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#11201 Dec 13, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
It seems the Republicans are becoming more like Democrats, unwilling to stop the growth of government and restore small federal government and big citizens. Can you believe, the Republicans voted to fund Obamacare?
Our government is doing this to us, why do we let them?
Because they don't understand what will happen to THEM if the government doesn't control their spending. Just like they didn't believe Obamacare was bad until they started finding out what it was going to cost THEM personally. I read an article yesterday right on the Yahoo homepage about the number of millennials moving away from the Democratic party because of the "bait and switch" of Obamacare. The young people have always been the group the Democrats could count on and it's weakening. My old boss used to say if you're in your 20's and your not a liberal you have no heart. If you're in your 40's and you're still a liberal you have no brain. Looks like he might have been wrong. It would appear a lot of them can do the math and it doesn't add up to anything close to affordable.

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#11202 Dec 14, 2013
guest wrote:
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Show us a link showing Conservative groups COULD NOT operate as tax free while waiting for tax free application approval from the IRS.
http://www.aei.org/article/economics/yes-irs-...
Post your contrary link.

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#11203 Dec 14, 2013
KarlVIIIII wrote:
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WWW.KARLVIIII.COM
Another broken link... What a surprise.

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#11204 Dec 14, 2013
KarlVIIIII wrote:
Brian, the logical moderate Republicans have began to see the error of their ways...The smart ones watch polls listen to the Majority of the American people and want to govern...The MINORITY tea party extremists have seen their last days...
Mark my words the tea party will be all but dead in 2014!
As the Democrats have moved to the far left, the Republicans have moved toward the middle. I love democracy, we're seeing how big government, wasteful massive government spending, intrusive regulations and higher taxes harm all citizens. Getting stuff for free from the government is fun but not sustainable.
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#11205 Dec 15, 2013

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#11206 Dec 15, 2013
guest wrote:
Thank you for posting information that is proving my point further...

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB1000142...

Please post another!
guest

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#11207 Dec 15, 2013
Respect71 wrote:
<quoted text>Thank you for posting information that is proving my point further...

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB1000142...

Please post another!
"The IRS does not require a 501(c)(4) organization to wait for official recognition of its exempt status from the IRS before it can get to work. In fact, organizations need not file an application at all — though, organizations that do not file applications may be required to later complete a questionnaire."

That made my point clear. I guess you don't understand what you are reading.

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#11208 Dec 15, 2013
guest wrote:
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"The IRS does not require a 501(c)(4) organization to wait for official recognition of its exempt status from the IRS before it can get to work. In fact, organizations need not file an application at all — though, organizations that do not file applications may be required to later complete a questionnaire."
That made my point clear. I guess you don't understand what you are reading.
Did you read what I posted? Did you even read what you posted?

Your post provided this list which supports the articles I posted:
public recognition of exempt status (which can be helpful for fundraising purposes),
eligibility for nonprofit mailing privileges,
exemption from certain state level taxes,
the peace of mind factor giving the organization the assurance that it qualifies for exemption and wont be required to pay back taxes if the IRS later decides it doesnt qualify for exemption.

Do you deny these facts? Because 3 years to wait for approval and not only that the fact they were approved after the election is damning... Now post something else that shows the groups could have done what they wanted without the status or you can just concede.

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#11209 Dec 15, 2013
Respect71 wrote:
<quoted text>
Thank you for posting information that is proving my point further...
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB1000142...
Please post another!
Aren't Wall Street Journal and Fox News, both owned by the Australian, Rupert Murdoch? Kinda hurt's their validity and honesty, does'nt it?

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#11210 Dec 15, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
<quoted text>Aren't Wall Street Journal and Fox News, both owned by the Australian, Rupert Murdoch? Kinda hurt's their validity and honesty, does'nt it?
Read the first post.
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#11211 Dec 15, 2013
Respect71 wrote:
<quoted text>Did you read what I posted? Did you even read what you posted?

Your post provided this list which supports the articles I posted:
public recognition of exempt status (which can be helpful for fundraising purposes),
eligibility for nonprofit mailing privileges,
exemption from certain state level taxes,
the “peace of mind” factor – giving the organization the assurance that it qualifies for exemption and won’t be required to pay back taxes if the IRS later decides it doesn’t qualify for exemption.

Do you deny these facts? Because 3 years to wait for approval and not only that the fact they were approved after the election is damning... Now post something else that shows the groups could have done what they wanted without the status or you can just concede.
You posted an opinion piece and expect it to be accepted as fact.

Even the IRS backs up my point.
Hear it from them by calling 1-877-829-5500

All of this information is available on the IRS website, even form 8871 that political groups wanting tax exempt status must fill out.

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#11212 Dec 15, 2013
guest wrote:
<quoted text>You posted an opinion piece and expect it to be accepted as fact.

Even the IRS backs up my point.
Hear it from them by calling 1-877-829-5500

All of this information is available on the IRS website, even form 8871 that political groups wanting tax exempt status must fill out.
It was a study... Not opinion. The numbers are recorded, if you're going to deny fact, and post nothing else then concede.

