Colo. gay discrimination alleged over...

Colo. gay discrimination alleged over wedding cake

There are 57915 comments on the Denver Post story from Jun 6, 2013, titled Colo. gay discrimination alleged over wedding cake. In it, Denver Post reports that:

Engaged gay couple Dave Mullins, second from left, and Charlie Craig, left, were joined by a small group of supporters in Lakewood on Aug. 4, 2012 to protest and boycott the Masterpiece Cakeshop at 3355 S. Wadsworth Blvd. The couple went to the cake shop, and the owner turned the couple away saying he would not make them a rainbow-themed wedding ... (more)

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#2147 Jun 9, 2014
Xavier Breath wrote:
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The baker isn't being punished for his beliefs. He's being punished for his ACTIONS.
You are speaking of is NON-ACTION… What was the non-action based on? His beliefs! Government punishing Americans who believe marriage is between a husband and wife and reserves his talents for a wedding cake to husbands and wives, is unconstitutional. The baker was literally being punished for doing NOTHING, and you and your friends support this because of your desire to force your beliefs upon those you don’t believe as you.

lides

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#2148 Jun 9, 2014
Respect71 wrote:
I support "gay marriage" for what it is, and it is you who seem to feel I "offer arguments against it." That's on you, sad how you continually try to put words in my mouth that I NEVER say.
Wait for it...
Respect71 wrote:
I absolutely stand for freedom of all Americans. Again, I am not the one advocating for government punishment of those who font believe as I do, however, you are.
Do you see, how you just negated your own argument again?

Holding a religious belief is not a valid basis to ignore the law. If the country allowed people to require customers to comply to their religious moral standards in order to obtain services, it would violate the religious freedom of the customer, while also allowing the proprietor to be a law unto themselves.

Once again, you prove that you do not support same sex marriage, nor so you support actual religious freedom. You merely support free exercise so long as you agree with the beliefs of the practitioner.

Way to make a fool of yourself, Respect.

True free exercise means accepting things that you don't believe and potentially disagree with. The same is true of free speech.

In making such an argument, you make it clear that you do not believe in equality under the law, kiddo. Maybe you also believe that we should get rid of civil rights legislation that brought about desegregation?

lides

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Defiance, Ohio

#2149 Jun 9, 2014
Respect71 wrote:
You are speaking of is NON-ACTION… What was the non-action based on? His beliefs! Government punishing Americans who believe marriage is between a husband and wife and reserves his talents for a wedding cake to husbands and wives, is unconstitutional. The baker was literally being punished for doing NOTHING, and you and your friends support this because of your desire to force your beliefs upon those you don’t believe as you.
Actually, the denial of service is an action. Not only is it an action, but it is an illegal one.

The court has ruled upon this issue, and the Colorado Civil Rights Commission agreed unanimously. And, Colorado is not alone, Elaine Photography lost in court, as well as under multiple appeals, before the US Supreme Court declined to hear their case, leaving the ruling of the lower courts in tact.

Face it, kiddo, providing service to someone of differing beliefs is not an infringement of free exercise or freedom of speech.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#2150 Jun 9, 2014
lides wrote:
Face it, kiddo, providing service to someone of differing beliefs is not an infringement of free exercise or freedom of speech.
Face it, kiddo, forcing someone to participate in a gay wedding is an infringement of their 1st amendment rights. Why do you hate the constitution?
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#2151 Jun 9, 2014
lides wrote:
True free exercise means accepting things that you don't believe and potentially disagree with. The same is true of free speech.
That's false. True free exercise means that everyone has a choice. You said you were all for freedom of choice but you lied. Nothing new there.
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#2152 Jun 9, 2014
Wondering wrote:
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Face it, kiddo, forcing someone to participate in a gay wedding is an infringement of their 1st amendment rights. Why do you hate the constitution?
No one is being forced to participate in a gay wedding, so your post is moot.
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#2153 Jun 9, 2014
Wondering wrote:
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That's false. True free exercise means that everyone has a choice. You said you were all for freedom of choice but you lied. Nothing new there.
If free exercise of religion were an unlimited right, laws wouldn't even be possible.

lides

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#2154 Jun 9, 2014
Wondering wrote:
Face it, kiddo, forcing someone to participate in a gay wedding is an infringement of their 1st amendment rights. Why do you hate the constitution?
They weren't asked to "participate in a gay wedding," moron, they were asked to bake a cake...

Do you see the difference? Of course, you don't, you are a moron.
Wondering wrote:
That's false. True free exercise means that everyone has a choice. You said you were all for freedom of choice but you lied. Nothing new there.
Sorry, moron.

My ability to freely wave my fist ends at the tip of your nose...

Which is to say that my free exercise ends where yours begins. No one was forcing the baker to marry someone of the same sex. He has the right to hold his beliefs, but not to project them onto others.

Were you not a moron, you would understand.

Your child-like view of the world is terribly amusing, stupid person.
Hypocrite

Dalton, MA

#2155 Jun 9, 2014
lides wrote:
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Christians and Catholics are discriminated against all the time Dogboy. And how hypocritical of morons like you and your legion disgracing the Olympics and Russia in the past year. The gay mafia continues to attack Putin yet neglegt the Mideast nations who continually arrest gays, more recently in Kuwait. Our "Ally, Dogboy.
:o)
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#2156 Jun 9, 2014
lides wrote:
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They weren't asked to "participate in a gay wedding," moron, they were asked to bake a cake...
By doing so they were participating. I don't expect you to understand. It's grown up stuff.
I'll pass on the rest of your reply, I'm sure it's just more of your same old BS.
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#2157 Jun 9, 2014
Wondering wrote:
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By doing so they were participating. I don't expect you to understand.
Selling someone a product is not participating in its use.

