Republicans the party of LIARS

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Denver, CO

#9687 Nov 30, 2012
The Troll Doll wrote:
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Really? Pot, kettle black? As I recall you are the one who habitually gets so angry that your name calling rants get you banned. How many times now? I've not seen Respect get banned yet.
I scrolled up to see what the conversation was about when you all were on tract. Loll Excuse me but is respect stating that our federal government owned 63% of some auto business? Loll...I'm very sorry about the Loll's but if that is what you have been dealing with Karl...LOLLLLLLL :):)
If I may I'd like to say that is not a statement that is worth getting angry about. it is a statement that would lead me to find someone else to discuss politics with Loll Perhaps I misunderstood (and I hope I did) If so then I apologize. loll:):)

“If you can't beat um join um”

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Since: Jun 11

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#9688 Nov 30, 2012
Kawalski wrote:
<quoted text>I scrolled up to see what the conversation was about when you all were on tract. Loll Excuse me but is respect stating that our federal government owned 63% of some auto business? Loll...I'm very sorry about the Loll's but if that is what you have been dealing with Karl...LOLLLLLLL :):)
If I may I'd like to say that is not a statement that is worth getting angry about. it is a statement that would lead me to find someone else to discuss politics with Loll Perhaps I misunderstood (and I hope I did) If so then I apologize. loll:):)
When the government took over GN they became the proud owners of 63% of the stock in GM. Bought and paid for with taxpayer money. Not too long ago over half of that stock was sold back to GM at a loss. A loss to the taxpayers of course. You might want to do a little more research and a little less LOLing. I know it sounds ridiculous. I know it goes against everything this country stands for. It happened.

“If you can't beat um join um”

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Since: Jun 11

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#9689 Nov 30, 2012
Oops, long day. That's GM not GN

“Its Eaiser to fool people than”

Since: Sep 11

convince them they are a fool

#9690 Nov 30, 2012
karl47 wrote:
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Troll,
If only what you stated was true. Current federal tax burden of Corporations/business in the US pay less than 10% of the revenues. In the 40s and 50s they paid up to about 40% of overall revenues.
As a share of revenues they have gotten over a 75% tax REDUCTION since about 1960. Are they hiring more? Are they paying more?
We need to close tax loopholes for big corporations and cut spending in ALL governmental agencies not just social programs.
I realize there are millions who abuse the social safety nets but there are also corporations who abuse the tax code
We need reform all the way around. And everyone should pay their fare share the wealthy should pay the same tax rate as someone making $40,000 yearly and corporations should not have tax loopholes that have them essentially paying little or no taxes.
Karl,,Now this is funny..Here you obamazombies say everyone should pay their fair share but you fail to mention what contribution the obamanation of welfare obamazombies will pay ?

Im curious Karl, What is their "Fair" share ?

Lets just start with the ones that voted for him ? What will those people contribute per year in Taxes and new tax hikes ?

What is the calculation for taxing free money, free obamafones ,obamanet and utility assistance Karl ?

“If you can't beat um join um”

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Since: Jun 11

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#9691 Nov 30, 2012
Sniper II wrote:
<quoted text>Karl,,Now this is funny..Here you obamazombies say everyone should pay their fair share but you fail to mention what contribution the obamanation of welfare obamazombies will pay ?
Im curious Karl, What is their "Fair" share ?
Lets just start with the ones that voted for him ? What will those people contribute per year in Taxes and new tax hikes ?
What is the calculation for taxing free money, free obamafones ,obamanet and utility assistance Karl ?
Yup! 63% of Obamas votes came from people on the dole.

Like I always say.......when you rob Peter to pay Paul you will always have the support of Paul.

The losers elected Obama. We are in SO much trouble.

“Its Eaiser to fool people than”

Since: Sep 11

convince them they are a fool

#9694 Dec 1, 2012
karl47 wrote:
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You have been asked numerous times to show your source of this misinformation!
AGAIN and AGAIN how many people on welfare voted for Romney
What do you mean Karl ? Its been on the news for weeks now. Do you mean was there an actual article or was is a statistical comment you wanted or what do you mean ? Its been mentioned on the news repeatedly since the vote count. You toss out lots of ridicules stats without a link or proof of any type of statement link or article and you want to argue about this ? Its a fact Karl. And there were 6 million new first time voters all on welfare too karl.Its the only way obama won. Its what did it..All voted for obama. He had so many propaganda "Vote for me for freebies" pages Karl. He had them all over topix too..It was sickening..And now you get what you voted for. You seem kinda disgruntled about it too. We warned you how it would go.

