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Dan

Omaha, NE

#48 Feb 13, 2014
Gnu Guy wrote:
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Dan, it seems that enough non smokers have banded together that there are fewer places where smoking is tolerated.
An employer (in some states) can even use the potential increased cost of insurance to deny a smoker a job.
How do you feel about that?
If the employer wants to do that, their call, I guess.

You do reduce the pool of potential employees by X %, but they can do it.

Most employers I see doing it make sure the press knows about it - like a PR stunt.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#49 Feb 13, 2014
Gnu Guy wrote:
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Smoking is an act that can cause physical problems for non smokers.
Nonsmoking has no ill effects upon anyone except tobacco manufacturers and sales.
Society should opt for the least damaging option.
Smoking has ill effects upon the smoker. It may have ill effects upon a non-smoker predicated upon degree and frequency of exposure.

The smoker pays excise taxes which non-smokers benefit from.

It balances out, IMO.

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#50 Feb 13, 2014
Dan wrote:
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Smoking has ill effects upon the smoker. It may have ill effects upon a non-smoker predicated upon degree and frequency of exposure.
The smoker pays excise taxes which non-smokers benefit from.
It balances out, IMO.
It does NOT balance out, which is why we work so hard to eliminate smoking everywhere.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#52 Feb 13, 2014
bud_schmones wrote:
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It does NOT balance out, which is why we work so hard to eliminate smoking everywhere.
Again with the amorphous "we".

What doesn't balance out?

You get stuff that you don't pay for from excise taxes paid only by smokers.

Smokers pay higher insurance rates.

They aren't taking anything from you. Not one thing.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#53 Feb 13, 2014
Gnu Guy wrote:
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I don't feel money balances out the damage done by smoking. That's like charging companies who poison the environment a tax for doing so but allowing them to continue poisoning the environment.
I'm not sure where smokers get the idea that they have or should some right to smoke wherever they want.
I don't think they should smoke "wherever they want", and I don't think most smokers hold that view.

I DO think that many AS folks don't think they should be able to smoke ANYWHERE at all-anywhere outside, their home, their car, etc.

Since: Jul 13

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#56 Feb 13, 2014
Dan wrote:
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Again with the amorphous "we".
What doesn't balance out?
You get stuff that you don't pay for from excise taxes paid only by smokers.
Smokers pay higher insurance rates.
They aren't taking anything from you. Not one thing.
WE will CONTINUE to work for more restrictive laws and rules:
1. No smoking in apartments, condos, or townhomes- anywhere there are shared walls/floors/ceilings
2. No smoking in cars with kids
3. Divorced smokers do not get custody of kids
4. No smoking in parks or on beaches
5. No smoking on college campuses
6. Increase all tobacco taxes by 200%
7. Raise the smoking age to 21
8. Treat ecigs like cigs. including taxation
9. Require ecigs to be tested for nicotine content and all other ingredient content before they can be sold.
10. Place warnings about nicotine addiction on ecigs
11. NO advertising, including ecigs
12. Graphic warning labels on every tobacco product sold
13. Increase fines for violations
14. Remove more business licenses for violations
15. Video record parking lots and fine litterers (including butt tossers)
16. Have a 10 cent deposit on each cigarette to be paid back when the butts are brought in.
17. Encourage lawsuits against employers who continue to allow smoking where smoking has not yet been banned
18. Require registration and licensure of smokers before they can purchase cigarettes and have each smoker volunteer twice a year to work in a cancer treatment facility changing adult diapers.
Cigs Cause Death

Winnipeg, Canada

#57 Feb 13, 2014
GAYGuy wrote:
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By the way, sweetie, you'll have to try harder if you really wanna fight me ;)
ok butthole
Cigs Cause Death

Winnipeg, Canada

#58 Feb 13, 2014
Dan wrote:
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If the employer wants to do that, their call, I guess.
You do reduce the pool of potential employees by X %, but they can do it.
Most employers I see doing it make sure the press knows about it - like a PR stunt.
h yea hire smokers only, that will solve it. So will sending you all to Bulgaria
Cigs Cause Death

Winnipeg, Canada

#59 Feb 13, 2014
Dan wrote:
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Again with the amorphous "we".
What doesn't balance out?
You get stuff that you don't pay for from excise taxes paid only by smokers.
Smokers pay higher insurance rates.
They aren't taking anything from you. Not one thing.
Having a problem with being a social outcast Dan? Why not quit the club and join the decent folk?

