Colo. gay discrimination alleged over...

Colo. gay discrimination alleged over wedding cake

There are 34774 comments on the Denver Post story from Jun 6, 2013, titled Colo. gay discrimination alleged over wedding cake. In it, Denver Post reports that:

Engaged gay couple Dave Mullins, second from left, and Charlie Craig, left, were joined by a small group of supporters in Lakewood on Aug. 4, 2012 to protest and boycott the Masterpiece Cakeshop at 3355 S. Wadsworth Blvd. The couple went to the cake shop, and the owner turned the couple away saying he would not make them a rainbow-themed wedding ... (more)

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#2962 Aug 4, 2014
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
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Frankie has an argument. You don't. LMAO
how's your polygamous goat doing?
Frankie Rizzo

Hayward, CA

#2963 Aug 4, 2014
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>how's your polygamous goat doing?
I didn't bring up goats, liar. Sheeple did.
Frankie Rizzo

Hayward, CA

#2964 Aug 4, 2014
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>Are you familiar with the law there?
Colorado Law prohibits discrimination in places of public accommodation based on certain protected classes (characteristics). Examples of prohibited discriminatory practices include: terms of service; denial of full and equal service; intimidation; failure to accommodate; access; conditions; privileges; advertising; and retaliation. A place of public accommodation can be a: bar; restaurant; financial institution; school or educational institution; health club; theater; hospital; museum or zoo; hotel or motel; public club; retail store; medical clinic; public transportation; nursing home; recreational facility or park; and library.
Colorado law prohibits discrimination in places of public accommodation based on actual or perceived sexual orientation. By legal definition, sexual orientation means heterosexuality, homosexuality (lesbian or gay), bisexuality, and transgender status. Transgender status means a gender indentity or gender expression that differs from societal expectations based on gender assigned at birth.
Title II of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 prohibits discrimination because of race, color, religion, or national origin in certain places of public accommodation, such as hotels, restaurants, and places of entertainment. The Department of Justice can bring a lawsuit under Title II when there is reason to believe that a person has engaged in a pattern or practice of discrimination in violation of Title II. The Department can obtain injunctive, but not monetary, relief in such cases. Individuals can also file suit to enforce their rights under Title II and other federal and state statutes may also provide remedies for discrimination in places of public accommodation.
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why DO YOU WANT TO MAKE RELIGIOUS DISCRIMINATION LEGAL?
AND IF THE BAKER REALLY OBJECTS TO HOMOSEXUALITY BECAUSE OF HIS RELIGION WHY IS HE SELLING STUFF TO GAYS AND LESBIANS?
answer: money ego and the media
Relax Fruitloops.

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#2965 Aug 4, 2014
Kitty Hawk wrote:
<quoted text> So not selling a cake is discrimination?
Shall we discuss divorce stats from heterosexuals and how they deny a child a father or mother?

http://www.children-and-divorce.com/children-...

50% of all North-American children will witness the divorce of their parents. Almost half of them will also see the breakup of a parent's second marriage.

40% of children growing up in America today are being raised without their fathers.

Studies in 1980 - 1981 uncovered that children in repeat divorces got lower results at school. The other children of their age rated them as less pleasant to be around.

Teenage children of divorce are three times more likely (35% instead of 13%) to need psychological help within a given year.
Frankie Rizzo

Hayward, CA

#2966 Aug 4, 2014
DNF wrote:
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Shall we discuss divorce stats from heterosexuals and how they deny a child a father or mother?
http://www.children-and-divorce.com/children-...
50% of all North-American children will witness the divorce of their parents. Almost half of them will also see the breakup of a parent's second marriage.
40% of children growing up in America today are being raised without their fathers.
Studies in 1980 - 1981 uncovered that children in repeat divorces got lower results at school. The other children of their age rated them as less pleasant to be around.
Teenage children of divorce are three times more likely (35% instead of 13%) to need psychological help within a given year.
We have limited data but all studies of late show that gay men divorce slightly less than straight men. And that lesbians divorce way more than straight men or gay men. And polygamists gay divorce the least.

