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#1106 Nov 11, 2013
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“America home of the free and the worlds largest prison population while in the Netherlands they are closing their prisons due to lack of criminals.” So what? Government removing personal freedom removes criminals? The Netherlands population is much smaller than the US? The Netherlands export their criminals? You are being very vague.

The people of Netherlands have more personal freedom than Americans do.

Prison Population Rates per 100,000 of the national population. USA first place with 716. Netherlands rate is 92.

take you pick
https://www.google.com/#q=netherlands+closing...

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#1107 Nov 11, 2013
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“Looks like you need to go to Romans and read it.The context is clear as the title to this chapter is God’s Sovereign Choice.” Says the one who is unwilling to explain the context…
“like god choice to kill every living thing on earth but one family and a few animals.”…
“Like god choice to hardened the Pharaoh heart even after the Pharaoh said he would let the people go.”…
“If god harden hearts there is no freewill. If god know all I will do even before I am born again NO FREEWILL.”

Yet you continue to choose, on your own, to deny God and His context for the belief “I know our morals came from humans being social animals” and “I believe that humans will do the right thing.” Which not only has no religious basis and absolutely no scientific basis. If you truly believe there is no God then why hate Christians so much?
NOPE NOT ME!!! God did it.

Christians fighting for less government involvement in out lives should stay out of people bedrooms.

Christians need to stay out of politics. If not tax churches and all income.

Humans do learn to do the right thing in time. Mix race couple can marry now. Gay's can marry now. Blacks and women can vote.All things people decided were right over what the bible says.

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#1108 Nov 11, 2013
Jammercolo wrote:
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NOPE NOT ME!!! God did it.
Christians fighting for less government involvement in out lives should stay out of people bedrooms.
Christians need to stay out of politics. If not tax churches and all income.
Humans do learn to do the right thing in time. Mix race couple can marry now. Gay's can marry now. Blacks and women can vote.All things people decided were right over what the bible says.
I may have disrespected Respect so much that he ran off.

I may be sorry.

I may not be.

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#1109 Nov 12, 2013
River Tam wrote:
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I may have disrespected Respect so much that he ran off.
I may be sorry.
I may not be.
hmmm, IMO " Respect71 " has no respect for any that do not agree with his cherry picked way of life.

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#1110 Nov 13, 2013
Jammercolo wrote:
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The people of Netherlands have more personal freedom than Americans do.
Prison Population Rates per 100,000 of the national population. USA first place with 716. Netherlands rate is 92.
take you pick
https://www.google.com/#q=netherlands+closing...
Well then… A great argument for the US to deregulate, cut useless funding, and allow Americans to have their personal freedoms as the founders intended. Limited government has always been best for American’s liberty.

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#1111 Nov 13, 2013
Jammercolo wrote:
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NOPE NOT ME!!! God did it.
Christians fighting for less government involvement in out lives should stay out of people bedrooms.
Christians need to stay out of politics. If not tax churches and all income.
Humans do learn to do the right thing in time. Mix race couple can marry now. Gay's can marry now. Blacks and women can vote.All things people decided were right over what the bible says.
God knit you in your mother’s womb and you are fearfully and wonderfully made, and Throughout the Bible God continuously instructs you to make righteous decisions, yet, you choose to deny God. So God, gives you the will to choose for yourself… You are by no means Pharaoh, which mean your heart is hardened by your own choices.
“Christians fighting for less government involvement in out lives should stay out of people bedrooms.” Describe an example of Christians going into peoples bedrooms?
Government, can stop using tax paying Christian’s money to fund Abortions, and birth control, thereby honestly leaving bedrooms to solely belong to Americans.

“Christians need to stay out of politics.” That is Un-Constitutional, and breaks the first Amendment rights.
“If not tax churches” That is Un-Constitutional, and breaks the first Amendment rights.
“all income.” I agree… Let ALL Americans pay a Federal income tax so it is FAIR.

“Humans do learn to do the right thing in time.” NOTHING in history has shown your statement to be true. Human nature is better described in the Bible, and History supports that nature 100%

“Mix race couple can marry now.” Because of Christians.“Gay's can marry now.” In some states, however, Colorado’s law is appropriate, allowing same sex couples with the same benefits as married couples.

“Blacks and women can vote.” Because of Christians.
“All things people decided were right over what the bible says.” You need to give historic examples.

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#1112 Nov 13, 2013
River Tam wrote:
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I may have disrespected Respect so much that he ran off.
I may be sorry.
I may not be.
LOL… There is no reason to run from you.

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#1113 Nov 13, 2013
Jammercolo wrote:
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hmmm, IMO " Respect71 " has no respect for any that do not agree with his cherry picked way of life.
Cherry picked? You mean defined as opposed to an ambiguous “Humans do learn to do the right thing in time”?

“I think therefore I...forgot!!”

