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#10202 Dec 18, 2012
Respect71 wrote:
<quoted text>
You said,“The individual mandate is constitutional because of powers granted to Congress under the General Welfare Clause and the Commerce Clause.” Lie or ignorant?
The mandate is no longer, NOW the IRS takes it from you if you don’t have health insurance, effectively removing the responsibility from the citizen and allowing government to do it.
Socialist
READ and LEARN

I know the tea party handbook for dummy's won't tell you the TRUTH but here it is:

General Welfare Clause/Commerce Clause. The power to tax and spend for general welfare is one of the broadest powers in the Constitution. Experts, including the nonpartisan Congressional Research Service and Mark A. Hall of Wake Forest, agree that requiring individuals to have health insurance by levying a tax and using the revenue to fund health benefits is well within the rights of Congress granted by the Constitution. And was deemed Constitutional on June 28, 2010 by the Supreme Court by a vote of 5-4

http://health.newamerica.net/blogposts/2010/c...

Therefore the Affordable Care Act is by all means CONSTITUTIONAL and not Socialistic in any manner as our Constitution is not a Socialistic economic tool.

Twist and distort to your little hearts content but America wins and Country loving Patriots WIN

tea party societal rejects LOSE

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#10205 Dec 19, 2012
VisionXIIX wrote:
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Individual opinions (spelled correctly) do not mean a thing THE RULING 5-4 is all that matters.
The law is constitutional like it or not
tea party puppet....SAD truly SAD
I see so you were lying… Trying to make the mandate seem as though it was approved by the Supreme Court? It does “mean a thing” because your party and the leadership is trying to do to defy the constitution. The mandate and birth control… Imposing socialism.
The law was found constitutional by IMPOSING a tax upon citizens (middle-class and below mostly very young and starting out) NOT to mention NUMEROUS other taxes on property, investments ect… and you’re okay with that?

I am not sorry that free thinking Americans get in the way of your socialist agenda.

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#10206 Dec 19, 2012
Respect71 wrote:
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I see so you were lying… Trying to make the mandate seem as though it was approved by the Supreme Court? It does “mean a thing” because your party and the leadership is trying to do to defy the constitution. The mandate and birth control… Imposing socialism.
The law was found constitutional by IMPOSING a tax upon citizens (middle-class and below mostly very young and starting out) NOT to mention NUMEROUS other taxes on property, investments ect… and you’re okay with that?
I am not sorry that free thinking Americans get in the way of your socialist agenda.
You do not read all that well or you are deliberately being obtuse or you are just a dumbed down tea party puppet. My guess is all three

General Welfare Clause/Commerce Clause. The power to tax and spend for general welfare is one of the broadest powers in the Constitution. Requiring individuals to have health insurance by levying a tax and using the revenue to fund health benefits is well within the rights of Congress granted by the Constitution.

What part do you not understand

I'm not sorry you are so incredibly dumbed down, it takes all kinds....HA

I'm okay with the law Presidents going far back as 100 years have been trying to get healthcare for ALL American citizens and now we have succeeded. Like always to get something done in this country it takes the Democrats.

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#10207 Dec 19, 2012
VisionXIIX wrote:
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You do not read all that well or you are deliberately being obtuse or you are just a dumbed down tea party puppet. My guess is all three
General Welfare Clause/Commerce Clause. The power to tax and spend for general welfare is one of the broadest powers in the Constitution. Requiring individuals to have health insurance by levying a tax and using the revenue to fund health benefits is well within the rights of Congress granted by the Constitution.
What part do you not understand
I'm not sorry you are so incredibly dumbed down, it takes all kinds....HA
I'm okay with the law Presidents going far back as 100 years have been trying to get healthcare for ALL American citizens and now we have succeeded. Like always to get something done in this country it takes the Democrats.
Truthfully, it’s you who doesn’t understand.
The individual mandate was found UNCONSTITUTIONAL by the Supreme Court. This is fact… Then you lied and said,“,“The individual mandate is constitutional because of powers granted to Congress under the General Welfare Clause and the Commerce Clause.” You’re losing more credibility with each post.