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#11214 Dec 16, 2013
guest wrote:
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Says Opinion right at the top of the page in your link. The rules for those groups on the IRS site should be enough proof for anyone with half a brain. That doesn't say much about you though.
In my first post it was an aticle about:a new research paper, Andreas Madestam (from Stockholm University), Daniel Shoag and David Yanagizawa-Drott (both from the Harvard Kennedy School), and I set out to find out how much impact the Tea Party had on voter turnout in the 2010 election.
Did you read it?

READ THE STUDY that provides FACTS:
http://www.aei.org/files/2012/12/18/-veuger-t...

Did you read your posted BLOG? The very 1st point of advantage is disable because of status.

So either you are very ignorant or you just support your side using the IRS to help give your side a political advantage.

Hearings continue over this matter.
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#11215 Dec 16, 2013
Respect71 wrote:
<quoted text>In my first post it was an aticle about:“a new research paper, Andreas Madestam (from Stockholm University), Daniel Shoag and David Yanagizawa-Drott (both from the Harvard Kennedy School), and I set out to find out how much impact the Tea Party had on voter turnout in the 2010 election.”
Did you read it?

READ THE STUDY that provides FACTS:
http://www.aei.org/files/2012/12/18/-veuger-t...

Did you read your posted BLOG? The very 1st point of advantage is disable because of status.

So either you are very ignorant or you just support your side using the IRS to help give your side a political advantage.

Hearings continue over this matter.
According to the forms for filing for tax free status you can continue to operate until the application is processed. You act like I'm making this up but I gave you the links and form numbers so you could go check for yourself yet all you seem to want to do is ignore anything that doesn't fit your agenda.
Yes, money is being wasted by Issa and nothing will come from it. Not one conservative group was denied tax free status. Do you think the IRS should rubber stamp approval on everyone that applies for tax free status or should they do their job and verify applicants?
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#11216 Dec 16, 2013
Respect71 wrote:
<quoted text>Thank you for posting information that is proving my point further...

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB1000142...

Please post another!
Looks like an opinion piece to me.

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#11217 Dec 16, 2013
guest wrote:
<quoted text>
Looks like an opinion piece to me.
On a website owned by Rupert Murdoch.....nothing fishy about that....lol....

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#11218 Dec 16, 2013
guest wrote:
<quoted text>
According to the forms for filing for tax free status you can continue to operate until the application is processed. You act like I'm making this up but I gave you the links and form numbers so you could go check for yourself yet all you seem to want to do is ignore anything that doesn't fit your agenda.
Yes, money is being wasted by Issa and nothing will come from it. Not one conservative group was denied tax free status. Do you think the IRS should rubber stamp approval on everyone that applies for tax free status or should they do their job and verify applicants?
I see what youre doing... How did I miss this?
The question is not if tax free status you can continue to operate until the application is processed. which took three years plus in most cases, the issue is did it effect tea part organizations adversely or negatively... The answer base on what I posted to you and you refuse to read is yes.

So either you are very ignorant or you just support your side using the IRS to help give your side a political advantage.

Hearings continue over this matter.

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#11219 Dec 16, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
<quoted text> On a website owned by Rupert Murdoch.....nothing fishy about that....lol....
You dont read anything I post do you... Lick on the following:

http://www.aei.org/files/2012/12/18/-veuger-t...

AEI is officially nonpartisan and its website includes a statement on political advocacy. NOT OWNED BY Rupert Murdoch. But good to know you lie like the rest of your party.

At least youre all being consistent.
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#11220 Dec 16, 2013
Respect71 wrote:
<quoted text>I see what you’re doing... How did I miss this?
The question is not if “tax free status you can continue to operate until the application is processed.”
That has been my whole point from the beginning. Go back and re-read my postings in our discussions in this thread.
No one stopped those groups from operating while waiting for their tax free approval from the IRS. They could continue to operate AS tax free groups while waiting approval. No one stopped them from doing anything unless they chose to do so on their own.

You missed this because if your poor debating skills and your narrow minded views. Sometimes you need to be a little more open minded to see the big picture.
So do you now agree that groups awaiting tax free status approval could continue to operate as tax free until their application was approved?

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#11221 Dec 16, 2013
guest wrote:
<quoted text>That has been my whole point from the beginning. Go back and re-read my postings in our discussions in this thread.
No one stopped those groups from operating while waiting for their tax free approval from the IRS. They could continue to operate AS tax free groups while waiting approval. No one stopped them from doing anything unless they chose to do so on their own.

You missed this because if your poor debating skills and your narrow minded views. Sometimes you need to be a little more open minded to see the big picture.
So do you now agree that groups awaiting tax free status approval could continue to operate as tax free until their application was approved?
The question is not if “tax free status you can continue to operate until the application is processed.” which took three years plus in most cases, the issue is did it effect tea part organizations adversely or negatively... The answer base on what I posted to you and you refuse to read is yes.

So either you are very ignorant or you just support your side using the IRS to help give your side a political advantage.

Hearings continue over this matter.

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