Colo. gay discrimination alleged over wedding cake

Jun 6, 2013 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Denver Post

Engaged gay couple Dave Mullins, second from left, and Charlie Craig, left, were joined by a small group of supporters in Lakewood on Aug. 4, 2012 to protest and boycott the Masterpiece Cakeshop at 3355 S. Wadsworth Blvd. The couple went to the cake shop, and the owner turned the couple away saying he would not make them a rainbow-themed wedding ... (more)

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So whats all the fuss did you find a pubic hair in your cake? Keep it as evidence and sue the s.o.b. baker for everything ruin his lively hood 10 years in prison doing hard time should be sufficient.
Have the Law in Colorado changed- good luck :)
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Elldwinia wrote:
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So whats all the fuss did you find a pubic hair in your cake? Keep it as evidence and sue the s.o.b. baker for everything ruin his lively hood 10 years in prison doing hard time should be sufficient.
INSUFFICIENT!
Just Kidding -- You're being extreme - and your ability to be educated is being disrupted by the very website we're using right now.
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So whats all the fuss did you find a pubic hair in your cake? Keep it as evidence and sue the s.o.b. baker for everything ruin his lively hood 10 years in prison doing hard time should be sufficient.

6. If Phillips loses the case and refuses to comply with the order, he would face fines of $500 per case and up to a year in jail, his attorney said"
7. gotta find that commerce law if it exists
.....nooo rest for the wicked...
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Colorado Law prohibits discrimination in places of public accommodation based on certain protected classes (characteristics). Examples of prohibited discriminatory practices include: terms of service; denial of full and equal service; intimidation; failure to accommodate; access; conditions; privileges; advertising; and retaliation. A place of public accommodation can be a: bar; restaurant; financial institution; school or educational institution; health club; theater; hospital; museum or zoo; hotel or motel; public club; retail store; medical clinic; public transportation; nursing home; recreational facility or park; and library.
Colorado law prohibits discrimination in places of public accommodation based on actual or perceived sexual orientation. By legal definition, sexual orientation means heterosexuality, homosexuality (lesbian or gay), bisexuality, and transgender status. Transgender status means a gender indentity or gender expression that differs from societal expectations based on gender assigned at birth.

Guess "Respect" has 'no respect' for the law. Just like the baker."
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NEWS FLASH THE SS COUPLE AND THE BAKER HAVE COME TO A MUTUAL AGREEMENT Reported ::: Baker baked the SS couple a ten tier wedding brownie cake, shook hands hugged and everyone lived happily ever after ~THE END~
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LAW!
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guess not.
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It's nice to just be able to play here instead of hate n argue :)
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GOT IT!!
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In the end, the baker made a huge chocolate log cake for the happy couple. He presented it to them with these words; "Here ya go fellas, and if'n you home Boyz don't like it, ya can stick it up yer azzes."
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The baker served gays out of his bakery for years, showing that he doesn’t discriminate based on sexual orientation, but he does when it comes to the institution of marriage.
And the court soundly rejected that argument as "a distinction without a difference."

"The salient feature distinguishing same-sex weddings from heterosexual ones is the sexual orientation of its participants. Only same-sex couples engage in same-sex weddings. Therefore, it makes little sense to argue that refusal to provide a cake to a same-sex couple for use at their wedding is not “because of” their sexual orientation."

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"However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance."
Leviticus 25:44
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Where's your rebuttal? It's missing. You keep saying I'm in error but you never correct it. "You're wrong" isn't a response. Try "You're wrong, because ________."
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Humanity is the primary justification for slavery? This sentence doesn't make any sense. It's like saying "The color of that truck is four." Humanity isn't a justification.
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No, the clear support in the Bible for slavery is the Christian justification.
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You stole this text from wikipedia. That's very dishonest.
The early Christian-based movements towards abolition were small, and remained opposed by other Christians.
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The difference speaks for itself? You're such a coward. You can't answer anything so you just repeat the same garbage over and over.
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What quote? If you had, I’m sure it was one verse that you use out of context of the entire Bible, which is what many misguided people do.
"However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance."
Leviticus 25:44
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“primary justification by American slaveowners, who were Christians.” Again you need a history class.
Where's your rebuttal? It's missing. You keep saying I'm in error but you never correct it. "You're wrong" isn't a response. Try "You're wrong, because ________."
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“How so? Were American slaveowners not Christians? Did they not appeal to the Bible as support for slavery?” Humanity is the primary justification for slavery.
Humanity is the primary justification for slavery? This sentence doesn't make any sense. It's like saying "The color of that truck is four." Humanity isn't a justification.
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Just because Christians participated never made it a Christian justification.
No, the clear support in the Bible for slavery is the Christian justification.
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“Simple: slavery contradicts secular values of freedom and compassion. Abolitionism picked up in the 18th century after the Enlightenment. Christians had been practicing slavery for 1500+ years by then - clearly Christianity wasn't much of an influence on stopping the practice.” You have a very poor understand of history. The abolitionist movement started in the 17th by Quakers and evangelical religious groups (CHRISTIANS) who condemned slavery as un-Christian. Then in the 18th century, abolition was part of the message of the First Great Awakening in the Thirteen Colonies which was a CHRISTIAN movement, and a short time after the rational thinkers of the Enlightenment claim slavery violate the rights of man.
You stole this text from wikipedia. That's very dishonest.

