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Texas teachers allowed to Carry legal firearms.

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#1 Dec 20, 2012
Teachers can carry concealed weapons in tiny Texas town

Published December 20, 2012

Associated Press

Dec. 17, 2012: Tthe sign in front of the Harrold Independent School District in Harrold, Texas.(AP)

HARROLD, Texas In this tiny Texas town, children and their parents don't give much thought to safety at the community's lone school -- mostly because some of the teachers are carrying concealed weapons.

In remote Harrold, the nearest sheriff's office is 30 minutes away, and people tend to know -- and trust -- one another. So the school board voted to let teachers bring guns to school.

"We don't have money for a security guard, but this is a better solution," Superintendent David Thweatt said. "A shooter could take out a guard or officer with a visible, holstered weapon, but our teachers have master's degrees, are older and have had extensive training. And their guns are hidden. We can protect our children."

In the awful aftermath of last week's Connecticut elementary school shooting, lawmakers in a growing number of states -- including Oklahoma, Missouri, Minnesota, South Dakota and Oregon -- have said they will consider laws allowing teachers and school administrators to carry firearms at school.

Texas law bans guns in schools unless the school has given written authorization. Arizona and six other states have similar laws with exceptions for people who have licenses to carry concealed weapons.

Harrold's school board voted unanimously in 2007 to allow employees to carry weapons. After obtaining a state concealed-weapons permit, each employee who wants to carry a weapon must be approved by the board based on his or her personality and reaction to a crisis, Thweatt said.

Employees also must undergo training in crisis intervention and hostage situations. And they must use bullets that minimize the risk of ricochet, similar to those carried by air marshals on planes.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/12/20/teachers...

Spokaloonian

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#3 Dec 20, 2012
This should be implemented in ALL schools.

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#5 Dec 20, 2012
Busty Miss wrote:
Teachers with guns only increases the danger.
How many of these teachers were trained in the proper usage of firearms?
No training, no firearm.
Since it was stated that all who get permission to carry must go through training, you must have missed that point, I see no problem with this. No more danger than the cops who do not go through hostage negotiations or other specialty training. Cops also do not use bullets like Air Marshals, so more chance of ricochets or bullets passing through walls and hitting innocent people.

It appears to me that this was well thought out before being implemented.

Cathouse Mouse

Since: Aug 10

Cathouse Mouse

#7 Dec 20, 2012
What if an armed intruder walks into a school with semi-automaticweaponry and his first act is to take a hostage for a body shield?

What then?

Teachers shouldn't only be armed and trained, but needs to be trained with special forces precision shooting skills.

Your typical 22 year old 1st grade teacher would need to be trained well enough to take out an automatic weapon weilding crazy man, holding a child, and do so in one shot with a handgun.

That's asking a lot from a young lady who only 6 weeks ago had the entire Republican party attacking her and her Union, and praised Wisconsin Gov, Scott Walker for cutting their benefits.

Now you want the taxpayer to spend Billions of dollars training her to shoot bad guys for you.

Got news for you all,..... she didn't sign up to be a soldier, she signed up to teach your children.

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#8 Dec 20, 2012
Cathouse Mouse wrote:
What if an armed intruder walks into a school with semi-automaticweaponry and his first act is to take a hostage for a body shield?
What then?
Teachers shouldn't only be armed and trained, but needs to be trained with special forces precision shooting skills.
Your typical 22 year old 1st grade teacher would need to be trained well enough to take out an automatic weapon weilding crazy man, holding a child, and do so in one shot with a handgun.
That's asking a lot from a young lady who only 6 weeks ago had the entire Republican party attacking her and her Union, and praised Wisconsin Gov, Scott Walker for cutting their benefits.
Now you want the taxpayer to spend Billions of dollars training her to shoot bad guys for you.
Got news for you all,..... she didn't sign up to be a soldier, she signed up to teach your children.
Thus far these killers have yet to take a hostage. If they thought they would meet resistance they would probably look for an easier target. That is of course supposition on my part.

I do not know what you would suggest to solve the problem, but many seem to think that outlawing guns is the answer. I don't see that as being a realistic solution. Unless it is made possible to eliminate every weapon on the planet.

I haven't read where the teachers training was on the tax payer's dime. And even if it comes to that, I would rather see my tax dollars pay for protection of the children than on the money pit the war on drugs has become.

There will always be a "What If" scenario that isn't covered though. Nothing is 100%. Those that wish to do harm will find a way. Guns or no guns.

Holding a child with one hand and using an automatic rifle with the other would be no easy task.

Cathouse Mouse

Since: Aug 10

Cathouse Mouse

#10 Dec 20, 2012
I've suggested that responsible gun owners could voluntarily reduce their personal arsenal by half.

Most people who own guns, own more than one.

If every gun owner agreed to do that, and those guns were destroyed.