If a gun shop owner sells someone a gun, and the customer commits a murder, the shop owner is not charged as an accomplice for "participating" in the shooting.

If a cashier sells a pack of condoms to a man, and that man has sex with another woman later than night, the cashier does not become a "participant" in a three-way.
Wondering wrote:
It's grown up stuff.
It's idiot stuff.

lides

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Defiance, Ohio

#2158 Jun 9, 2014
Wondering wrote:
By doing so they were participating.
Sorry, kiddo, were you to understand grown up stuff, you might understand that they were breaking the law. A court found as much, and the civil rights board unanimously upheld the ruling. Now, clearly their jurisdiction does not match your own (in your own mind), but the reality remains that they have jurisdiction and you do not.
Were you not an idiot, you might understand.
Wondering wrote:
I don't expect you to understand. It's grown up stuff.
I wouldn't expect you to understand grown up stuff. Actually, you are so stupid, I wouldn't even expect you to understand that which might be grown up stuff on sight.
Wondering wrote:
I'll pass on the rest of your reply, I'm sure it's just more of your same old BS.
Wondering, the interesting this is that I read an respond to you non-sense. It is non-sense, but I respond to it none the less.

That you dismiss much of the substance of my response says more about you than anything else.

In addition to being bigoted, and stupid, you are also lazy.
Arch

Arvada, CO

#2159 Jun 9, 2014
This is why gays get the sissy crybaby rap they deserve. Really your going to force someone to make something against their will. Wouldn't that cake have a bad aura or something like that? Maybe some secret sauces?
You would rather the cooks keep thier biases to themselves and smile and take your gay money and make your damn gay cake and do something behind your back, instead of facing you like a man and saying NO? Ok suit yourself.

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#2160 Jun 10, 2014
lides wrote:
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Wait for it...
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Do you see, how you just negated your own argument again?
Holding a religious belief is not a valid basis to ignore the law. If the country allowed people to require customers to comply to their religious moral standards in order to obtain services, it would violate the religious freedom of the customer, while also allowing the proprietor to be a law unto themselves.
Once again, you prove that you do not support same sex marriage, nor so you support actual religious freedom. You merely support free exercise so long as you agree with the beliefs of the practitioner.
Way to make a fool of yourself, Respect.
True free exercise means accepting things that you don't believe and potentially disagree with. The same is true of free speech.
In making such an argument, you make it clear that you do not believe in equality under the law, kiddo. Maybe you also believe that we should get rid of civil rights legislation that brought about desegregation?
“Do you see, how you just negated your own argument again?” Not at all... Gays can “gay marry” and those who believe in traditional marriage don’t get punished by government... Your logic is bias to your side alone. How YOU feel about it is YOUR choice.

“Maybe you also believe that we should get rid of civil rights legislation that brought about desegregation?” I am not the one supporting punishment of Americans who don’t believe the same as you.

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#2161 Jun 10, 2014
lides wrote:
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Actually, the denial of service is an action. Not only is it an action, but it is an illegal one.
The court has ruled upon this issue, and the Colorado Civil Rights Commission agreed unanimously. And, Colorado is not alone, Elaine Photography lost in court, as well as under multiple appeals, before the US Supreme Court declined to hear their case, leaving the ruling of the lower courts in tact.
Face it, kiddo, providing service to someone of differing beliefs is not an infringement of free exercise or freedom of speech.
They agreed by ignoring the law in favor of yours and their agenda. Sad but true.
Your goal of putting a baker out of business because he didn’t believe the same as you is achieved.

lides

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#2162 Jun 10, 2014
Respect71 wrote:
“Do you see, how you just negated your own argument again?” Not at all...
Actually, you did exactly that. You claim one thing, but then immediately try to pursue an exemption that would exclude those of religion from having to follow the law.

Some would call that hypocrisy.
Respect71 wrote:
Gays can “gay marry” and those who believe in traditional marriage don’t get punished by government...
They only get punished if they break the law, kiddo.
Respect71 wrote:
Your logic is bias to your side alone.
Sorry, kiddo, I support everyone's rights. Providing a service for someone with diverging views does not violate anyone's constitutional rights.
Respect71 wrote:
How YOU feel about it is YOUR choice.
Of course, I am not trying to discriminate against anyone. That is the difference.
Respect71 wrote:
“Maybe you also believe that we should get rid of civil rights legislation that brought about desegregation?” I am not the one supporting punishment of Americans who don’t believe the same as you.
Sorry, kiddo, anti discrimination laws have regularly been upheld as constitutional, and providing a service for someone with differing beliefs does not violate ANY constitutional right.

Grow up.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#2163 Jun 10, 2014
lides wrote:
Sorry, kiddo, I support everyone's rights.
Liar, liar, pants on fire!

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#2164 Jun 10, 2014
Wondering wrote:
Liar, liar, pants on fire!
Wondering, it's funny how you offer playground taunts as you fail to address the topic at hand on any level.

Were you not a moron, perhaps your performance would be better?
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#2165 Jun 10, 2014
lides wrote:
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Wondering, it's funny how you offer playground taunts
It's so you can understand me.

lides

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Defiance, Ohio

#2166 Jun 10, 2014
Wondering wrote:
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It's so you can understand me.
No, it's because you are a half wit.

Tell me, moron, how is that hunt for a compelling governmental interest served by denying same sex couples equality under the law to marry going?

A more intelligent individual would be able to offer a substantive argument rather than playground taunts.

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