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#1114 Nov 14, 2013
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Yea not bad.
The bible is much harder to interpreted than in believer is willing to admit.
Take Mary's virgin birth. Most Most bible scholars will admit it's a mistranslation. Should be "young woman" not virgin.
Same thing with the one time Lucifer is used in KJV of Bible. Lucifer is a mistranslation of a Babylonian king and has nothing to do with the devil as every other bible now has written .
Us less you know how words were use in that time we can not understand them using today's words as the meaning has changed as with homosexuals and gay marriage. Jesus did not have a problem with two men loving each other. In that age a Greek businessman would take in a young boy living on the street, clean him up educate him make him a intern and in return the boy would give out sex to this man. This is what Jesus was against.
Good luck with (anti) respect.
AMBIGUITY!!! Every single word, sentence, phrase, story, etc. is ambiguous. As a matter of fact ambiguity is the rule and getting the same message is the exception.

I have a friend I have known for 53 years. Two people can not understand each other any more than we do. There is a limit and when it is reached you know it. My friend and I reached that limit long ago and yet we will never have a discussion void of ambiguity.

If we think about it what would be left if there was no ambiguity? Everyone would be the same as everyone else. Every thing that is said would be completely understood in the same manner by every person. If that happened how long would it be before there was nothing left to talk about? OF COURSE THE BIBLE IS AMBIGUOUS!!! Then, as you say, time and the meaning of words changes, translation from one language to another changes meanings, there are so many things that I am surprised anyone agrees about anything that is said in the bible at all!

For anyone to think that they have the ONE TRUE MEANING of the bible is both naïve and self absorbing. To think you KNOW GOD is no less than thinking you ARE GOD!!! To "KNOW" something is to be on the level of that something. Since this is terribly ambiguous I'll stop here and see if we "Are on the same page" with it before going on. I am sure you understand what I am saying but we should be sure that the understanding is the same for both of us. The only way to do that is for you to say the same thing I just said in DIFFERENT WORDS!!! If you get a different meaning from what I just said than the meaning I wanted to deliver than I have got to say it in a better way. There is no right or wrong smart or dumb, only finding the same meaning.

Are you comfortable with that? Do you mind telling me what I said so I know if I said it correctly?

“I think therefore I...forgot!!”

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#1115 Nov 14, 2013
Somehow pieces of what I wrote simply disappeared!!! The part "If we think about it..." and on is correct so if you don't understand some of the stuff above it really doesn't matter.

For: JAMMERCOLORADO

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#1116 Nov 14, 2013
River Tam wrote:
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I suppose you can show me where I posted anything about bedrooms.
I suppose you can show me where I said you posted anything about bedrooms?

I, ME, I was talking about bedrooms. If you would like I can rewrite it using a different word then "Bedrooms?"

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#1117 Nov 14, 2013
River Tam wrote:
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I suppose you can show me where I posted anything about bedrooms.
Take out "Bedrooms" and insert "Sexual preference" and see if that works better?

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#1118 Nov 14, 2013
Kawalski wrote:
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AMBIGUITY!!! Every single word, sentence, phrase, story, etc. is ambiguous. As a matter of fact ambiguity is the rule and getting the same message is the exception.
I have a friend I have knownin the same manner by every person. If that happened how long would it be before there was nothing left to talk about? OF COURSE THE BIBLE IS AMBIGUOUS!!! Then, as you say, time and the meaning of words changes, translation from one language to another changes meanings, there are so many things that I am surprised anyone agrees about anything that is said in the bible at all!
For anyone to think that they have the ONE TRUE MEANING of the bible is both naïve and self absorbing. To think you KNOW GOD is no less than thinking you ARE GOD!!! To "KNOW" something is to be on the level of that something. Since this is terribly ambiguous I'll stop here and see if we "Are on the same page" with it before going on. I am sure you understand what I am saying but we should be sure that the understanding is the same for both of us. The only way to do that is for you to say the same thing I just said in DIFFERENT WORDS!!! If you get a different meaning from what I just said than the meaning I wanted to deliver than I have got to say it in a better way. There is no right or wrong smart or dumb, only finding the same meaning.
Are you comfortable with that? Do you mind telling me what I said so I know if I said it correctly?
I’m very comfortable with that.
Not at all… You believe the Bible, every world, sentence, phase and story is ambiguous, or is lacking in meaning for many who read it.
You have a very close friend of 53 years and no one else understands each other the way to two of you understand each other. Apparently you reached a limit long ago and still have misunderstandings of one another. I am unsure if the is a limit of understanding or a limit of ambiguity, but I have a feeling it may be both.
You again state your belief again, stating that the meaning of the world change with translation to different languages, and you are very surprised that anyone agrees on anything in the Bible at all.
Lastly you state your belief that people are naïve and self-absorbed if they believe they know the “ONE TRUE MEANING” of the Bible, and you equate know God to one thinking they are God. Then you state knowing something is to be on the same level as that something you know.
YET:
Billions of people around the world agree with what the Bible says, and although there are many different denominations, traditions, ceremonies, ALL agree on the as God word and truth. All believe Jesus, the Son of God came, taught, loved and died for the sins of humanity.
John 3:16
New International Version (NIV)
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