But we cannot and should not deny marriage equality based on who divorces most.

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#2967 Aug 5, 2014
The_Box wrote:
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This has nothing to do with slavery in the Bible. You're avoiding the topic.
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It wouldn't make sense to anyone: it's incoherent.
What's 2+2?
"Green."
Huh? That doesn't make any sense.
"It doesn't make sense to you."
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Slavery is relationship?
“This has nothing to do with slavery in the Bible. You're avoiding the topic.” You’re avoiding the Bible.

“It wouldn't make sense to anyone: it's incoherent.” When you read more than one verse from the Bible you may understand.

“Slavery is relationship?” Do you have a best friend? How is your relationship with that friend? How do you treat your friend? Do you do anything to help you friend? Is that serving your friend? Why would you do that? Would you ever deny your friend help (service)? Why?

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#2968 Aug 5, 2014
The_Box wrote:
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Again, he did. He would have sold an identical cake to a straight couple.
You only support religion-based discrimination when it's your religion. When it's someone else's religion, that's wrong.
“Again, he did. He would have sold an identical cake to a straight couple.” Because that institution has a husband and a wife, and that’s the institution he chooses to support and participate in.

“You only support religion-based discrimination when it's your religion. When it's someone else's religion, that's wrong.” Government forcing an American to use their talent to support and participate in a institution they don’t believe in is un-Constitutional.

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#2969 Aug 5, 2014
The_Box wrote:
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I've read plenty more than one verse. I'm trying to focus on one verse so you can't weasel out of the discussion.
You can bring in other verses if you believe they change the meaning of Leviticus 25:44 to be something other than pro-slavery.
But you won't. Because it's pro-slavery and YOU KNOW IT.
If the Bible is “pro-slavery” then why did the Christians head the movement to abolish slavery?
Now your “secular value” of logic is failing you, perhaps because of your lack of knowledge.

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#2970 Aug 5, 2014
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>Respect71 wrote:
<quoted text>I don’t know who “Lides” is, but traditional marriage and “gay marriage” are not equal... If they were equal we wouldn’t be having this discussion..
Eat your words!
I am honest on ALL points… So why do you state lies?

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#2971 Aug 5, 2014
The_Box wrote:
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Educated? Not everyone puts blinders on like you do. I bet you weren't even aware of Leviticus 25:44 until I brought it up.
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So therefore, it's easy to determine how certain values (freedom, knowledge, compassion, hard work, safety, non-violence, etc) produce societies that are better than other values (totalitarianism, violence, oppression, superstition, faith, etc).
“Educated?” Blatantly ignorant and lacking reality.

“Not everyone puts blinders on like you do. I bet you weren't even aware of Leviticus 25:44 until I brought it up.” The blinders are yours in that you can’t read past one verse and understand anything more than that.

“So therefore, it's easy to determine how certain values (freedom, knowledge, compassion, hard work, safety, non-violence, etc) produce societies that are better than other values (totalitarianism, violence, oppression, superstition, faith, etc).” Hysterical that you have “faith” in that list… Yet, more evidence of your grasp of reality.

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#2972 Aug 5, 2014
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>with any luck they can combine their love of gold with their love of God and get rich just like a lot of other media Christians.
BTW if being gay or lesbian is against their religious beliefs, you still haven't explained why they were happy to take gay dollars on the side by selling other items that could be used in weddings???
First, I’m sorry you feel so hatful towards Christians…

It’s not about taking “gay dollar “, it’s about using one’s talents to support and participate in an institution that he/she doesn’t believe in.

Moreover, it’s about the government forcing an American to support and participate in something he/she doesn’t believe in… It’s not okay.

