Germany, Poland in tussle over treasures

Germany, Poland in tussle over treasures

There are 1273 comments on the Chicago Tribune story from Oct 13, 2007, titled Germany, Poland in tussle over treasures. In it, Chicago Tribune reports that:

Monika Jaglarz closed the door to the small office and drew the shades. She then spread a green velvet cloth over a wooden table and pulled on a pair of white gloves as though to begin some kind of surgical ...

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Adam Twardowski

Watertown, SD

#1 Oct 13, 2007
The Germans lost all rights to these valuables decades ago. They should remember the countless Polish works of art and items of cultural significance that they destroyed with the intention of annihilating Poland's cultural identity. These letters, manuscripts, paintings, et al. are the legal and moral property of the Polish nation. Any attempt by the German government to try to retrieve any of them will show the world how quickly today's Germans have forgotten the crimes their nation committed only decades ago.
LIC

Mexico, Mexico

#2 Oct 13, 2007
When you know what really happened, you know that Poland has to return what they think belong to them.
Almost 50% of Poland territory comes from German territory, after WWI & WWII, in the latter with the support of the americans and british.
American propaganda has been carefully designed to portray the Germans as the "bad guys", while the poles like the victims and "good guys. The incredible thing, is that a lot of people believe this, since they are ignorants.
Jack

Campbell River, Canada

#3 Oct 13, 2007
Poland should return all German art and Germany should.... return stolen Polish art, pay Poland hundreds of billions of dollars compensation for destroyed art, the destruction of the country, total destruction of the capital Warsaw and 6 million killed Polish citizens.
Jack

Campbell River, Canada

#4 Oct 13, 2007
LIC wrote:
When you know what really happened, you know that Poland has to return what they think belong to them.
Almost 50% of Poland territory comes from German territory, after WWI & WWII, in the latter with the support of the americans and british.
American propaganda has been carefully designed to portray the Germans as the "bad guys", while the poles like the victims and "good guys. The incredible thing, is that a lot of people believe this, since they are ignorants.
Obviously you don't know what you are talking about therefore you are the ignorant one. My advice to you is to learn some Polish and WW2 history in general before making any comments which only make you look stupid.
"Si senior :)"
Observer

Aalst, Belgium

#5 Oct 14, 2007
LIC wrote:
When you know what really happened, you know that Poland has to return what they think belong to them.
Almost 50% of Poland territory comes from German territory, after WWI & WWII, in the latter with the support of the americans and british.
American propaganda has been carefully designed to portray the Germans as the "bad guys", while the poles like the victims and "good guys. The incredible thing, is that a lot of people believe this, since they are ignorants.
I suppose in your limited understanding the Germans were the "Good Guys" then? Ha..ha.. good one! The Germans started and lost the war. They should count themselves lucky to have been allowed even to recreate the country. Bitching about what Germany lost during the war will get you no sympathy with anybody. The Polish stance on the subject is quite correct.
Adam Twardowski

Aberdeen, SD

#7 Oct 14, 2007
To insinuate that Poles were in some way the "bad guys" is lunacy, LIC. Need I remind you that in the late 18th century what is now present-day Germany partitioned Poland and took part of its territory? The Americans and British merely returned it to Poles. And it really doesn't matter if this weren't the case; the fact is that Germans viciously started a brutal war, murdered millions, annihilated cities, and destroyed art. They were vicious barbarians and still have not repaid Poland justly.
Tommy boy

United States

#10 Oct 14, 2007
It appears that "Lic" and "Billy Bob" attended re-writing history can be fun classes at Ahmadinejad University. No surprise the Mexican being ignorant to world history, after all Mexico is a third world country and he has third world views. The "red neck" well, I would have to agree with "Jack" inbreeding would most likely be the issue.

No need to rewrite history. If either of these illiterates read European history, they would know that the boarders between Poland and Germany have shifted through war and conquests several times.

For those illiterates, I have included the definition of conquest, boarders are boarders and what is within those boarders belong to those people.

