Civil unions clear Colo. Legislature, head to gov

Mar 12, 2013 Full story: SavannahNow 210

Civil unions for gay couples was a rallying cry for Democrats who took control of the Colorado House in last year's elections and vowed an early vote on the proposal.

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#46 Mar 14, 2013
disaster in the making wrote:
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one more time the couples in the 9 states upon the overturning of DOMA will be granted federal benefits, the 6 states with civil unions will not, did I make that simple enough that even you can understand
and anyone that believes that separate but equal will find out they have been duped
But RIGHT NOW those marriages are separate and unequal; and yet you support them anyways.

What happens if DOMA isn't overturned? Will you STILL support separate and unequal marriage?

I could just as easily say the 8 states with civil unions (not 6) will be equal when the SCOTUS forces them to upgrade to marriage- the so-called "8 state solution".

So RIGHT NOW, you support separate and unequal marriage, while I support BOTH separate and unequal marriage AND civil unions.

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#47 Mar 14, 2013
11 states.

A minor and temporary detail perhaps, but repeal of DOMA would provide equal protection to married same sex couples in 10 states, and 11 if you count those in Ca. who were married anywhere, but only before prop. 8 passes. Even more separate and unequal treatment for the same thing.

Rhode Island recognizes marriages performed in other states and countries, but doesn't issue licenses at home. More unequal treatment of the same thing.

Both the 5th and 14th amendments, as well as Article 4, require equal treatment of all persons under the law.

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Port Richey, FL

#48 Mar 15, 2013
Not Yet Equal wrote:
11 states.
A minor and temporary detail perhaps, but repeal of DOMA would provide equal protection to married same sex couples in 10 states, and 11 if you count those in Ca. who were married anywhere, but only before prop. 8 passes. Even more separate and unequal treatment for the same thing.
Rhode Island recognizes marriages performed in other states and countries, but doesn't issue licenses at home. More unequal treatment of the same thing.
Both the 5th and 14th amendments, as well as Article 4, require equal treatment of all persons under the law.
That is why it is in court, you have a habit of putting the carriage in front of the horse

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#49 Mar 15, 2013
disaster in the making wrote:
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That is why it is in court, you have a habit of putting the carriage in front of the horse
So why won't you ever answer my question?

Do you support the current unequal state marriages?

If DOMA is upheld, will you continue to support unequal state marriages?

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Port Richey, FL

#50 Mar 15, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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So why won't you ever answer my question?
Do you support the current unequal state marriages?
If DOMA is upheld, will you continue to support unequal state marriages?
See post # 43

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#51 Mar 16, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Actually we DID put it up for a vote in Washington, Maine, & Maryland last year and we WON all three votes.
Hmmm, seems we DID have the majority.
Duhhh in Colorado dummy.

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#52 Mar 16, 2013
Tony C wrote:
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Cop-out. Didn't address the substance of the post.
(Not surprised, coming from someone like you.)
What? Polls turning in our favor? What is there to address? What polls? Polls are for the MSNBC fruitcake type.
Substance ... That's funny.

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#53 Mar 16, 2013
disaster in the making wrote:
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See post # 43
Okay, then that means you oppose the CURRENT state marriage laws allowing same-sex couples to marry.

It also means you will have to oppose any marriage for same-sex couples even AFTER DOMA is overturned, because those marriages won't be equally recognized in every state.

Got it.

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#54 Mar 16, 2013
Trolli wrote:
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Duhhh in Colorado dummy.
Duh, I already said it will have to go up for a vote in Colorado to overturn the constitutional ban there.

Duh.

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#55 Mar 16, 2013
Trolli wrote:
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What? Polls turning in our favor? What is there to address? What polls? Polls are for the MSNBC fruitcake type.
Substance ... That's funny.
EVERY poll ever done by ANY organization over the past 20+ years shows a steady increase in support for marriage equality.

EVERY POLL, even those done by notoriously anti-gay organizations like Focus on the Family or Family Research Council or National Organization for Marriage or even Fox News.

EVERY poll shows a steady increase in support over the past 20+ years since they've been polling on this issue.

EVERY poll........