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#2973 Aug 5, 2014
DNF wrote:
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Shall we discuss divorce stats from heterosexuals and how they deny a child a father or mother?
http://www.children-and-divorce.com/children-...
50% of all North-American children will witness the divorce of their parents. Almost half of them will also see the breakup of a parent's second marriage.
40% of children growing up in America today are being raised without their fathers.
Studies in 1980 - 1981 uncovered that children in repeat divorces got lower results at school. The other children of their age rated them as less pleasant to be around.
Teenage children of divorce are three times more likely (35% instead of 13%) to need psychological help within a given year.
So therefore what?
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#2974 Aug 5, 2014
Respect71 wrote:
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“This has nothing to do with slavery in the Bible. You're avoiding the topic.” You’re avoiding the Bible.
Wrong. You're perfectly free to reference the Bible in trying to explain why god supported slavery.
Respect71 wrote:
“Slavery is relationship?” Do you have a best friend? How is your relationship with that friend? How do you treat your friend? Do you do anything to help you friend? Is that serving your friend? Why would you do that? Would you ever deny your friend help (service)? Why?
Yes, I understand what a relationship is, Respect.

Tell me why supporting slavery is relevant to the relationship between the Hebrews and their god.
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#2975 Aug 5, 2014
Respect71 wrote:
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“Again, he did. He would have sold an identical cake to a straight couple.” Because that institution has a husband and a wife, and that’s the institution he chooses to support and participate in.
The reason doesn't matter. He discriminated.
Respect71 wrote:
“You only support religion-based discrimination when it's your religion. When it's someone else's religion, that's wrong.” Government forcing an American to use their talent to support and participate in a institution they don’t believe in is un-Constitutional.
So you support all forms of discrimination being legal then. That's nice.
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#2976 Aug 5, 2014
Respect71 wrote:
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If the Bible is “pro-slavery” then why did the Christians head the movement to abolish slavery?
Basic human compassion.

If the Bible isn't pro-slavery, then why does it promote slavery?
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#2977 Aug 5, 2014
Respect71 wrote:
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“Educated?” Blatantly ignorant and lacking reality.
That describes you very well. You don't even know your own holy book. That's sad.
Respect71 wrote:
“So therefore, it's easy to determine how certain values (freedom, knowledge, compassion, hard work, safety, non-violence, etc) produce societies that are better than other values (totalitarianism, violence, oppression, superstition, faith, etc).” Hysterical that you have “faith” in that list… Yet, more evidence of your grasp of reality.
Of course it belongs in that list. Religious faith is irrational.

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#2978 Aug 5, 2014
The_Box wrote:
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Wrong. You're perfectly free to reference the Bible in trying to explain why god supported slavery.
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Yes, I understand what a relationship is, Respect.
Tell me why supporting slavery is relevant to the relationship between the Hebrews and their god.
Who do you serve?

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#2979 Aug 5, 2014
The_Box wrote:
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The reason doesn't matter. He discriminated.
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So you support all forms of discrimination being legal then. That's nice.
The reason does matter… And the fact that he doesn’t discriminate against gays matters… And it matters the you and your kind want to force him (through government) to support and participate in an Institution that he doesn’t believe in.

You said one of your “secular values” was freedom, or is it like knowledge for you… Just to say it and not practice it?

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#2980 Aug 5, 2014
The_Box wrote:
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Basic human compassion.
If the Bible isn't pro-slavery, then why does it promote slavery?
Human’s lack compassion by their very nature… Otherwise the world would be a much different place… Christian values are what caused the abolition movement, and History supports that assertion.

The Bible doesn’t “promote slavery” and again, history shows Christian-Judeo Values are a major force for good in this world.

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#2981 Aug 5, 2014
The_Box wrote:
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That describes you very well. You don't even know your own holy book. That's sad.
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Of course it belongs in that list. Religious faith is irrational.
LOL… Unlike you who reads one verse and claims “knowledge” is a “secular value” you adhere to, yet…

It’s as “irrational” as “secular values” that “They don't "come" from anywhere;” Your “secular value” of knowledge is so strong it causes your to read and understand the entire Bible because your “secular values”, They don't "come" from anywhere;”… That’s the definition of irrational.

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