We would have 150 million less guns at risk of falling into a crazy person's hands. It would also create an environment where no new legislation would be immediately required.

As you might suspect, I was met with profanity filled resistance.

Cathouse Mouse

Since: Aug 10

Cathouse Mouse

#11 Dec 20, 2012
Busty Miss wrote:
When I attended school, the doors were locked so no one could enter without having an escort. The doors could be opened from the inside in case of a fire.
We had to remain on campus during school hours and I remember teachers would walk the halls during class. I also remember school safety officers (real police) were an addition in later years. If students were outside, teachers walked the grounds.
I dislike the thought of teachers carrying guns, as teaching is their vocation. However, keeping our children safe is paramount.
Inquiry;

As I'm sure we all have family children, whether be it our own or other family members children who are attending school this very day.

How many know anything about anyone living in the (usual) row of homes that borader school property?

Do we know if any of them have guns in their homes?

Do we know if any of them are crazy?

It's a crime to possess a gun within 1000 yards of a school. There are approximately 30 homes that border the school my loved ones attend.

I know nothing about the people who live there, and I'm quite sure the Police has never wondered.

If one of those residents were to go off on one of these shooting sprees, firing from inside his home towards the playground, what the hell good would gun packing teachers do?

It's a cut and dry solution. Until we get rid of guns, we will never be rid of the threat OR the reality of amss shootings and the needless deaths of innocent people.

All the kicking and screaming you want to do won't change that fact.

Cathouse Mouse

Since: Aug 10

Cathouse Mouse

#13 Dec 20, 2012
Busty Miss wrote:
<quoted text>
I am not your target, Cathouse Mouse. Back off!
You are so quick to believe people are the way you invision them.
Considering how easy it is for bad people to get guns, who, exactly, are you trying to disarm?
If you don't like the weapon idea, why don't you come up with a solution or two of your own. Until you come up with a viable solution, kicking and screaming will do you no good.
We know our neighbors. Our children are taught to pay attention.
Guns are not the only weapons which could be used against our children so what is your solution for the problem, mouse?
Apparently you missed where I stated I did not want teachers to carry guns and just decided to kick and scream in my general direction.
It is not my intent to target you. I'm passionate about this issue for good reason that will never be disclosed here, so be it as it may.

I would submit that I'm the only one who has offered a solution idea, other than the "ARM EVERYBODY" crowd.

If I were in this discussion to aggravate or "target" anyone, I'd liely make some far fetched claim that it's a GOP conspiracy to force teachers to carry weapons on campus so to cause such a disruption to fearful parents that the public education system would collapse, fulfilling a longtime dream to privatize child education.

^^^ T H A T ^^^ is more like a rightwing strategy, and I take this much more serious. Anyone feeling targeted by my comments has their own reason.

Cathouse Mouse

Since: Aug 10

Cathouse Mouse

#14 Dec 20, 2012
Busty Miss wrote:
<quoted text>
I am not your target, Cathouse Mouse. Back off!
Also,

I tend to quote someone and respond, then sometimes transition into generalization mode while completing my comment.

I regret having that habit.

Cathouse Mouse

Since: Aug 10

Cathouse Mouse

#17 Dec 20, 2012
Busty Miss wrote:
<quoted text>
As long as we both have an understanding.
Our schools have security officers (real police) on duty. There are metal detectors at entrances.
Do you think we've become so PC that giving the benefit of the doubt to people we don't know has overridden our instincts of self-preservation?
I believe that as our society grows in population, so grows the amount of trial and tribulation for each citizen that goes with inhabiting our shared space. I routinely see parents and coaches smacking each other around at high school football games these days, I see parents yelling and cursing at PTA meetings, I see disgruntled customers at stores who cause me to wonder if they are going to retrieve a gun from their car and come back in.

I believe if we stay on this path with slack gun control we will see worst things happen at football games, PTA meetings, and retail stores. Then we would be having this same argument over again with the gun addicts claiming guns don't kill people.

The battle for the political power to control ideals for the future of the Nation has become a competition rather than a system of democracy. One would think that on this issue everyone could agree that controlling gun availability must be taken seriously.

I can see only bad results in our future if we don't get a handle on the amount of guns easily obtainable by people that shouldn't be privvy to them.

There's not a better leader for this issue than Joe Biden. I'm anxious to see this play out.

Meanwhile, I'd remind anyone that my opinion holds no more weight than yours, but it is my opinion.

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#21 Dec 21, 2012
Busty Miss wrote:
Alas, Cathouse Mouse, many are denied their right to express their opinions by those who declare their own opinions are the only opinions allowed. That is part of the problem.
Odd, your opinions are showing here just fine. Just where is it that you are denied the right to express your opinions? Or is it just that if your opinions are not popular you claim you are being denied?

Please do enlighten me.