And Now obummbler wants to let the tax cuts expire, raise taxes on the middle class and go in to a deeper recession, while people are homeless because of Sandy,,and yet obama sends out a press briefing on his up coming vacation to Hawaii.. And why did he golf the other day instead of working on getting homes for the flood victims.

Ask your king "when will he care about the people" ?

You voted for that Krap..He golfed,,,,,people are asking where he is after his Kodak tour ?
The Infantile left Winged

Minden, NV

#9695 Dec 1, 2012
Kawalski wrote:
<quoted text>I know something about you. You can't refrain from letting people get you angry enough to start bad mouthing them. That type of response comes from anger and a lack of intelligence to come up with a valid answer.
Sorry karl the marxi9st, but you are like all liberals... WRONG!
I'm not angry! I'm disgusted by you and your professional lying, victim and plain o'l robbing ilk!
Big difference there!!!

And I'm plenty intelligent enough to see exactly what you lying and thieving liberals are all about!!!

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#9696 Dec 1, 2012
karl47 wrote:
<quoted text>Owning stock and owning a company two completely different things and you know it

When will you righties begin to be truthful
3+ years of 62% stock is ownership with all the power in the federal government's control. Obama fired the CEO because of the government ownership. This is fact.

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Since: Jun 11

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#9697 Dec 1, 2012
karl47 wrote:
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Owning stock and owning a company two completely different things and you know it
When will you righties begin to be truthful
Tell us Karl. Who owns a company if it's not the shareholders?
No wonder you're so confused..........

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#9699 Dec 1, 2012
karl47 wrote:
The U.S. government does NOT own a car company the stock is public, the U.S. tax payer owns 26% of G.M.'s STOCK

GM is primarily owned by investors, the Canadian government and the United Auto Workers' Voluntary Employment Benefits Association (healthcare trust).

http://autos.aol.com/article/gm-2011-sharehol...

HOW MANY TIMES MUST WE GO OVER THIS.....
Apparently a great deal since you can't seem to grasp the concept of what actually happened. Facts are facts little guy and our president imposed socialism and lost Americans billions and billions of dollars. This is only the beginning wait till OBAMACARE kicks in it will be a huge lost for all Americans.

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Since: Jun 11

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#9700 Dec 1, 2012
karl47 wrote:
The U.S. government does NOT own a car company the stock is public, the U.S. tax payer owns 26% of G.M.'s STOCK
GM is primarily owned by investors, the Canadian government and the United Auto Workers' Voluntary Employment Benefits Association (healthcare trust).
http://autos.aol.com/article/gm-2011-sharehol...
HOW MANY TIMES MUST WE GO OVER THIS.....
Explain please how the U.S. tax payer came to own 26% of GM's stock if the government did not take over ownership of GM?

“I think therefore I...forgot!!”

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Since: Nov 12

Denver, CO

#9702 Dec 1, 2012
The Troll Doll wrote:
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When the government took over GN they became the proud owners of 63% of the stock in GM. Bought and paid for with taxpayer money. Not too long ago over half of that stock was sold back to GM at a loss. A loss to the taxpayers of course. You might want to do a little more research and a little less LOLing. I know it sounds ridiculous. I know it goes against everything this country stands for. It happened.
Loll:):) I'm actually going to try to search this....I'm sorry but I can't even begin to think of how I would do a search for this. I'm afraid you will have to do the search. If it happened you will find it because people would have been arrested or...It simply can not be done!!! Perhaps someone was giving you an example of something or making an analogy. The USA government can not own or operate a for profit business. It would be impossible to even try such a thing. I think someone was telling you that by bailing out auto makers it is almost as if...such and such. Could that be the case?

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Since: Jun 11

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#9703 Dec 1, 2012
karl47 wrote:
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THE Government BOUGHT STOCK....using stimulus funds, and guess what it WORKED the economy would have completely crashed in Detroit and other auto manufacturing states. Millions would have lost their jobs, homes EVERYTHING....But I'm sure you do not care about those Americans as you have your two bit cashier job.
Yes, the government bought stock. They originally bought 63% of the stock. 63% gave them a controlling interest which means they TOOK OVER!

