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Respectfully, you can blame insurance companies or you can exercise your liberties and overcome your circumstances… My guess is you have for the most part… Yes? Any charities help you?
Now imagine yourself in another country where it has socialized medicine and they rate YOU based on illness and place you in line for care MONTHS down the road… NOW it’s not the insurance companies who decide but inefficient, wasteful, bureaucratic government who decides your fate. The sicker you are the less likely you are to get care… Why? Because of COST.
You don’t think death panels exist in socialized health care? They ABSOLUTLY do (google N.I.C.E.) because if they didn’t the system would instantly fail due to bankruptcy as opposed to the slow death they are taking on now.
Death Panels are an economic inevitability in socialized health care.
No, I didn't kneed aid because I was lucky enough to become a writer. I published several books and then a flurry of odds and ends.
However this is the first point I was making. Not insurance rather JOBS!!! If someone isn't as lucky as I was how do they get a job which must insure them when they cannot obtain any insurance? The person is stuck in a lose lose situation.
Also, you didn't address the matter of people rating others by the amount of money they have rather than their accomplishments?

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Resect, I might as well hit the nail on the head. I will catch a lot of shtuff (shtuff is what I meant to say) for this.

There are simply to many people on the planet for everyone to live free. This is so simple to see that it's obvious to me a vast number of people choose to bury their heads in the sand. I can't see discussing this point since it is a very basic truth.
If the human race truly wants to continue bolstering up the population then they must realize he consequences and be willing to live with them. Freedom is a victim of overpopulation. Except that or deal with limiting the number of children per family. Of course there are may ways to rectify this situation but I find contraception or abstinence to be the best choice.

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Respectfully, you can blame insurance companies or you can exercise your liberties and overcome your circumstances… My guess is you have for the most part… Yes? Any charities help you?
Now imagine yourself in another country where it has socialized medicine and they rate YOU based on illness and place you in line for care MONTHS down the road… NOW it’s not the insurance companies who decide but inefficient, wasteful, bureaucratic government who decides your fate. The sicker you are the less likely you are to get care… Why? Because of COST.
You don’t think death panels exist in socialized health care? They ABSOLUTLY do (google N.I.C.E.) because if they didn’t the system would instantly fail due to bankruptcy as opposed to the slow death they are taking on now.
Death Panels are an economic inevitability in socialized health care.
As far as "Death panels" go I don't see why or where they need a panel? Go to any hospice today and watch the protocol for someone that is slowly heading out. They are very gently helped through the passage with mega doses of morphine. It seems to be humane and within the wishes of the patients themselves. I don't actually know if they all realize what is happening but they are placed in control of their pain meds and simply up the intake as they see fit. I don't have a problem with that as long as it is up to the patient.
This system has nothing to do with socialized health care. It has been going on for a long time now.

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I pray what you say is true… However, based on the fact that you lie (,“So why do republicans attack school teacher for failing kids in public schools?” and when asked who does this you don’t back it up) how can we trust your statements?
I have backed it up with links many times. Damn, it is on the republican party platform to wipe out public education.I posted the link.

I also posted a link on colorado republicans voting to take school meals from the states poor.
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You said you cared about my children, yet you have not told us their names or what you have done to help them with their struggles with school, and last I looked 280,000 kids where tax payer lunches come from aren’t a part of your local boys and girls club. So, not you claim you don’t care for them?
How stupid of you to say I know your kids names. I did help vote out the vote for the rich republicans.Colorado is a blue state now our kids are safer for it.
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It’s HYSTERICAL how you argue Constitutionality of school choice when your SOCIALIST philosophy can’t exist without removing natural rights and the Constitution of the United States… EXAMPLE: OBAMACARE and the overwhelming lawsuits that have to be brought against it.
What natural rights you lost? What part of the Constitution will be removed?

What's really HYSTERICAL is that natural rights to the founding fathers were for rich white men only.

DID NOT treat others with these natural rights. Could women vote? NO!!! could poor whites vote? Again founding fathers said NO!!! Could blacks vote? Big fat NO they were slaves. Slaves yep the natural right to be owned. Sad truth is founding fathers were bigots and hypocrites.
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You can’t be an American and a socialist.

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Way off topic... But still ties in with getting off the planet.
Socialism will not get us anywhere, especially NOT off this planet.
All pre-historic tribes started out as socialist.If not for Socialism we humans would have went extinct.

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<quoted text>No, I didn't kneed aid because I was lucky enough to become a writer. I published several books and then a flurry of odds and ends.
However this is the first point I was making. Not insurance rather JOBS!!! If someone isn't as lucky as I was how do they get a job which must insure them when they cannot obtain any insurance? The person is stuck in a lose lose situation.
Also, you didn't address the matter of people rating others by the amount of money they have rather than their accomplishments?
Yet people, like yourself, manage to do amazing things and still get health care... How is that?

