Imagine a country where...

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Since: Aug 09

Des Plaines, IL

#1 Oct 27, 2010
Imagine a country where…………

The political system elects politicians who do not represent the people who elected them.

The economic system rewards people for being lazy (Welfare).

The judicial system lets criminals go free and puts innocent people in prison.

The legal system encourages outrageous lawsuits for the most minor or imagined “offense”.

The government restricts the use of natural substances but allows the use of artificial substances.

The government enacts laws that control virtually every possible activity or situation.

The highest court in the land runs roughshod over the Constitution.

The law requires absurd warnings that take up to ¾ of a product label.

Citizens are harassed while illegal aliens are coddled.

Public land is highly restricted or prohibited from public use.

The free enterprise system raises employees to their level of incompetence.(Peter Principle)

The music industry rewards crude, sick, hateful “songs”.

The heroes are singers, actors, and pro athletes.

We The People now refers to the rich and powerful.

The only real question is "Who in their right mind would willingly live in such a place?"

http://solvo-civitas-iunctus.com
dta

Billings, MT

#2 Oct 27, 2010
we don't have to imagine it!
cjrian

United States

#3 Oct 27, 2010
just look around
Commish

Greeley, CO

#4 Oct 27, 2010
Vote "R" next Tuesday or Get More of What we have right now.
gutsy girl

Aurora, CO

#5 Oct 27, 2010
Yeah, and if (God forbid) Sarah Palin is elected President, I am booking a flight to Canada and staying there 'till all the Pee Tardy nonsense is over with! The Republicans are at least as culpable as Dems for the way things are now!
madmadmad

Denver, CO

#6 Oct 27, 2010
Commish wrote:
Vote "R" next Tuesday or Get More of What we have right now.
I think it was Einstein who said "repeating the same process over and over while expecting a different result is the definition of insanity". I've had enough insanity myself. The ballot already went in with a whole bunch of R's and one C. No D's. I threw out the 3 liberal supreme court judges too, just for good measure.
cjrian

United States

#7 Oct 27, 2010
gutsy girl wrote:
Yeah, and if (God forbid) Sarah Palin is elected President, I am booking a flight to Canada and staying there 'till all the Pee Tardy nonsense is over with! The Republicans are at least as culpable as Dems for the way things are now!
Whether she's elected or not - Why not just go anyway?

The loony tunes have been promising this for a while
"If so-and-so is elected, I'm moving to Timbuktu"
AND THEN THEY DON'T GO!
Lying sacks of beans!(trying to be civil)

Of course, when the loony left got in office
They "invited" Conservatives pack our bags (as in "Go! Get out!")
But we stayed, much to their consternation.

Girly, you wanna leave?
Beat the rush!
Go now!
Invest in real estate
You could make a killing selling to the hordes of fruitcakes following you
But (oops) there are two problems with that, aren't there?

* That would be an evil Capitalist thing, wouldn't it?

* The loonies are liars, they won't go. They can't even keep their word about THAT! Just hollow promises.
Motomom34

Arvada, CO

#8 Oct 27, 2010
madmadmad wrote:
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I threw out the 3 liberal supreme court judges too, just for good measure.
I make a list to take with me to the polls. I have vote no on those three judges also.
Motomom34

Arvada, CO

#9 Oct 27, 2010
"The only real question is "Who in their right mind would willingly live in such a place?"

I don't know who would WANT to live in a place like that. Reading that post by Tort is kind of depressing because when you list all those things out- it sure doesn't sound like America.
Motomom34

Arvada, CO

#10 Oct 27, 2010
Q: We are actually a very young country. Do you think we will last much longer as the most powerful?
madmadmad

Denver, CO

#11 Oct 28, 2010
Motomom34 wrote:
Q: We are actually a very young country. Do you think we will last much longer as the most powerful?
I'm afraid we might have already crossed that threshold. Are we still the most powerful? I kind of doubt it.
Motomom34

Arvada, CO

#12 Oct 28, 2010
I am so ready of these elections to be done. I just want to get to work and get some common sense values and morales back into our lives. I want this sham of a healthcare bill to go away.

Since: Aug 09

Mundelein, IL

#13 Oct 30, 2010
Motomom34 wrote:
"The only real question is "Who in their right mind would willingly live in such a place?"
I don't know who would WANT to live in a place like that. Reading that post by Tort is kind of depressing because when you list all those things out- it sure doesn't sound like America.
Sorry to bring you down Motomom34, but the zombie won't go away by simply closing your eyes. Unfortunately, mainly due to those who have forgotten what this Republic is truly about, and the complacency of those of us who failed to take a stand and allowed it to take place; those bullet points I enumerated ARE what we currently live with in the United States.

