight jacket, and haul you off to the nearest mental institution, and leave you there. You are sick! There is something demented about YOU AND EVERY OTHER SICK MINDED LOSER, PIECE OF TRASH LIKE YOU!!! Thats all we need, those tapes get out, and a damn twisted person like you get them, and watch them over and over, while playing with yourself, and then decide to kill your dog, cat, parents, grandparents, and whoever else you can torture. Thats a frightening thought. Does your family know that you are sick, and need help? Or do you pretend to be sane, while infront of other sane people? Just curious how that works. Since you are so in love with two DEAD DORKS, THAT NEVER KNEW YOU, PROBEBLY WOULDNT HAVE LIKED YOU, YOU MUST BE LIVING A VERY SUCKY LIFE. Let me guess, you look at their pictures a hundred times a day, have folders full of their pathedic pictures you printed off of the internet, and wish to be as just as uncool, immature, and spineless as they were.(before the pansies shot themselves)Congradulations, you are almost there. Skip the murder spree, and just put yourself out of your misery!!
Your an insecure fucking bully, in fact i'll bet your dad use to beat you,haha hope he did and as far as pansies they woulda killed your ass, and most of there followers are intellectual cause of there lack of a social status it would not be nothin for one of them not sayin name to get your ip and naturaly select your ass. think before you open your c*cksucker..
Josh

Elizabethtown, KY

#65 Oct 17, 2008
r u on crack wrote:
<quoted text>Glory and Beauty? Seems to me like your family needs to put your ass in a straight jacket, and haul you off to the nearest mental institution, and leave you there. You are sick! There is something demented about YOU AND EVERY OTHER SICK MINDED LOSER, PIECE OF TRASH LIKE YOU!!! Thats all we need, those tapes get out, and a damn twisted person like you get them, and watch them over and over, while playing with yourself, and then decide to kill your dog, cat, parents, grandparents, and whoever else you can torture. Thats a frightening thought. Does your family know that you are sick, and need help? Or do you pretend to be sane, while infront of other sane people? Just curious how that works. Since you are so in love with two DEAD DORKS, THAT NEVER KNEW YOU, PROBEBLY WOULDNT HAVE LIKED YOU, YOU MUST BE LIVING A VERY SUCKY LIFE. Let me guess, you look at their pictures a hundred times a day, have folders full of their pathedic pictures you printed off of the internet, and wish to be as just as uncool, immature, and spineless as they were.(before the pansies shot themselves)Congradulations, you are almost there. Skip the murder spree, and just put yourself out of your misery!!
She is right you know keep on the trck your going you'll end up in a library dead under a table.
MadWorld

Hyattsville, MD

#66 Nov 11, 2008
I believe in the right to freedom of information unless releasing said information will infringe in some way on the rights of others. Releasing the classified items harm no one and the excuses given to the People have been unacceptable. Such excuses have been given, such as "there will be copycats" and "there will be ghosts".

If this were the criteria for keeping every piece of material silent, then no one would have been allowed to see footage of the 9/11 attacks, period. No one would have been allowed to see footage of Al Qaeda's training camps. No one would have been allowed to see footage of Jews, gypsies, blacks, homosexuals, and the disabled being held in concentration camps under the Nazi regime during the jewish Holocaust. No one would have been allowed to see video of Seuing-Hu Cho (forgive any incorrect spelling of the Virginia Tech shooter's name) ranting about why he decided to kill more people in his spree than any other shooting in U.S. history. But yet, every American has repeatedly seen the graphic and disturbing images of thousands of people dying, planes crashing, living human beings falling and jumping from windows of skyscrapers, and landing. We have read "The Anarchist Cookbook" which is still available on Amazon.com for anyone to purchase at their will. We have watched numerous programs on television showing people how to use guns and knives, and ways to be tactical in hunting. Now, the only excuse the People have been given for keeping "the basement tapes" classified, has been "there will be ghosts" and "there will be copycats" and "we don't want people to learn to make low-quality homemade pipe bombs" (which anyone can learn with a visit to Amazon.com ).

Releasing the tapes, unedited and uncut, in their entirety, harms no one and nothing. Regardless of what type of people would want to see them, they should be released and made readily available to public access. For years, the Jefferson County Sheriff's Department has made, and continues to make, profits from selling evidence, such as the Columbine school's cafeteria footage in its entirety. Yes, even you can purchase it for only $19.99, but hurry, demand is high!(forgive my sarcasm there).

The point is freedom of information is an essential part of what we believe in this country. It would harm zero persons to see Eric Harris say "to everyone I love, I'm really sorry about all this. We did what we had to do," half an hour before the attack.

The cover-up must be ended.
Randm1

Poulsbo, WA

#67 Dec 1, 2008
What I think so many of you are forgetting is that it has been said so many times on this message board that the tapes should be released so the parents and loved ones can get "more answers". Guess what people? THERE ARE NO MORE ANSWERS. There will never be a single answer to why this happened. You wanna blame being bullied? People bully people MUCH worse then they were... they at least had each other, there are people in high school who literally had NO friends. You wanna blame music/media/all that crap? I listen to Manson, NIN, and I've watched my share of gory movies... I didn't shoot up my school. You wanna blame the way they were brought up? Kids have been beaten to almost death, and still continued life. There is NO answer. And these tapes are especially not going to give anyone anything but smut. Now the ironic thing, to tell you the truth... me, personally I wouldn't mind seeing the tapes, that's because I AM curious. And I'll admit it. But I'm not going to put up a smoke screen and say the reason why I want to watch them is to "Understand" why this happened.

That's just BS.
No disrespect to the family, but it's true.

xoxo
Rand

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