Opinions and beliefs are all any of us have.
My beliefs are right for me, your's are right for you. Just because they differ makes neither of us wrong, nor does it mean you are being denied your opinions.

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#23 Dec 21, 2012
Busty Miss wrote:
There is no mention of the word "I", "me", etc. in my statement.
You remind me of someone else who posts here.
Okay, let's split hairs. Just who is it that is being denied the right to express their opinions?
How do you know they are being denied?
Please back up your statements with facts.

I am sure if you were to read every topic and post on Topix you would be reminded of many others as well. That statement is a moot point that means nothing.
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#25 Dec 21, 2012
It's ok, Spookieloon. I wasn't even addressing this place in my comments. I was making an 'in general' comment.

However, for some really odd reason you ASSUmed I meant topix. Then you demanded I provide proof of my statements.

What did you do next? You took away MY right to express MY opinions right after you denied anyone was being deprived of their right to post their own opinions.

YOU are the one who proved my point and made it about topix as well.

You made a great punch line....lol

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#26 Dec 21, 2012
Busty Miss Returns wrote:
It's ok, Spookieloon. I wasn't even addressing this place in my comments. I was making an 'in general' comment.
However, for some really odd reason you ASSUmed I meant topix. Then you demanded I provide proof of my statements.
What did you do next? You took away MY right to express MY opinions right after you denied anyone was being deprived of their right to post their own opinions.
YOU are the one who proved my point and made it about topix as well.
You made a great punch line....lol
You seem to want to split hairs. I have made no demands of you. I have asked for proof in a non-demanding way. Nor did I assume anything. You said I reminded you of someone else posting HERE, I took that to mean Topix.
You seem to be evading the question(s).

I am interested in where this occurs and to who it has occurred. Can you provide that information or not?

I am not looking to argue with you, just asking for, not demanding, facts to back up your statement.

Apparently my asking bothers you, as you have resorted to an childish attempt to mock my handle. And since it is only a handle, knock yourself out.

How did I manage to take away your right to anything? I wasn't aware I had such powers.
Nor have I denied anyone is being deprived of their right. As I don't know.

Post your opinions til the end of time, I could care less.

But in the same respect, expect others to comment on them.

But, please, do respond in an educated adult manner. Again, not a demand, just asking politely.

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#28 Dec 22, 2012
Busty Miss Returns wrote:
Really? Bull!
Right after you DEMANDED I provide proof of my comments, I responded that you should have to do the same.
Suddenly, my username was blocked, some of my (and your) posts disappeared and my rights were denied.
The fact that I mentioned you remind me of another poster, I believe, added to my 'crime'.
You remind me of Sniper. Same posting style, same manner of insults. Same attitude.
So, whatfreakingever!
How is one asking a question translated to a demand?

What statements have I made that you would like to see proof?
I will be more than happy to assist as I am able.

Through this entire thread I have levied no insults to you.

I couldn't care less if you have posts removed, nor do I care if any of mine get removed. Though I don't see any of mine missing.

So do you somehow relate you getting your user name banned by your own actions with me? What "Rights" have you now been denied?

Seems to me this site is owned by Topix, you only have the rights they see fit to afford you, ON THEIR SITE! None of us has "RIGHTS" on this site.

And through all your ranting and raving, you never did answer the question, where are people being denied their rights to their opinions?

Either you can answer it or not, but don't be angry at me if you cannot back up what you say.

Seriously, don't you think posting your rant on unrelated threads just a tad childish? What was the point of it?

Cathouse Mouse

Since: Aug 10

Cathouse Mouse

#29 Dec 22, 2012
I have an inquiry.

I'd like to have an expert on guns and gun use to play oddsmaker.

What odds would you give a nervous teacher with a handgun against this guy.



He is using an AR-15. It's been modified, but as you can clearly see, it doesn't take a rocket scientist.

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#30 Dec 22, 2012
Busty Miss Returns wrote:
Really? Bull!
Right after you DEMANDED I provide proof of my comments, I responded that you should have to do the same.
Suddenly, my username was blocked, some of my (and your) posts disappeared and my rights were denied.
The fact that I mentioned you remind me of another poster, I believe, added to my 'crime'.
You remind me of Sniper. Same posting style, same manner of insults. Same attitude.
So, whatfreakingever!
Gloop?
Busty Miss Returns

Denver, CO

#31 Dec 23, 2012
The Gloop wrote:
<quoted text>Gloop?
No way, Gloop. I am happily married.

Thanks for asking though.
Busty Miss

Englewood, CO

#33 Dec 24, 2012
Hmmm seems to work just fine.
Busty Miss Returns

Denver, CO

#34 Dec 24, 2012
Busty Miss wrote:
Hmmm seems to work just fine.
United States?

Once again, I am bothered by a clone who believes in clowning.

What works now didn't work before.

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