“I'm okay with the law Presidents going far back as 100 years have been trying to get healthcare for ALL American citizens and now we have succeeded. Like always to get something done in this country it takes the Democrats.” Of course you do because you think health care is a right and that makes you a socialist. Health care for ALL provided by government removes liberty from individual Americans… The government is supposed to protect our rights and now they are being stripped and cloaked as compassionate… This is not opinion, this is exemplified in all socialist counties… Google N.I.C.E.

Must be so simple to NOT think and let your party do it for you.

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#10208 Dec 19, 2012
Respect71 wrote:
<quoted text>

The individual mandate was found UNCONSTITUTIONAL by the Supreme Court. This is fact…
Are you really this stupid, just incredibly stubborn or a dumbed down tea party puppet

OBVIOUSLY ALL THREE.....

Here from a right wing NUT JOB website, FOR THE LAST TIME

The Supreme Court delivered its decision on the controversial “individual mandate” embedded in President Obama’s landmark healthcare bill, ruling that it is constitutional.

https://thedaleygator.wordpress.com/2012/06/2...

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#10210 Dec 19, 2012
Busty Miss wrote:
Hi, Karl. Isn't our weather interesting today?
:)
Hi Busty,

I love it

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#10214 Dec 19, 2012
VisionXIIX wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you really this stupid, just incredibly stubborn or a dumbed down tea party puppet
OBVIOUSLY ALL THREE.....
Here from a right wing NUT JOB website, FOR THE LAST TIME
The Supreme Court delivered its decision on the controversial “individual mandate” embedded in President Obama’s landmark healthcare bill, ruling that it is constitutional.
https://thedaleygator.wordpress.com/2012/06/2...

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#10215 Dec 19, 2012
Respect71 wrote:
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The law was found constitutional ONLY by IMPOSING a tax upon citizens (middle-class and below mostly very young and starting out)
Exactly, I think you are beginning to catch on The Individual Mandate was deemed CONSTITUTIONAL as a TAX
Respect71 wrote:
<quoted text>
NOT to mention NUMEROUS other taxes on property, investments ect… and you’re okay with that FACT?
Yes, absolutely. I do not mind paying more taxes as long as Americans have health insurance. Simply because I have been paying anyway through higher insurance premiums.

You right wing radicals like to paint the world black and white but there are many shades of gray you ignore (conveniently)

“If you can't beat um join um”

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Under the troll bridge

#10216 Dec 19, 2012
VisionXIIX wrote:
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Exactly, I think you are beginning to catch on The Individual Mandate was deemed CONSTITUTIONAL as a TAX
<quoted text>
Yes, absolutely. I do not mind paying more taxes as long as Americans have health insurance. Simply because I have been paying anyway through higher insurance premiums.
You right wing radicals like to paint the world black and white but there are many shades of gray you ignore (conveniently)
Read the ruling Karl. It was unconstitutional as a mandate. It was deemed unconstitutional under the interstate commerce clause. The Supremes then overstepped their power and changed the mandate to a tax and declared the exact thing they just called unconstitutional as constitutional under the alteration they made to the bill. The Supremes are not supposed to re-write law but only interpret it.
ONE MORE TIME Karl. It was deemed unconstitutional as a MANDATE under the Interstate Commerce clause. That would be like Socialism. Then they called it a TAX and said the same exact thing was ok as a TAX.

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#10217 Dec 19, 2012
VisionXIIX wrote:
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Exactly, I think you are beginning to catch on The Individual Mandate was deemed CONSTITUTIONAL as a TAX
<quoted text>
Yes, absolutely. I do not mind paying more taxes as long as Americans have health insurance. Simply because I have been paying anyway through higher insurance premiums.
You right wing radicals like to paint the world black and white but there are many shades of gray you ignore (conveniently)
“Exactly, I think you are beginning to catch on The Individual Mandate was deemed CONSTITUTIONAL as a TAX” EXATLY! No longer a mandate BECAUSE it was UNCONSTITUTIONAL… Which is how they sold it, but now it's a TAX which is what Obama pledged NOT to do. LIAR? And you’re okay with this HUGE middle-class and poor TAX hike?

“Yes, absolutely. I do not mind paying more taxes as long as Americans have health insurance. Simply because I have been paying anyway through higher insurance premiums.” Now you will get the best of BOTH worlds because mandating “pre-existing conditions” will make your premiums skyrocket, and more taxes which mean less of your own earning go to you… which means you are a advocate of socialism. Oh and did you google N.I.C.E.? That’s an economic inevitability.