Can the trend be reversed? I hope so, but unlike our friends from the far left I have little hope that we can reverse the change from what was granted to us by the genius and sacrifice of our forebears. All we can do is try.

"If ever a time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin
Sam Adams

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Since: Aug 09

Mundelein, IL

#14 Oct 31, 2010
It i possible that there is some hope. It seems as though the administration and their financiers have gone just a bit off the deep end and may crash and burn before they can inflict that fate totally on the Republic.

Soros looks like a cranky, half-crazy old Hungarian (granted, he looked like that before, too), and Obama...well, he looks like Obama.

We have seen Obama and crew in operation for two years now, and it is low comedy. Consider ObamaCare, which, with an overwhelming majority in both House and Senate and the support of the media and the medical trade groups, the administration was unable to pass without infuriating the entire country, demolishing Medicare, delaying the recovery, and unleashing the Tea Parties.

Obama, of course, speaks for himself. Here we are emerging robust and healthy from the second Great Depression, with historically low unemployment, no foreclosure problem, terrorism ended, Iran tamed, the entire world running on wind power, and all the wealth spread around a bit. Did I miss anything? Oh, yeah, those oceans haven't begun dropping yet. But he'll be able to get that now, at least if Glenn Beck doesn't get in the way.

So here we are mere days before the Apocalypse, when the floor of the Capitol opens up to swallow the last howling Democrat while resources and time are wasted on weird little projects that accomplish nothing and wouldn't help even if successful, while the real problems grow larger, fiercer, and closer to intractable. The record is clear. Not a single one of their programs has taken off.

But, as Obama said, the problem is that the American people are paralyzed with fear and aren't understanding reality.

Actually, it is more likely that the citizens of the Republic are awakening from the Kool-Ade induced stupor of the past two years and are about to rid themselves of at least some of the parasites that have been draining their lifeblood...

We'll see...
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Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#15 Dec 13, 2010
Abraham Lincoln and MLK, along with the other great Republicans must be cursing the U.S. politicians of today out right about now. For the record, I am not a Republican folks but I do support the original old..REAL Republicans such as the two mentioned. Imagine a country where the government allows companies to go buckwild with your hard earned cash. Also imagine a country where you pay $52,000 for your Bachelor's degree while the country next to you pays $FREE.99 for both a Bachelor's and Master's, yet that country next to you with the free healthcare and free education managed to be skipped by today's recession. There's just so much wrong with North America, I can't pinpoint where to end it smh. But there are great things about living here too.
I dont think so

Aurora, CO

#16 Dec 13, 2010
AeroHostale wrote:
Abraham Lincoln and MLK, along with the other great Republicans must be cursing the U.S. politicians of today out right about now. For the record, I am not a Republican folks but I do support the original old..REAL Republicans such as the two mentioned. Imagine a country where the government allows companies to go buckwild with your hard earned cash. Also imagine a country where you pay $52,000 for your Bachelor's degree while the country next to you pays $FREE.99 for both a Bachelor's and Master's, yet that country next to you with the free healthcare and free education managed to be skipped by today's recession. There's just so much wrong with North America, I can't pinpoint where to end it smh. But there are great things about living here too.
The country next to us doesn't have "free" anything. The income tax rate there is 64% and rising. 80% of the population hates the medical system and 60% of them buy a supplemental policy to improve on it (with some of the 40% of their income after taxes). Some of them still die waiting for treatment that is immediately available here. What is the lifetime ROI on that education you paid for here vs the ROI on the free education in Canada? You will have more net lifetime income here. Yes, they managed to skip the recession here but they have recessions there too. The more the government tries to regulate and spend their way out of the recession the longer the recession will last.
Level 1

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#17 Dec 14, 2010
I dont think so wrote:
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The country next to us doesn't have "free" anything. The income tax rate there is 64% and rising. 80% of the population hates the medical system and 60% of them buy a supplemental policy to improve on it (with some of the 40% of their income after taxes). Some of them still die waiting for treatment that is immediately available here. What is the lifetime ROI on that education you paid for here vs the ROI on the free education in Canada? You will have more net lifetime income here. Yes, they managed to skip the recession here but they have recessions there too. The more the government tries to regulate and spend their way out of the recession the longer the recession will last.
I personally never heard of an American nor Canadian hating their healthcare system nor their free education. Not to say there aren't any who hate it because I'm sure they do. And also Europeans for the most part are pleased with their healthcare system also and free education. They may pay higher, but sometimes paying for better services are worth the extra bucks. That's my opinion. Not to down the healthcare system totally here, but I see many Americans taking the first flight out to a European country, even Mexico sometimes (sad to say) just to get better healthcare services abroad. That's pretty embarassing to me. I don't see these others rushing over here to wait 14 hours in line to pay $900 for an x-ray due to going in for a simple cold virus. What are these other countries doing right that the U.S. isn't? That's what I want to know.
cjrian