That did NOT save the auto industry. It postponed the demise of GM. Had GM gone through a regular, legal, bankruptcy they would have been allowed to renegotiate union contracts and pensions guaranteeing their ability to exist long term. Instead, the union contracts that are pricing them out of business remained intact. In approximately 10 years they will be in exactly the same situation they were facing before. Had they gone through a normal bankruptcy, like the airlines have, they would have emerged stronger Only the original shareholders lost instead of everyone involved. Did anyone have shares of GM in one or more of the mutual funds in your 401k? If so you lost twice. First you lost money in your retirement account and second you lost money that you paid in taxes that was wasted. Spent to keep the Autoworkers union on Obama's list of supporters. Corruption at it's finest.

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#9704 Dec 1, 2012
Kawalski wrote:
<quoted text>Loll:):) I'm actually going to try to search this....I'm sorry but I can't even begin to think of how I would do a search for this. I'm afraid you will have to do the search. If it happened you will find it because people would have been arrested or...It simply can not be done!!! Perhaps someone was giving you an example of something or making an analogy. The USA government can not own or operate a for profit business. It would be impossible to even try such a thing. I think someone was telling you that by bailing out auto makers it is almost as if...such and such. Could that be the case?
I'm taking a short break from decorating the Christmas tree so I don't have time to search right now. Why don't you start with the article Karl posted. Then I can't be accused of posting some right wing propaganda, lol. The article discusses the FACT that the government bought shares, has sold some, still owns some. How's that?
http://autos.aol.com/article/gm-2011-sharehol...
Yes, it should have been impossible. Yes, it happened anyway. Kinda like the old USSR right?

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#9705 Dec 1, 2012
karl47 wrote:
<quoted text>THE Government BOUGHT STOCK....using stimulus funds, and guess what it WORKED the economy would have completely crashed in Detroit and other auto manufacturing states. Millions would have lost their jobs, homes EVERYTHING....But I'm sure you do not care about those Americans as you have your two bit cashier job.
Worked? Billions of dollars lost, companies sold overseas, and major car bands gone. You seem to be delusional. Facts are facts no matter how bad it makes you feel.

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#9707 Dec 2, 2012
karl47 wrote:
<quoted text>Yes "worked" millions of Americans were able to continue working saving their jobs, homes and in many cases entire city's

What "companies" sold overseas?

Many car "brands" are "gone" do they still make the Studebaker, Pinto, Oldsmobile etc...."brands" come and go, nothing new.....

Your version of "Facts" is what is obviously delusional.
It didn't work. Gm is facing bankruptcy again, taxpayers and stock holders are losing money like crazy and soon gm will be the next hostess because of government interference. Chrysler sold to Italy and the taxpayers lost 1.3billion dollars, not to mention any Americans who had stock. Those car brand or gone because of the market... Hummer and Saturn are gone because of Obama and the federal government.
Keep trying to justify socialism little guy, it makes you look like a little kid throwing a tantrum. Facts are facts.
Busy Miss

Denver, CO

#9709 Dec 2, 2012
Karl, while I would like to see your side, I find you are as biased as those you condemn.

It's a shame few realize the world was not created for one color and only one color of people.
Busy Miss

Denver, CO

#9711 Dec 2, 2012
karl47 wrote:
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And that is perfectly fine with me, I have defended your right to your opinion right or wrong on numerous occasions.
The world is made up of many and was created for ALL. Not just those who think they have some kind of "privilege" IMO
I am aware you've advised the dolts that we also have a right to post. Thank you for your efforts.

That's the good thing, one of many, about us. We can disagree without attacking each other.

Have a good present and future.

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#9712 Dec 2, 2012
Busy Miss wrote:
<quoted text>I am aware you've advised the dolts that we also have a right to post. Thank you for your efforts.

That's the good thing, one of many, about us. We can disagree without attacking each other.

Have a good present and future.
I would agree as well. Karl, unfortunately likes the attack and to call people liars, when truthfully he just disagrees with them and then lies to cover it up. I understand humanity but does mean the TRUTH shouldn't be pointed out!
Busty Miss

Denver, CO

#9713 Dec 2, 2012
Respect71 wrote:
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I would agree as well. Karl, unfortunately likes the attack and to call people liars, when truthfully he just disagrees with them and then lies to cover it up. I understand humanity but does mean the TRUTH shouldn't be pointed out!
You and truth do not go together.

You do the very things you try to condemn Karl for doing. It's as if you believe your nonsense to the point it starts to make sense in that thing you call your brain.

You are hateful. You go back on your word. You refuse to do what you said you would when Obama won.

Yet, you state Karl is the bad guy. You just need to change drugs.

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