“You right wing radicals like to paint the world black and white but there are many shades of gray you ignore (conveniently)” There is nothing radical about life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, and of course there is grey but not when there isn’t which progressive liberals always try to pain grey based on their feelings.

“Its Eaiser to fool people than”

Since: Sep 11

convince them they are a fool

#10218 Dec 20, 2012
Forget the fiscal crisis, Obama's plans threaten our American spirit

By Jon Kraushar

Published December 11, 2012

FoxNews.com

America faces a philosophical "cliff" even more dangerous than the impending "fiscal cliff."

The highest stake in the game of chicken between President Obama and the Republicans isn’t money—it is mindset.

Throughout its history, America has been richer or poorer in money. But what has made our country so exceptional, from its founding, has been a constant store of philosophical wealth. In America, a person’s wealth (whether material or spiritual) used to be defined by a dedication to the virtue of striving.

What made every American great was a belief in potential—a belief that there are no limits to what an individual can produce for him (or her) self, instead of relying on a government to give away, take away and redistribute. It was a belief that abundance is virtually limitless in human capability, but it is unvirtuously limited by big government.

President Obama is trying to transform America from a society of aspiration to a society of envy.

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In Obama’s new abnormal America, the national diet for many citizens is changing from high fiber ambition for upward mobility to high fat consumption of an ever-expanding gravy boat of entitlements, ladled out by ceaseless government spending.

As The Heritage Foundation points out,“Today, more people than ever before—67.3 million Americans, from college students to retirees to welfare beneficiaries—depend on the federal government for housing, food, income, student aid, or other assistance once considered to be the responsibility of individuals, families, neighborhoods, churches, and other civil society institutions.”

Federal entitlements consume 62 percent of federal outlays—the highest level in our nation’s history. The Declaration of Independence that created America is being distorted into a Declaration of Dependency encouraged by President Obama. This is not just a crisis of the wallet. It is a crisis of the soul.

What is happening now—the way in which Mr. Obama really wants to “fundamentally transform America”—is that he wants to use the fiscal cliff to propel us over a far more perilous philosophical cliff, which is bottomless in its destructive depth.

I can only conclude that the president is trying to transform America from a society of aspiration to a society of envy—and if that happens, America risks falling into a philosophical poverty that could starve our country’s uniqueness to death.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/12/11/for ...

“Its Eaiser to fool people than”

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convince them they are a fool

#10219 Dec 20, 2012
VisionXIIX wrote:
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Exactly, I think you are beginning to catch on The Individual Mandate was deemed CONSTITUTIONAL as a TAX
<quoted text>
Yes, absolutely. I do not mind paying more taxes as long as Americans have health insurance. Simply because I have been paying anyway through higher insurance premiums.
You right wing radicals like to paint the world black and white but there are many shades of gray you ignore (conveniently)
Heres some gray for ya..More people unemployed means less people paying taxes and in to our already fragile system.

Number of Americans seeking unemployment aid rises

Published December 20, 2012

Associated Press

The number of Americans applying for unemployment benefits rose last week by 17,000, reversing four weeks of declines. But the number of people seeking aid is consistent with a job market that continues to grow modestly.

Unemployment claims rose the week of Dec. 15 to a seasonally adjusted 361,000 from a revised 344,000 the week before.

The less-volatile four-week moving average fell 13,750 to 367,750, lowest since late October. Applications had surged in early November after Superstorm Sandy, then dropped back.

Just over 5.4 million people were receiving some type of unemployment benefit the week ended Dec. 1, down from nearly 7.2 million a year earlier.

Applications are a proxy for layoffs. So the drop of the four-week average suggests that companies are cutting fewer jobs, even if they aren't hiring enough to lower the unemployment rate significantly. The economy has generated an average of 151,000 jobs a month in 2012, not enough to significantly drive down high unemployment.