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Under the Castle Rock

#60 Feb 13, 2014
Wait, hold up! Where are all the "Clinton era" kook nazis on this one? They told me big tobacco was an evil Republican conspiracy?!

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#61 Feb 13, 2014
bud_schmones wrote:
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WE will CONTINUE to work for more restrictive laws and rules:
1. No smoking in apartments, condos, or townhomes- anywhere there are shared walls/floors/ceilings
2. No smoking in cars with kids
3. Divorced smokers do not get custody of kids
4. No smoking in parks or on beaches
5. No smoking on college campuses
6. Increase all tobacco taxes by 200%
7. Raise the smoking age to 21
8. Treat ecigs like cigs. including taxation
9. Require ecigs to be tested for nicotine content and all other ingredient content before they can be sold.
10. Place warnings about nicotine addiction on ecigs
11. NO advertising, including ecigs
12. Graphic warning labels on every tobacco product sold
13. Increase fines for violations
14. Remove more business licenses for violations
15. Video record parking lots and fine litterers (including butt tossers)
16. Have a 10 cent deposit on each cigarette to be paid back when the butts are brought in.
17. Encourage lawsuits against employers who continue to allow smoking where smoking has not yet been banned
18. Require registration and licensure of smokers before they can purchase cigarettes and have each smoker volunteer twice a year to work in a cancer treatment facility changing adult diapers.
Dude, I gave up smoking after 31 years, and simply just avoid where folks smoke, pretty simple,'eh?
Your list sounds like an old Stalinist doctrine from the 50's.
Dan

Winnipeg, Canada

#63 Feb 13, 2014
Gnu Guy wrote:
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Your weak attempt has been duly noted ;)
ok buttcrack

Since: Jul 13

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#64 Feb 13, 2014
Commander Bunny wrote:
<quoted text>Dude, I gave up smoking after 31 years, and simply just avoid where folks smoke, pretty simple,'eh?
Your list sounds like an old Stalinist doctrine from the 50's.
Actually, the way it will work is the MINORITY- the smokers- will avoid smoking where non smokers are.

Even MORE simple

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Since: Oct 12

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#65 Feb 13, 2014
bud_schmones wrote:
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Actually, the way it will work is the MINORITY- the smokers- will avoid smoking where non smokers are.
Even MORE simple
I like to smoke, just outside Walgreens...on the bench.....

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#66 Feb 13, 2014
Go Blue Forever wrote:
<quoted text> I like to smoke, just outside Walgreens...on the bench.....
Maybe you will boycott them after they quit selling smokes like CVS

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#69 Feb 13, 2014
Gnu Guy wrote:
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As hard as the government comes down on businesses that sell cigs to minors, I can't see why anyone would risk it.
A bad employee can literally cost you your business license, if you're a small mom and pop store.
I think CVS has weighed the profit vs the risk and made a business decision, not a moral one.
It does not matter WHY they did it, just that they did it period.

Since: Jul 13

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#72 Feb 13, 2014
Gnu Guy wrote:
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Oh, and I think the "why" is important. If other stores are to follow suit, it has to make sense financially because there isn't much in the way of morality being used in corporations.
If it makes sense financially for CVS, it likely makes sense for Walgreens.

Since: Jul 13

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#73 Feb 13, 2014
Gnu Guy wrote:
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I'm anti-smoking but clearly not to the degree that you are. I won't support that industry in any way and I don't want any impact on my life from smokers.
As long as they're outta my way, I'm outta theirs.
Now you appear to pleased with CVS' new policy. Care to discuss why?
Personally, I'm indifferent to CVS.
I support it because the harder it is t get smokes or the more expensive it is to get smokes, the less I will have to tolerate SHS.

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#75 Feb 14, 2014
bud_schmones wrote:
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If it makes sense financially for CVS, it likely makes sense for Walgreens.
Sure works for the remaining convenience stores/gas stations that will have the cigarette monopoly....

Since: Jul 13

Location hidden

#76 Feb 14, 2014
Go Blue Forever wrote:
<quoted text> Sure works for the remaining convenience stores/gas stations that will have the cigarette monopoly....
Yeah.
They will raise prices. I don't see that as a bad thing.

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