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<quoted text>No, I didn't kneed aid because I was lucky enough to become a writer. I published several books and then a flurry of odds and ends.
However this is the first point I was making. Not insurance rather JOBS!!! If someone isn't as lucky as I was how do they get a job which must insure them when they cannot obtain any insurance? The person is stuck in a lose lose situation.
Also, you didn't address the matter of people rating others by the amount of money they have rather than their accomplishments?
“Also, you didn't address the matter of people rating others by the amount of money they have rather than their accomplishments?” A consequence of Liberty is you can only be responsible for yourself as an individual. You can’t make someone like you, or make someone see you as you think they should, and, frankly, even in a communist or socialist society you have absolutely no choice but to be responsible for yourself alone.

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Resect, I might as well hit the nail on the head. I will catch a lot of shtuff (shtuff is what I meant to say) for this.
There are simply to many people on the planet for everyone to live free. This is so simple to see that it's obvious to me a vast number of people choose to bury their heads in the sand. I can't see discussing this point since it is a very basic truth.
If the human race truly wants to continue bolstering up the population then they must realize he consequences and be willing to live with them. Freedom is a victim of overpopulation. Except that or deal with limiting the number of children per family. Of course there are may ways to rectify this situation but I find contraception or abstinence to be the best choice.
Not everyone is free on this planet... As for over population, I’m not sure I can see you view point. There is a great deal more room for many more to enjoy this world. Detroit thrived with a growing population of 1.9 million and now have shrunk to a mere 750000... The earth is FAR from over populated.

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<quoted text>As far as "Death panels" go I don't see why or where they need a panel? Go to any hospice today and watch the protocol for someone that is slowly heading out. They are very gently helped through the passage with mega doses of morphine. It seems to be humane and within the wishes of the patients themselves. I don't actually know if they all realize what is happening but they are placed in control of their pain meds and simply up the intake as they see fit. I don't have a problem with that as long as it is up to the patient.
This system has nothing to do with socialized health care. It has been going on for a long time now.
“Death Panels” are inevitable because of the amount and cost of health care is far less than the amount of people who desire or require health care and because the burden is shifting to only 52% of Americans there will be far less resources to support the demand. The GOVERNMENT will have to decide how to allocate the resources, thus you will have no choice in your health care... It’s simple economics.

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I have backed it up with links many times. Damn, it is on the republican party platform to wipe out public education.I posted the link.
I also posted a link on colorado republicans voting to take school meals from the states poor.
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How stupid of you to say I know your kids names. I did help vote out the vote for the rich republicans.Colorado is a blue state now our kids are safer for it.
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What natural rights you lost? What part of the Constitution will be removed?
What's really HYSTERICAL is that natural rights to the founding fathers were for rich white men only.
DID NOT treat others with these natural rights. Could women vote? NO!!! could poor whites vote? Again founding fathers said NO!!! Could blacks vote? Big fat NO they were slaves. Slaves yep the natural right to be owned. Sad truth is founding fathers were bigots and hypocrites.
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“I have backed it up with links many times. Damn, it is on the republican party platform to wipe out public education.I posted the link.
I also posted a link on colorado republicans voting to take school meals from the states poor.” How does ANY of that support your statement?“So why do republicans attack school teacher for failing kids in public schools?”
“How stupid of you to say I know your kids names. I did help vote out the vote for the rich republicans.Colorado is a blue state now our kids are safer for it.” You said you cared about my kids... If this is so then why don’t you know their names?
“What natural rights you lost?”“The blessings of Liberty to ourselves” has to be removed for government to take and allocate American’s resources “What part of the Constitution will be removed?” Are you asking will have too be or what is being breached currently? All of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights would have to be removed to so your social philosophy could be in place.
“What's really HYSTERICAL is that natural rights to the founding fathers were for rich white men only.” Another accusation with NO support? What a shock. Point to the part in the constitution that states,“rich white men only.”
“DID NOT treat others with these natural rights. Could women vote? NO!!! could poor whites vote? Again founding fathers said NO!!! Could blacks vote? Big fat NO they were slaves. Slaves yep the natural right to be owned. Sad truth is founding fathers were bigots and hypocrites.” Again back it up... You’re spewing and nothing is behind it. Public school did you a disservice.

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All pre-historic tribes started out as socialist.If not for Socialism we humans would have went extinct.
“All pre-historic tribes started out as socialist.If not for Socialism we humans would have went extinct.” Like the Anasazi or the Mayans? NO socialized sociality has ever provided long lived prosperity and in fact all have ended very badly.

"If not for Socialism we humans would have went extinct."
lol... That’s the most laughable statement you have ever made... Don’t even bother backing it because there is nothing out there to support that ridiculous statement.

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“All pre-historic tribes started out as socialist.If not for Socialism we humans would have went extinct.” Like the Anasazi or the Mayans? NO socialized sociality has ever provided long lived prosperity and in fact all have ended very badly.

Gee, and what happened to the Anasazi and Mayans.With the Anasazi's There were long droughts, and shorter growing seasons. Their population had increased and these climatic changes may have made it impossible for them to support their numbers. There's also evidence other aggressive tribes pushed them out of their territories. Their society did not last but the people lived on in small groups.AKA they survived.

