Colo. gay discrimination alleged over...

Colo. gay discrimination alleged over wedding cake

There are 57562 comments on the Denver Post story from Jun 6, 2013, titled Colo. gay discrimination alleged over wedding cake. In it, Denver Post reports that:

Engaged gay couple Dave Mullins, second from left, and Charlie Craig, left, were joined by a small group of supporters in Lakewood on Aug. 4, 2012 to protest and boycott the Masterpiece Cakeshop at 3355 S. Wadsworth Blvd. The couple went to the cake shop, and the owner turned the couple away saying he would not make them a rainbow-themed wedding ... (more)

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#828 Jan 19, 2014
Respect71 wrote:
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Really? More intellectual dishonesty.
So you are saying that religious freedom (being free from religious persecution) isn't one of the big reasons the Puritans came here?

You are claiming I lied when I pointed out that under the banner of religious freedom the Puritans banned Christmas? That is part of the History we share.
When Christmas Was Banned in Boston
http://historyofmassachusetts.org/when-christ...

You are claiming that religion wasn't a factor in denying blacks service and is still used to justify racism??
East Texas Church Still Misuses the Bible to Justify Racist Ideology
http://tfninsider.org/2013/04/29/east-texas-c...

The law says what he did is illegal.
The intellectual dishonesty is yours not mine.

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#829 Jan 19, 2014
Wondering wrote:
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Because it's a 'fundamental right.'
BWAHAHAHAHA!
14 Supreme Court Cases: Marriage is a Fundamental Right
http://www.afer.org/blog/14-supreme-court-cas...

You're welcome.

BWAHAHAHAHA!

(P.S. are you related to Kimare?)

BWAHAHAHAHA!

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#831 Jan 19, 2014
Respect71 wrote:
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Another slit in the fiber of the American constitution in the name of political correctness. More government forcing Christians to deny their own beliefs!
Please explain why you feel it's OK for Churches to deny a person their religious freedom as is the case in the ministers facing action for presiding over SSM but it's OK for some baker to break civil laws?

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#832 Jan 19, 2014
@ Respect71:

Why is it OK for a church to deny religious freedom but it's not OK for a government to put limits on religious freedom? Intellectual dishonesty?

Religious freedom doesn't give you a get out of jail free card if you deny service to a black person.

Using your logic anyone can claim religious freedom to ignore any law they wish.

Intellectual dishonesty?

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#833 Jan 19, 2014
d pantz wrote:
too bad most discrimination is ignored unless its a non issue like marriage equality. If the government were truly "neutral on the subject of religion" as you word it, they wouldn't recognize any marriage.
The government recognizes marriages performed by every religion, as long as the marriage is licensed. The government also recognizes those marriages that aren't blessed by deities and their officiants, civil officials are allowed to perform them, as are many other individuals who have gone through process of becoming a registered officiant. Neutrality means all religions are either all in or all out as a group, because all religions share the exact same rights, no matter what their respective adherents believe. It's why the state capitol in Oklahokie may become home to a statue depicting Satan on His throne with two cute kids staring at him in adoration and it is interactive, it's designed so you can sit on His lap for contemplation. It's what they get for allowing a decidedly Christian group to erect a monument dedicated to God and His 10 Commandments. Either ALL religions get to erect monuments to their lawgivers on the grounds of the state outhouse/capitol, or NONE of them do.

Your so-called non-issue, you need not worry your empty little head, it will all be over soon. there's already one case automatically eligible for the Supreme Court's in basket, if the Missouri Supreme Court ruling is appealed and there are so many federal cases heading that way that I've lost count, 2014 will not be your year. Cross state recognition is a given, the only thing up in the air is whether the court will put the states out of their misery when it comes to in state performance of them by way of Loving v Virginia, or just kill their amendments and leave them at the mercy of their people and courts by way of Rohmer v Evans. Which brings us right back to our baker, if it weren't for Rohmer, he wouldn't be in this particular pickle.

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#834 Jan 19, 2014
Respect71 wrote:
Another slit in the fiber of the American constitution in the name of political correctness. More government forcing Christians to deny their own beliefs!
Didn't Jesus teach y'all to render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's? The public square, that is Caesar's and your right to practice what you preach in it is not an absolute one. It can be limited if there is a compelling interest of the state served by doing so. Preventing discrimination like this in the public square, whether it is being blamed on God or not, just such an interest. Believing God blesses your beliefs does not and should not excuse you violating the civil rights of others, it's why there hasn't been a different ending to any of these cases, anywhere. The God given right to do unto others **** like this, isn't in the Constitution, nor should it be.

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#835 Jan 19, 2014
Xstain Fumblementalist wrote:
<quoted text>It's not a theocracy, you freeek. People don't get to re write civil laws so they can discriminate in places of public accommodation just because they claim some "religious" belief or other. And that doesn't mere go for talibangelicals or Christians. That goes for members of every religion.

And these fundie mongoloids don't follow their own beliefs, anyway. They pick and choose, according to their psychologically based whims. These fundies are severely deluded and deranged.
...

The consequence of a free society is there are always people like you.

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#836 Jan 19, 2014
Xavier Breath wrote:
<quoted text>They were refused a public accommodation on the basis of their sexual orientation. That is a violation of State law. I don't know how to make it any clearer.
Then start prosecuting different churches that won't marry them because they are gay.