Translated from GREEK (wish is still spoken today) into every language in the world holds the SAME MEANING.
You act as though the Bible is written in some language that no one person can understand… That’s not the truth.
People who read the Bible extensively truly get to know God. Just like you and your friend invested in time getting to know one another, right? It took time and intentionally asking questions to get to know your friend as well as you do… For the Billions of Christians who do this they all get to know who God is, and they are not crazy because of this.

Harry potter is written in many different languages as well… Do you believe that anyone walks away from reading those books with the impression they are NON-FICTION about the way magic people live in the world… NOT LIKELY.
As for knowing things… You are a smart man, and you know that atoms make mass… but are you on the same level as the atom? Do you know all there is to know about the atom? Are you the same as the Atom?

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#1119 Nov 14, 2013
Respect71 wrote:
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Well then… A great argument for the US to deregulate, cut useless funding, and allow Americans to have their personal freedoms as the founders intended. Limited government has always been best for American’s liberty.
Yea deregulate, not near enough fertilizer plants blowing up or plant fires killing loads of factory workers. We need rivers that catch fire and dirty air so we can see what we are breathing.

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#1120 Nov 14, 2013
Jammercolo wrote:
<quoted text>Yea deregulate, not near enough fertilizer plants blowing up or plant fires killing loads of factory workers. We need rivers that catch fire and dirty air so we can see what we are breathing.
Because that's the goal of business, right? To kill off their workers... And especially set rivers on fire. Because those specific actions cause Americans to buy their product.

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#1121 Nov 14, 2013
Respect71 wrote:
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God knit you in your mother’s womb and you are fearfully and wonderfully made, and Throughout the Bible God continuously instructs you to make righteous decisions, yet, you choose to deny God. So God, gives you the will to choose for yourself… You are by no means Pharaoh, which mean your heart is hardened by your own choices.
Bla BLa Bla same can be said of many gods. No proof of any gods.

The cause of me being was my father having sex (sex is penis placed into female vagina) with my mother. His sperm carries his DNA on 23 chromosomes that join the 23 chromosomes and her DNA of my mothers egg. I am half of my daddy and half of my mommy and no god.
Respect71 wrote:
<quoted text> Describe an example of Christians going into peoples bedrooms?
Sodimity laws,Texas outlawed dildo and artificial vagina and life at conception act. There's three.
Respect71 wrote:
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Government, can stop using tax paying Christian’s money to fund Abortions, and birth control, thereby honestly leaving bedrooms to solely belong to Americans.
Federal laws passed years ago ended tax payers money funding abortions. Less abortions with more birth control.
Respect71 wrote:
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“Christians need to stay out of politics.” That is Un-Constitutional, and breaks the first Amendment rights.
“If not tax churches” That is Un-Constitutional, and breaks the first Amendment rights.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Where do you see that churches paying taxes is unconstitutional. Newspapers have the freedom of press,but they have to pay taxes.

First Amendment rights only go so far. Try yelling fire in a movie theater or bomb in an airport and see what ya get.

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“all income.” I agree… Let ALL Americans pay a Federal income tax so it is FAIR.
Cool 25% Federal income tax paid by all Americans on income over $60,000 a year.

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#1122 Nov 14, 2013
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Because that's the goal of business, right? To kill off their workers... And especially set rivers on fire. Because those specific actions cause Americans to buy their product.
yep, profits above all else.

Big business would do this here if we let them.
http://boycottkochbrothers.com/blog/wp-conten...

http://i.i.cbsi.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim/2010/11/24/...

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#1123 Nov 14, 2013
Respect71 wrote:
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Because that's the goal of business, right? To kill off their workers... And especially set rivers on fire. Because those specific actions cause Americans to buy their product.
While turning oceans to acid.

Global warming is causing a silent storm in the oceans by acidifying waters at a record rate, threatening marine life from coral reefs to fish stocks, an international study showed on Thursday.

The report, by 540 experts in 37 nations, said the seas could become 170 percent more acidic by 2100 compared to levels before the Industrial Revolution. Carbon dioxide, the main greenhouse gas, can become a mild acid when mixed with water.

Acidification is combining with a warming of ocean waters, also caused by a build-up of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere, and other man-made factors such as higher pollution and overfishing, the report said.

"It is like the silent storm - you can't hear it, you can't feel it," Carol Turley, a senior scientist at the Plymouth Marine Laboratory in England, told Reuters.

