Patrick Stuebing and Susan Karolewski Forbidden love Brother an...

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Patrick and Susan did not know each other as children At their home in Leipzig, Patrick Stuebing and Susan Karolewski are in the kitchen, playing with a young toddler. Full Story
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da bomb

Clarksville, TN

#22 Sep 3, 2011
oh so the usa is ok with nasty gays but not with siblings. didn't we all come from adom and eve?
Thanatos

Berlin, Germany

#23 Oct 22, 2011
KeiLaJai wrote:
I think they should be able to do whatever they want in terms of their relationship. Who's place is it to tell them that they can't be together, as long as they are not harming anyone in the process.
im pretty sure theyre hurting their offspring, so much for not harming some one...selfish to have kids knowing the risks.
Thanatos

Berlin, Germany

#24 Oct 22, 2011
dewdrop wrote:
Very long post, since I'm really disgusted by the way the law treats these people.
The law is insane. These people have not hurt anyone. Yet the way the law treats them is disgusting. I've seen mass murderers treated better than these poor people.
I agree that incest IS risky, and there ARE higher chances of things like deformities and being disabled, but there are also increased chances of deformities and disabilities in children who have PARENTS who are disabled.
A parent ALWAYS shares 50% of genes with their offspring (unless they have a very rare disease like chimerism) so if they have a hereditary disability their children DEFINATELY have a 50/50 chance of getting the disability causing genes.
Full siblings on the other hand share 50% of genes ON AVERAGE. They can share almost no genes at all! So Patrick and Susan's children could actually be in little danger of getting disability causing genes.
So the law allows people with hereditary disabilities to have children even though their children ALWAYS have a 50/50 chance of being disabled while they go to great lengths to separate people whose children have A CHANCE of having a disability? I am frightened to think such stupid people run the country.
As for all of you people who say Patrick and Susan's relationship is "gross" care to give a reason why? The fact is you can't because it isn't. You are ignorant people. Though that is not really your fault. It's the way society teaches people that makes you think it's "gross".
As for you, paradise bird, I understand what your saying, and I mainly agree with you. It's true that any decent parents want their kids to have the best chances of survival and inbreeding between such close relatives is not a very good way to go about that. But like I said, disabled people are allowed to have kids, even though their offspring have equal, if not higher chances of disabilities than the offspring of siblings. So I really don't think ANYONE should be stopped from breeding with anyone else of the same species. People should be made aware of the risks of things that aren't a very good idea, like incest and having kids if you have a serious hereditary disease, but if they know the risks and still want to have sex and/or kids then I don't think anyone really has the right to stop them.
dewdrop, obviously you know very little about genetics. first off not all disabilities are inherited in a 50/50 manner. There are many many different types of inherting diseases/disabilities, i.e. some may be genosomal or x chromosomal etc... meaning there's not ALWAYS this 50/50 chance that youre basing one of youre main arguements on. furthermore i'd like to point out that its pretty clear that they, in fact, do share an average amount of genetic information since 2 out of their 4 children have been born with disabilities, and although no one CAN stop them from breeding, they should do it on their own and not be selfish; just like people with diseases. Besides while people with diseases have the chance of only passing the one disease/disability, these parents are risking their offspring to not only mental illnesses but also physical ones, and both forms can present themselves on one child, which i think is actually the case with one of their kids.
Diane

Sydney, Australia

#25 Jan 5, 2012
had an affair with my brother for almost 5 years it began when i was 15 and he was 17. it ended when he moved interstate for work. 14 years later we had it again for several times. had it again when i was 38 but last only for short time.

having said that, i understand the situation of Patrick ans Susan & fully support for consensual adult incest only.
Jim

Peterborough, UK

#26 Apr 12, 2012
Who cares?

None of my business, but they should be aware of the genetic problems that could occur.

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