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#837 Jan 19, 2014
Xavier Breath wrote:
<quoted text>The government didn't force the stupid 'christians' to go into business, did they? If someone wishes to go into business, they play by the rules. The government didn't force anyone to deny their beliefs. They forced them to FOLLOW THE LAW.
Apparently you need to ready the first amendment.

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#838 Jan 19, 2014
Xavier Breath wrote:
<quoted text>Evidently you should get a refund from that law school you attended.
You are a fatality of public school.

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#839 Jan 19, 2014
Xavier Breath wrote:
<quoted text>Comparing imaginary "broken laws" at pride events with OVERT discrimination in matters of public accommodation???
Imaginary? That is why you're ignorant. You let this baker get prosecuted the next step it to shut down gay pride.

Your to bias to be an American.

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#840 Jan 19, 2014
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>The couples right to be treated with dignity, respect and equality under State Public accommodations laws were denied. The baker was able to exercise his religious right to be a fool.

Nice to see you defend scofflaws. I'll remember that next time you whine about someone breaking the law.

Now that I think about it why are you whining about his religious rights and the law when you don't think the laws should be applied to him?

It's hysterical watching you cry about laws being upheld while you cry about laws being ignored.LMAO!
Shut down gay pride then... Numerous indecency and disorderly conduct laws are broken during these events. Even with a permit granting exceptions means government is granting special rights. Talk about hypocrisy... So you either stand for right for ALL Americans or you push your gay agenda.

I choose to support gay pride events and idiot balers who only sell wedding cakes to man woman couples.

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#841 Jan 19, 2014
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>What a load of crap.

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE explain how this person was denied his right to practice his beliefs.

Did his beliefs say he couldn't bake the cake? Yup
Was he forced to bake the cake? Nope?
Did he freely exercise his beliefs? YES
Has he since been denied his right to believe as he wants?
NOPE

IOW you're full of crap.

The baker did what he wanted based on his beliefs. To claim he didn't get to do so is lying.
Jail and fines... Sad you're so full of hate that you would prosecute an idiot for his personal beliefs.

Step back. You're only pissed because you know I'm right.

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#842 Jan 19, 2014
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>Please explain why you feel it's OK for Churches to deny a person their religious freedom as is the case in the ministers facing action for presiding over SSM but it's OK for some baker to break civil laws?
The first amendment.

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#843 Jan 19, 2014
DNF wrote:
@ Respect71:

Why is it OK for a church to deny religious freedom but it's not OK for a government to put limits on religious freedom? Intellectual dishonesty?

Religious freedom doesn't give you a get out of jail free card if you deny service to a black person.

Using your logic anyone can claim religious freedom to ignore any law they wish.

Intellectual dishonesty?
If the black person is gay and the baker believes the wedding cake is a symptom of a man woman relationship. Them yes.

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#844 Jan 19, 2014
Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>Didn't Jesus teach y'all to render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's? The public square, that is Caesar's and your right to practice what you preach in it is not an absolute one. It can be limited if there is a compelling interest of the state served by doing so. Preventing discrimination like this in the public square, whether it is being blamed on God or not, just such an interest. Believing God blesses your beliefs does not and should not excuse you violating the civil rights of others, it's why there hasn't been a different ending to any of these cases, anywhere. The God given right to do unto others **** like this, isn't in the Constitution, nor should it be.
I thought you were done with me?

When you can explain why it's okay to break laws at gay pride events then maybe we can talk more about constitutional rights for ALL Americans and not just lgbt people.
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#845 Jan 19, 2014
Respect71 wrote:
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Then start prosecuting different churches that won't marry them because they are gay.
Hey mongoloid, houses of worship aren't places of public accommodation. They are allowed to discriminate in many contexts.

Unless they rent out a banquet hall to the general public - for that, then, they can't discriminate.

You stupid bigot-trash.
Xstain Fumblementalist

Philadelphia, PA

#846 Jan 19, 2014
Respect71 wrote:
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The consequence of a free society is there are always people like you.
That doesn't speak to the issue, you jeeesus nutcase.

This isn't a theocracy. The principle of business owners not being able to discriminate has been clear for decades...which is about how far behind the culture your stupid, backwater mentality is. Business owners are still allowed to not like black people, or women, or the disabled - they're free to hate - they just can't discriminate.

Although I'd love to see a Unitarian business throw some fundie cranks out of her business for reasons of "religious" belief. Then we'd hear a different tune about all this from the fundie scum.

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#847 Jan 19, 2014
Xstain Fumblementalist wrote:
<quoted text>Hey mongoloid, houses of worship aren't places of public accommodation. They are allowed to discriminate in many contexts.

Unless they rent out a banquet hall to the general public - for that, then, they can't discriminate.

You stupid bigot-trash.
Lol... Keep talking in sure you will win hearts of Americans left and right very soon.

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#848 Jan 19, 2014
Xstain Fumblementalist wrote:
<quoted text>That doesn't speak to the issue, you jeeesus nutcase.

This isn't a theocracy. The principle of business owners not being able to discriminate has been clear for decades...which is about how far behind the culture your stupid, backwater mentality is. Business owners are still allowed to not like black people, or women, or the disabled - they're free to hate - they just can't discriminate.

Although I'd love to see a Unitarian business throw some fundie cranks out of her business for reasons of "religious" belief. Then we'd hear a different tune about all this from the fundie scum.
It is the issue. Since you're only willing to guard your own then you can't see it. It's not a surprise.

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