The study, released on the sidelines of a meeting of almost 200 nations in Warsaw on ways to slow global warming, estimated that acidity of the oceans had already increased by 26 percent since the Industrial Revolution in the 18th and 19th centuries.

A 170 percent increase in acidity is equivalent to cutting the Ph level of the ocean, a scale of acidity and alkalinity, to 7.9 from 8.2 on a logarithmic scale. Battery acid rates about 1 and soap, an alkaline, is about 10.

CORALS, CRABS

The pace of acidification was the fastest in at least 55 million years, the scientists said. Acidification undermines the ability of everything from corals to crabs to build protective shells and has knock-on effects on the food web.

"Marine ecosystems and biodiversity are likely to change as a result of ocean acidification, with far-reaching consequences for society," according to the summary led by the International Geosphere-Biosphere Programme.

"Economic losses from declines in shellfish aquaculture and the degradation of tropical coral reefs may be substantial owing to the sensitivity of molluscs and corals to ocean acidification," it said.

And some studies have found that young clown fish, made famous by the movie "Finding Nemo", behaved as if drunk in more acidic waters, their brains apparently disoriented.

Another study found that rockfish can become more anxious.

"A normal fish will swim equally in light and dark areas in a tank ... an anxious one on high carbon dioxide spends more time in the darker side, the more protected side," said Lauren Linsmayer of the University of California, San Diego.

"If society continues on the current high emissions trajectory, cold water coral reefs, located in the deep sea, may be unsustainable and tropical coral reef erosion is likely to outpace reef building this century," the report said.

Deep cuts in emissions of greenhouse gases, from power plants, factories and cars, would limit acidification.

The Warsaw talks are working on plans for a global deal, due to be agreed in 2015, to limit climate change

http://news.yahoo.com/oceans-suffer-silent-st...

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#1124 Nov 15, 2013
Jammercolo wrote:
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Bla BLa Bla same can be said of many gods. No proof of any gods.
The cause of me being was my father having sex (sex is penis placed into female vagina) with my mother. His sperm carries his DNA on 23 chromosomes that join the 23 chromosomes and her DNA of my mothers egg. I am half of my daddy and half of my mommy and no god.
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Sodimity laws,Texas outlawed dildo and artificial vagina and life at conception act. There's three.
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Federal laws passed years ago ended tax payers money funding abortions. Less abortions with more birth control.
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Cool 25% Federal income tax paid by all Americans on income over $60,000 a year.
“Bla BLa Bla same can be said of many gods. No proof of any gods.” Yet here you are no choice of your own.
“The cause of me being was my father having sex (sex is penis placed into female vagina) with my mother. His sperm carries his DNA on 23 chromosomes that join the 23 chromosomes and her DNA of my mothers egg. I am half of my daddy and half of my mommy and no god.” Yet the same process with them and they are here without their own choice.
Respect71 wrote:
<quoted text> Describe an example of Christians going into peoples bedrooms?
“Sodimity laws,Texas outlawed dildo and artificial vagina and life at conception act. There's three.” LOL… that’s not exactly Christians going into the bedroom… However, I agree the first two laws are ridiculous and un-enforceable. Life at Conception, however, is not going into ones bedroom it’s protecting a life that can’t protect themselves. I don’t believe there should be a law to prevent KILLING BABIES in a mother’s womb, but people like you who call it “women’s health” or “right to choose” are liars and can’t be honest about what abortions really are.

“Federal laws passed years ago ended tax payers money funding abortions. Less abortions with more birth control.” The government gives public funds to planned parenthood. You’re a fool if you believe those funds aren’t used for that… And obamacare use taxpayer dollars against law for abortions just like Obama made congress exempt from their own law and not buy into the exchange.
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances Where do you see that churches paying taxes is unconstitutional.” You mean aside from “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;”? Your hate for people of religion runs deep… You do know that every American employed by a religious est

“Newspapers have the freedom of press,but they have to pay taxes.” Newspapers are not religious establishments.

“First Amendment rights only go so far. Try yelling fire in a movie theater or bomb in an airport and see what ya get.” Americans know this, liberal leftists recite this and the ones who attempt this are stupid. NOTE: how many do that in a year?

“Cool 25% Federal income tax paid by all Americans on income over $60,000 a year.” You believe is it fair for almost half of Americans to NOT pay any Federal income tax?

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#1125 Nov 15, 2013
Jammercolo wrote:
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yep, profits above all else.
Big business would do this here if we let them.
http://boycottkochbrothers.com/blog/wp-conten...
http://i.i.cbsi.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim/2010/11/24/...
“yep, profits above all else.

Big business would do this here if we let them.
http://boycottkochbrothers.com/blog/wp-conten ...

http://i.i.cbsi.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim/2010/11/24/ ...” Kind of BLASTS your sad belief that “Humans do learn to do the right thing in time.” Why is that?

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