Conquest
1: the act or process of conquering
2 a: something conquered; especially: territory appropriated in war b: a person whose favor or hand has been won

Lic, you’re on your own for the translation....
LIC

Mexico, Mexico

#14 Oct 14, 2007
Check your references, and then talk.
Don't talk based in you Hollywood and Media influenced opinion. Be on your own.
Your GI's looted Germany completely. Read the book of Giles MacDonough,·After The Reich: The Brutal History of the Allied Occupation, this will expand your knowledge.
Jack

Campbell River, Canada

#15 Oct 14, 2007
LIC wrote:
Check your references, and then talk.
Don't talk based in you Hollywood and Media influenced opinion. Be on your own.
Your GI's looted Germany completely. Read the book of Giles MacDonough,·After The Reich: The Brutal History of the Allied Occupation, this will expand your knowledge.
LIC,
If you only knew how ridiculous your statements are you would be covering your face with both hands.
It is clear to me that you have no idea what you are talking about and your knowledge of WW2, Poland, Germany,(who looted whom?) and history in general is ZERO. Therefore there is no point in engaging in any discussion with you because I'm already wasting my time typing this response to you. Get some knowledge one day or never open your mouth on subject you know nothing about.
albanypark

Algonquin, IL

#18 Oct 14, 2007
germany cannot have it both ways. they nearly destroyed poland and its citizens. the poles claimed property that was on their soil and took care of it all these years. like it or not germany is sol
Billy Bob

San Jose, CA

#19 Oct 14, 2007
No Question the treasures belong to Germany.
Jack

Campbell River, Canada

#20 Oct 14, 2007
The problem is that German government is quietly backing up this initiative. Nothing is official yet but soon may be. I think that if these claims go any further, the Polish government will have no choice but to claim compensation from Germany for WW2 damage, including destroyed and stolen Polish art. The bill (if paid) would effectively bankrupt German State. Compensation for destruction of Warsaw alone (just the buildings and streets) runs at over 65 billion USD. That without taking under account monuments like old palaces etc., many were priceless.
Germans are making a big mistake. They not only have no legal and especially moral right to ask for anything from the Poles but they also are opening old wounds which are in Polish case, not healed.
Tommy boy

United States

#21 Oct 14, 2007
LIC wrote:
Check your references, and then talk.
Don't talk based in you Hollywood and Media influenced opinion. Be on your own.
Your GI's looted Germany completely. Read the book of Giles MacDonough,·After The Reich: The Brutal History of the Allied Occupation, this will expand your knowledge.
I think Lic must have crossed the boarder and attended the LA Unified School System.

Lic, you are an incredibly wrong man. You really should not talk about things you have no idea about. But, this is an American newspaper and all have access to it. Fortunately, your comments expose the ridiculous levels of ignorence that exists with some people outside of our boards. Are you a product of the Mexican education system?

Any informed individual knows the horrible autrocities the Germans committed in Poland to Christians, Slavs and Jews. Millions of Polish citizens lost their lives at the hands of the Germans.

Go back to my provided definitions. What is in Poland, belongs to Poland. The Germans will never be able to pay them back for what they caused.

If our GIs did loot Germany, more power to them... war is hell, they would be idiots not to.

Afterall, the Allies did not occupy Poland after the building of the Berlin wall, the Russian did.

When will Mexico be planing to pay reparations and return treasures to the Aztecs and Mayans? You might also have to go after Spain too.
Adam Twardowski

Aberdeen, SD

#22 Oct 14, 2007
Billy Bob wrote:
No Question the treasures belong to Germany.
Billy Bob, it's clearly evident from your posts that you are totally ignorant of even the most basic historical facts of that period of time. You have no conscience or sense of justice as you are claiming that Germans have any right to demand anything from the Poles as compensation from World War II. You have no idea just how much suffering the Polish people endured under the German occupation, and you obviously have no idea just how much the future of mankind has been altered because of the war. Crack a book open. Learn something, you fool.
Billy Bob

San Jose, CA

#23 Oct 14, 2007
Yes I have read a lot about it. The
Jewish uprising in the Warsaw Ghetto
the whole bit.
And Poland got a lot of land ceded
to them after WWII.
You seem to forget what the Russians
did to Poland.
You also forget what the allies did
to the civilian population of Germany.
Me the fool must remind you of the
firebombing of Dresden and Hamburg
Directed at the civilian population.
Churchill's war cabinet voted to
go after the civilian population.
Look no ones hands are clean.
The treasure belongs to Germany.
And look - no name calling in this
post.
The war reparations were decided
and paid long ago.
Germany stored the treasures (theirs)
and now they want to pick it up.
For a country who went commie Poland
is pretty uppity.
LIC