The unemployment rate did drop to a four-year low of 7.7 percent in November from 7.9 percent in October. But the rate fell mostly because unemployed people gave up looking for work. The government counts people as unemployed only if they're actively seeking jobs.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/12/20/nu...
The Infantile left Winged

Redding, CA

#10221 Dec 20, 2012
Busty Miss wrote:
Four more years of Snippy's rantings.
He must be using some really low quality not so nice buds.
I found a perfect definition of you!
buttsy missed!
1. A person that is a total moron and doesn't think before he/she speaks or acts.
2. One with an undescribeable idiocy, hence stupidity, poor idea of what's cool, possibly an arrogance about them.
3. One with an intolerable personality.
4. Personified by a Troll named Eniquity, that constantly trolls Darkpear forums, random smack talking emo n00b, filled with a false sense of self worth

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#10224 Dec 20, 2012
Respect71 wrote:
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There is nothing radical about life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
So do you consider the Constitution a Living Document and our form of Government an experiment, allowing policies to change in order to meet the greater good of the people?

“Its Eaiser to fool people than”

Since: Sep 11

convince them they are a fool

#10225 Dec 20, 2012
VisionXIIX wrote:
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So do you consider the Constitution a Living Document and our form of Government an experiment, allowing policies to change in order to meet the greater good of the people?
Not un voted changes like obama wants to make.
sociopathic Liberals

Chico, CA

#10227 Dec 20, 2012
Busty Miss wrote:
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Stop trying to suck up to Sniper. Your constant attempts to show him how much you love him is gross.
As far as your 1-4 comments, perhaps if you actually knew anything....well, that is just impossible.
No sucking up to anyone! Just describing the real you! LOL
sociopathic Liberals

Chico, CA

#10229 Dec 20, 2012
Busty Miss wrote:
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As you aren't even real, your describing anything is impossible.
You are in love with Sniper. You dream about him constantly and wish he would return your love.
I shall describe you...
shallow, cold, heartless, callous, uneducated, ill-informed, rude, and best of all, stupid as hell!
But... hey stupid! On the other thread you just said that I am sniper!!!
So the evidence is really leaning towards, it is you who is the one who is...
shallow, cold, heartless, callous, uneducated, ill-informed, rude, and best of all, stupid as hell!

And the funniest part of those like you? You idiots just don't know when to stop making complete idiots out of yourselves!!! LMAO

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#10230 Dec 20, 2012
sociopathic Liberals wrote:
<quoted text>
But... hey stupid! On the other thread you just said that I am sniper!!!
So the evidence is really leaning towards, it is you who is the one who is...
shallow, cold, heartless, callous, uneducated, ill-informed, rude, and best of all, stupid as hell!
And the funniest part of those like you? You idiots just don't know when to stop making complete idiots out of yourselves!!! LMAO
High scoring, somewhat sociopathic Presidents?

Teddy Roosevelt, JFK, FDR, Reagan, Bill Clinton, George Bush Jr.

Low scoring, less sociopathic Presidents?

Among others, Herbert Hoover and Harry Truman.

PS: sniper has so many sock puppets it's hard to keep up.

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#10233 Dec 20, 2012
VisionXIIX wrote:
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So do you consider the Constitution a Living Document and our form of Government an experiment, allowing policies to change in order to meet the greater good of the people?
“So do you consider the Constitution a Living Document” The U.S. Constitution is living in the sense there is the ability to make amendments with strong Congressional procedures to do so. This is why there are few amendments… The U.S. Constitution are the words that are contained within, and NOT what we hope or change their meaning to suit our personal desires.

“and our form of Government an experiment, allowing policies to change in order to meet the greater good of the people?” Our government should be for the people by the people, however it’s slowly achieving it’s own powers and removing liberties from Americans. OBAMACARE is a law that is very effective and a great example of this.

The fact that Dems passed a law with a “individual mandate” to force Americans to buy something WITH OUT CHOICE, should have been your first clue… It could not withstand our constitutional rights and failed, and as a result is a tax for the middle and lower classes, which our president said he wouldn’t do… Liar?

Again, there is nothing radical about life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

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#10234 Dec 20, 2012
Jammercolo wrote:
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High scoring, somewhat sociopathic Presidents?
Teddy Roosevelt, JFK, FDR, Reagan, Bill Clinton, George Bush Jr.
Low scoring, less sociopathic Presidents?
Among others, Herbert Hoover and Harry Truman.
PS: sniper has so many sock puppets it's hard to keep up.
Based on what criteria?

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