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#56 Mar 16, 2013
disaster in the making wrote:
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NO I oppose separate but equal do you oppose paying attention
Then you must oppose marriage, because that's not equal either.

And won't be even after DOMA is overturned because 40 or so states STILL won't recognize those marriages.

Therefore they won't be equal.

Hmmmmm, now what do you do?......

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#57 Mar 16, 2013
Trolli wrote:
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What? Polls turning in our favor? What is there to address? What polls? Polls are for the MSNBC fruitcake type.
Substance ... That's funny.
Yet another non-answer.

What are you trying to say? You aren't aware of the polls? You think you can disprove the polls? What's your deal?

Try to say something worth reading this time.

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Port Richey, FL

#58 Mar 16, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Okay, then that means you oppose the CURRENT state marriage laws allowing same-sex couples to marry.
It also means you will have to oppose any marriage for same-sex couples even AFTER DOMA is overturned, because those marriages won't be equally recognized in every state.
Got it.
No you don't
After doma is repealed there is still the I think the 3rd article States rites still need to be repealed so the fight continues till total equality is the law of the land I guess to put in the simplest form I'm opposed second class citizenship being first class taxpayers.

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#59 Mar 16, 2013
disaster in the making wrote:
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No you don't
After doma is repealed there is still the I think the 3rd article States rites still need to be repealed so the fight continues till total equality is the law of the land I guess to put in the simplest form I'm opposed second class citizenship being first class taxpayers.
Okay, so then you must oppose any of the current marriage laws for same-sex couples because they DO NOT and WILL NOT provide full equality even after DOMA is repealed.

So it's okay for you to support unequal marriage, but we can't support similarily unequal civil unions?

Bottom line is I support WHATEVER rights & benefits we can get for same-sex couples WHERE EVER we can get them UNTIL we can achieve full marriage equality nationwide.

Once we have full marriage equality nationwide, then there will be no need for civil unions. That said, there may still be people- gay or straight- who would CHOOSE the limited rights & benefits of civil unions because for whatever reason they CHOOSE not to marry. You DO realize there are opposite-sex couples TODAY who choose to get a civil union over a marriage, even though marriage is available to them.

There is no reason they shouldn't have that choice.
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#60 Mar 16, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Okay, so then you must....
Fascinating that you assume to dictate or demand what others think, feel, believe or support, yet would not unreasonably object if someone else dictates or demands how YOU should think, feel, believe or support. Do not even you see the hypocrisy in that?

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#61 Mar 16, 2013
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<quoted text> Fascinating that you assume to dictate or demand what others think, feel, believe or support, yet would not unreasonably object if someone else dictates or demands how YOU should think, feel, believe or support. Do not even you see the hypocrisy in that?
I see you feel a need to make a fool of yourself once again. That's what happens when you jump into the middle of a conversation others are having.

I was pointing out her hypocrisy for criticising my support of civil unions as well as marriage because civil unions are "separate and unequal", while she supports only marriage which is also currently "separate and unequal".

Understand now asshat?

“equality for ALL means ALL”

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#62 Mar 16, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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I see you feel a need to make a fool of yourself once again. That's what happens when you jump into the middle of a conversation others are having.
I was pointing out her hypocrisy for criticising my support of civil unions as well as marriage because civil unions are "separate and unequal", while she supports only marriage which is also currently "separate and unequal".
Understand now asshat?
He has always been an asshat. I had no trouble following what you were doing there.
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La Puente, CA

#63 Mar 16, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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I see you feel a need to make a fool of yourself once again. That's what happens when you jump into the middle of a conversation others are having.
I was pointing out her hypocrisy for criticising my support of civil unions as well as marriage because civil unions are "separate and unequal", while she supports only marriage which is also currently "separate and unequal".
Understand now asshat?
Ah, you missed the point again! Amazing.
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La Puente, CA

#64 Mar 16, 2013
But at least you support civil unions while negating the intelligence of that by insisting on being unequal. By the way, we agree that (specifically) will not ever be equal in any way. Congratulations.
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La Puente, CA

#65 Mar 16, 2013
Typo. Should read, "... that you (specifically) will not ever be equal..." That, of course, has absolutely nothing to do with your orientation.

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