Mexico, Mexico

#24 Oct 14, 2007
The treasures belong to Germany.
Check your references, so you can explain yourself where the 6 million figure was so popular. Guess what? Nobody knows for sure.
The first to come up with number were the soviets, then the rest of the allies follow
through.
Check your references, and you will see that you have a former professor at the U. of Minnsota, a jew, Norman Finkelstein who has published books about the "holocaust industry", or a way to extort money from the German government.
Check your references..........
Jack

Campbell River, Canada

#25 Oct 14, 2007
Billy Bob wrote:
Yes I have read a lot about it. The
Jewish uprising in the Warsaw Ghetto
the whole bit.
And Poland got a lot of land ceded
to them after WWII.
You seem to forget what the Russians
did to Poland.
You also forget what the allies did
to the civilian population of Germany.
Me the fool must remind you of the
firebombing of Dresden and Hamburg
Directed at the civilian population.
Churchill's war cabinet voted to
go after the civilian population.
Look no ones hands are clean.
The treasure belongs to Germany.
And look - no name calling in this
post.
The war reparations were decided
and paid long ago.
Germany stored the treasures (theirs)
and now they want to pick it up.
For a country who went commie Poland
is pretty uppity.
Hey Billy Bob are you a former Nazi (red neck as well) hiding in Arizona :)? You sound like one.
Poor attempt to rewrite history trying to portrait Germans ad victims of the war. You are pathetic.
Jack

Campbell River, Canada

#26 Oct 14, 2007
LIC wrote:
The treasures belong to Germany.
Check your references, so you can explain yourself where the 6 million figure was so popular. Guess what? Nobody knows for sure.
The first to come up with number were the soviets, then the rest of the allies follow
through.
Check your references, and you will see that you have a former professor at the U. of Minnsota, a jew, Norman Finkelstein who has published books about the "holocaust industry", or a way to extort money from the German government.
Check your references..........
LIC...every time you "open your mouth" you making yourself look more retarded. Please go away and discuss this topic with an Iranian president or people like him.
Observer

Luxembourg

#27 Oct 15, 2007
Jack wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey Billy Bob are you a former Nazi (red neck as well) hiding in Arizona :)? You sound like one.
Poor attempt to rewrite history trying to portrait Germans ad victims of the war. You are pathetic.
Well before the German government picks a fight with Poland over a small number of items that it thinks should be returned, perhaps it should go after the country that really did loot Germany bare - Russia. There are far more German items of value in Russia than there are in Poland. However, because Germany knows that Russia wouldn't exactly be open to such discussions, it has turned its attention to Poland where it thinks it can exert pressure on the country and intimidate it. Well on this issue it is wrong. The Poles are now the owners of the treasures which were left on its territory and it legitimately aquired. Live with it!
Tommy boy

Manhattan Beach, CA

#28 Oct 15, 2007
Billy Bob wrote:
Yes I have read a lot about it. The
Jewish uprising in the Warsaw Ghetto
the whole bit.
And Poland got a lot of land ceded
to them after WWII.
You seem to forget what the Russians
did to Poland.
You also forget what the allies did
to the civilian population of Germany.
Me the fool must remind you of the
firebombing of Dresden and Hamburg
Directed at the civilian population.
Churchill's war cabinet voted to
go after the civilian population.
Look no ones hands are clean.
The treasure belongs to Germany.
And look - no name calling in this
post.
The war reparations were decided
and paid long ago.
Germany stored the treasures (theirs)
and now they want to pick it up.
For a country who went commie Poland
is pretty uppity.
Billy bob,
Thankfully you are packed away in Tempe, where you can't cause too much trouble besides annoying a few of us here.

The Germans got what they deserved. They were fortunate we didn't wipe them off the map and make the German people as extinct as they tried to make the Slavs, Jews and Christians.
By your comments, you illustrate that you view the world through the prism of a coward.
You (unfortunately for us) live in the greatest country on earth. The decisions made then were the right ones. No one should expect you to understand what true leadership is. It would be alien concept to one such as you.
There was a war.
The Germans lost.
Wining on their part is just noise.
Our leaders of the time are heroes today and are celebrated by normal, informed, patriotic citizens. Because of them you are allowed to write your “noise” in English rather than German.
I’d like to say shame on you but, cowards have no shame….

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