United States

#18 Dec 14, 2010
AeroHostale wrote:
I personally never heard of an American nor Canadian hating their healthcare system nor their free education. Not to say there aren't any who hate it because I'm sure they do. And also Europeans for the most part are pleased with their healthcare system also and free education. They may pay higher, but sometimes paying for better services are worth the extra bucks. That's my opinion. Not to down the healthcare system totally here, but I see many Americans taking the first flight out to a European country, even Mexico sometimes (sad to say) just to get better healthcare services abroad. That's pretty embarassing to me. I don't see these others rushing over here to wait 14 hours in line to pay $900 for an x-ray due to going in for a simple cold virus. What are these other countries doing right that the U.S. isn't? That's what I want to know.
"Medical Tourism" is a HUGE business in Europe and the Northeast. Euro's, with their "wonderful" health system, go where they can get timely treatment and pay cash. The same goes for Canadians. Appointments with specialists often take 4 - 8 months, with another 6 months for a diagnosis. Not very promising when time is of the essence. Sure, routine services are quick and clean, but emergencies that are treated here within minutes often take many hours over there. The reason there are so few complaints? Complaintants are dead! And survivors know that complaints go nowhere. Additionally, when the government owns the system, there is usually NO legal recourse. If your treatment here is lacking, a lawsuit may result. Over there, no lawsuit may be filed.(The same lawsuit restriction is in the Obama/Pelosi/Reid healthSCARE law)

Level 3

Since: Dec 07

Location hidden

#19 Dec 14, 2010
gutsy girl wrote:
Yeah, and if (God forbid) Sarah Palin is elected President, I am booking a flight to Canada and staying there 'till all the Pee Tardy nonsense is over with! The Republicans are at least as culpable as Dems for the way things are now!
I was born and raised in Canada and you don't want to move there.
I dont think so

Denver, CO

#20 Dec 14, 2010
AeroHostale wrote:
<quoted text>
I personally never heard of an American nor Canadian hating their healthcare system nor their free education. Not to say there aren't any who hate it because I'm sure they do. And also Europeans for the most part are pleased with their healthcare system also and free education. They may pay higher, but sometimes paying for better services are worth the extra bucks. That's my opinion. Not to down the healthcare system totally here, but I see many Americans taking the first flight out to a European country, even Mexico sometimes (sad to say) just to get better healthcare services abroad. That's pretty embarassing to me. I don't see these others rushing over here to wait 14 hours in line to pay $900 for an x-ray due to going in for a simple cold virus. What are these other countries doing right that the U.S. isn't? That's what I want to know.
If you haven't heard of it you haven't done your homework. Canadians are pouring across the border for MRI's and other services that have a 6+ month wait in Canada. What is 14 hours vs 6 months? It's life or death in many instances.

As for paying more, they are. Much more! But their healthcare system is inferior to ours. Do you want to pay more for less? I don't, and that is what you get with socialized medicine. In many countries the tax rate is as high as 80%. Can you survive on 20% of your paycheck? For every $1000 you make you would keep $200.00. Will that pay the rent and buy groceries? Not at my house. If you make $4000.00 per month you would pay $3200 in taxes and take home $800.00. That's a pretty steep price tag for "free" healthcare.

A recent Investor's Business Daily article provided the following statistics:
Percentage of population who survived cancer 5 years after diagnosis, US 65%, England 46%, Canada 42%
Percentange of patients diagnosed with diabetes who received treatment within 6 months: US 93%, England 15%, Canada 43%.
Percentage of seniors needing hip replacement who received it within 6 months: US 90%, England 15%, Canada 43%.
Percentage referred to a specialist who see one within 1 month: US 77%, England 40% Canada 43%.
Number of MRI scanners per million people: US 71, England 14, Canada 18.

The whole reason people want reform is cost. Socialized medicine costs a LOT more. Obamacare, while not quite socialized healthcare does absolutely nothing to curb costs. It does everything to raise costs. We need some healthcare reform. Nothing in Obamacare (2700 pages) does anything to address what actually needed to be reformed. It's the most ridiculous scam that has ever been forced on the American people and the majority of Americans want it repealed. I'm very grateful that the majority of Americans have studied Obamacare and rejected it. I would suggest you do the same.

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