The early Christian-based movements towards abolition were small, and remained opposed by other Christians.
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“You haven't said any difference!” Didn’t need to as the difference speaks for itself and you act as though there is none. I’m sure your ignorance bodes well for you in your circles.
The difference speaks for itself? You're such a coward. You can't answer anything so you just repeat the same garbage over and over.

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"However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance."
Leviticus 25:44
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Where's your rebuttal? It's missing. You keep saying I'm in error but you never correct it. "You're wrong" isn't a response. Try "You're wrong, because ________."
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Humanity is the primary justification for slavery? This sentence doesn't make any sense. It's like saying "The color of that truck is four." Humanity isn't a justification.
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No, the clear support in the Bible for slavery is the Christian justification.
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You stole this text from wikipedia. That's very dishonest.
The early Christian-based movements towards abolition were small, and remained opposed by other Christians.
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The difference speaks for itself? You're such a coward. You can't answer anything so you just repeat the same garbage over and over.
"However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance."
Leviticus 25:44
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Where's your rebuttal? It's missing. You keep saying I'm in error but you never correct it. "You're wrong" isn't a response. Try "You're wrong, because ________."” You are wrong because you use ONE verse and remove it from the context of the ENTIRE Bible, just like slave owners did.

“Humanity is the primary justification for slavery? This sentence doesn't make any sense. It's like saying "The color of that truck is four." Humanity isn't a justification.” Because you misunderstand religion how do you understand humanity? Do you believe humans are born knowing and understanding the difference between good and evil?

“No, the clear support in the Bible for slavery is the Christian justification.” So says you with one verse and no examples of todays Christians who support slavery.

“You stole this text from wikipedia. That's very dishonest.” I understand history as wikipedia does...

“The early Christian-based movements towards abolition were small, and remained opposed by other Christians.” Cite your source.

“The difference speaks for itself? You're such a coward. You can't answer anything so you just repeat the same garbage over and over.” Calling names doesn’t change the facts. Your agenda to punish Christians because you hate them is sad.

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Q. How do you LOOK RIGHT AT EXISTING Colorado LAW and PRETEND it doesn't EXIST???
A. ABUSE TECHIQUE -INVALIDATION-
ABUSERS
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CHILD MOLESTERS
Families with PREVASIVE, repetitive INCEST
use this technique to psychologically trap and PREVENT victims from calling the POLICE
or even CALLING OUT for HEEEEeeeeeellllp !!!
I'm JUST SAYIN'!!! I see this all the time where defenseless People are being harmed by persons in positions of authority, control and trust.
ALLL THE TIME!!!
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Tell us how the baker harmed the gay couple by reserving a wedding cake for husbands and wives?

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It's irrelevant to the case. Some discrimination is still discrimination.
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Hobby Lobby doesn't even know what the contraceptives they're fighting do.
The fact that you think that shows you have no clue.

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And the court soundly rejected that argument as "a distinction without a difference."
"The salient feature distinguishing same-sex weddings from heterosexual ones is the sexual orientation of its participants. Only same-sex couples engage in same-sex weddings. Therefore, it makes little sense to argue that refusal to provide a cake to a same-sex couple for use at their wedding is not “because of” their sexual orientation."
And the Colorado Liberties Commission disregarded law so they could impose the same decision. Sadly it will continue until true Liberty is left.

No one can seem to explain the pain that was cause or the right that was removed by the baker when he reserved his cake for a husband and wife.
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You are wrong because you use ONE verse and remove it from the context of the ENTIRE Bible, just like slave owners did.
First off, you need to fix your posts, as they contain numerous quotes of my post with no response from you. For example, you did not respond to the Leviticus quote.

How am I wrong? The quote is undeniably pro-slavery and it's not lacking any context. There are plenty more pro-slavery quotes which we can get to, but I'd like you to address that one first.
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Because you misunderstand religion how do you understand humanity? Do you believe humans are born knowing and understanding the difference between good and evil?
Human beings are born with the ability to reason and the ability to feel empathy. With these two traits alone, one can generate moral systems. Parents and culture are a significant influence and hasten such generation.
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So says you with one verse and no examples of todays Christians who support slavery.
Why do I have to provide examples of modern Christians supporting slavery? Christians change their beliefs based on current social trends. 300 years ago, most Christians were okay with slavery. Now, virtually none are. 150 years ago, most Christians opposed women voting or working. Now, virtually none do. 50 years ago, most Christians strongly opposed gay rights. Currently, far less do, and I bet that in 50 more years, Christian opposition to gay rights will be a tiny minority.
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“The early Christian-based movements towards abolition were small, and remained opposed by other Christians.” Cite your source.
They were small: they lived in a democratic nation yet didn't have the numbers to eliminate slavery.
They were opposed by other Christians: the pro-slavery forces in the US consisted of Christians.
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The fact that you think that shows you have no clue.
It's you and Hobby Lobby who have no clue.

Hobby Lobby took the position that emergency contraception causes abortions. It doesn't. Their belief was literally false.

The Supreme Court ruled that the belief doesn't have to be true to be protected.

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