Same thing was happening to the Mayans till the white man came and finished them off for their god... But the Mayan descendants are still with us today.

"If not for Socialism we humans would have went extinct."
lol... That’s the most laughable statement you have ever made... Don’t even bother backing it because there is nothing out there to support that ridiculous statement.
That's just it. I know our morals came from humans being social animals.Religion teaches hate and intolerance while societies teach people to get alone for the greater good.

I don't post to you personally. I know your doomed to think the way you do for the rest of your life. Your not worth my time but other people that read these post may be saved from picking the same low road as you have.It is for them I post to you.

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“Death Panels” are inevitable because of the amount and cost of health care is far less than the amount of people who desire or require health care and because the burden is shifting to only 52% of Americans there will be far less resources to support the demand. The GOVERNMENT will have to decide how to allocate the resources, thus you will have no choice in your health care... It’s simple economics.
WOW crawl out from under that rock.

This country spend more per person (two-and-a-half times more) then countries with one party healthcare systems that cover everyone .The people in these other countries live longer have far less poverty and far lower child morality rates.

Whether measured relative to its population or its economy, the United States spends by far the most in the world on health care.

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That's just it. I know our morals came from humans being social animals.Religion teaches hate and intolerance while societies teach people to get alone for the greater good.
I don't post to you personally. I know your doomed to think the way you do for the rest of your life. Your not worth my time but other people that read these post may be saved from picking the same low road as you have.It is for them I post to you.
Really?“I know our morals came from humans being social animals.” Castro, is a human being and he kept three girls against their will for a decade? Where were his morals? North Korea has the awesome desire to wipe out America... Hitler and his crew had awesome morals right? Stalin has to be your favorite guy hating religion much like you do and slaughtering those who had faith... Great morals right? Humanity has only chosen to give up the world wide practice of slavery just a couple hundred years ago and you state,“I know our morals came from humans being social animals.”

It isn’t logical.

Keep posting and showing your hate for people of religion that spawns from your human morals, and let people choose for them selves.

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WOW crawl out from under that rock.
This country spend more per person (two-and-a-half times more) then countries with one party healthcare systems that cover everyone .The people in these other countries live longer have far less poverty and far lower child morality rates.
Whether measured relative to its population or its economy, the United States spends by far the most in the world on health care.
Under obamacare it is doubling that next year and will skyrocket from there.
Google N.I.C.E.

Learn the truth.

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Under obamacare it is doubling that next year and will skyrocket from there.
Google N.I.C.E.
Learn the truth.
Funny your the god fearing one yet it's the atheist that wants to care for the poor.

Gandhi was right!!!

"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ." - Mahatma Gandhi

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Funny your the god fearing one yet it's the atheist that wants to care for the poor.
Gandhi was right!!!
"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ." - Mahatma Gandhi
What’s funnier is how you avoid answering to your “HUMAN MORALS” and Stalin like attitude hating Christians.

As for Atheists caring for the poor… How many atheists and Atheist organizations are there in America? How much money do they contribute to the poor on an annual basis? How does that amount compare to Christian organizations? To keep it simple let’s just keep the statistics in the USA…
Or are you trying to say that government is atheist and they willing to take the money from Americans to spend on the poor?

Read Gandhi’s statement… It was his OPINION… You obviously hold the same opinion.

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What’s funnier is how you avoid answering to your “HUMAN MORALS” and Stalin like attitude hating Christians.
Right, like feeding the poor and caring for sick people.
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As for Atheists caring for the poor… How many atheists and Atheist organizations are there in America? How much money do they contribute to the poor on an annual basis? How does that amount compare to Christian organizations? To keep it simple let’s just keep the statistics in the USA…

So you want to compare the people of a country that says it is 90% god fearing to the 10% that do not believe in a god? That's like comparing apples to oranges.

Why are most religious states (red states) living off uncle Sam while most blue states support them?



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Or are you trying to say that government is atheist and they willing to take the money from Americans to spend on the poor?
Read Gandhi’s statement… It was his OPINION… You obviously hold the same opinion.
There is only one open atheist in American Congress.

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Right, like feeding the poor and caring for sick people.
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There is only one open atheist in American Congress.
“Right, like feeding the poor and caring for sick people.” Christians do that all the time, and they do it WITHOUT the government.

“There is only one open atheist in American Congress.” You didn’t clarify your point…. So I’ll ask again… How many atheists and Atheist organizations are there in America? How much money do they contribute to the poor on an annual basis? How does that amount compare to Christian organizations? To keep it simple let’s just keep the statistics in the USA…

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Right, like feeding the poor and caring for sick people.
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There is only one open atheist in American Congress.
Christians with God’s love, food, water, clothes, furniture, and tons of supplies are flooding into the State of Oklahoma to help those who were affected by a mammoth tornado; actually defying president Obama’s urging to “step up and donate to the Red Cross”. Is it bad they chose to help without the government forcing them?

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