Germany: Image of Islam 'De...

Germany: Image of Islam 'Devastating'

There are 29 comments on the Free Republic story from Dec 11, 2012, titled Germany: Image of Islam 'Devastating'. In it, Free Republic reports that:

The most sobering finding is that 46% of Turks say they hope that one day Germany will have more Muslims than Christians.

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Since: Apr 12

Martinez, CA

#21 Dec 11, 2012
Mawar wrote:
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That's not all.
Freedom to blaspheme and freedom to murder own family members and self - these are the new ones you want us to emulate?
We want to build mosque in your neighborhood and bring people to Islam, and the good teachings.
The children should read Quran, the olds with dementia and alzheimer should be cared for, the wrongs should be forbidden, the roghteousnesness must be encouraged, people driven away must be allowed to return to their homes and land, murderers of children and innocent mothers must be taken to court, agressors must be put to trial, criminals must be punished, and illegal state must cease from existence.
Did you miss the report? Here's a summarized version:

Muslims are the most likely among all religious groups to be living in accommodation rented from the council or housing association (28%); 4% live rent-free (2004 figures). As if this is not enough, the total prison population in the UK amongst category A and B criminals (the worse crimes) is now 35-39% Muslim.

Since: Apr 12

Martinez, CA

#22 Dec 11, 2012
Mawar wrote:
Will you read again?
The more I read, the worse I feel about muslim immigration:

www.thenational.ae/news/world/europe/uk-priso...

UK prisons adviser blames imams for spike in number of jailed Muslims

The UK's Muslim adviser on prisons said that outdated attitudes among imams were the reason record numbers of young British Muslims are turning to crime.

Mosques fail to offer facilities relevant to young, British-born Muslims while imams are often brought in from abroad, do not speak English and focus only on religious rituals, said Ahtsham Ali, who has been adviser to Britain's Prison Service for the past eight years.

Mr Ali also blamed family breakdowns, arranged marriages and drugs for the fact that there are almost 11,000 Muslim males, most in their teens or 20s, in prison.

That figure is almost six times what it was 20 years ago and represents 12.6 per cent of the total prison population, compared to the 3 per cent of Muslims in the population as a whole.

In an interview in The Times newspaper this week, Mr Ali said that old-fashioned attitudes in mosques had resulted in young people turning away from religion in droves.

"It is a tragedy," he said. "I have seen youngsters - the next generation - just totally switch off from it. This is dangerous. It allows others to take advantage, to take up the vacuum.

"Nearly all mosques are their own independent kingdoms and they will decide what to do. Mosque committees have supreme power. Most will get imams imported from other countries who can't speak English. More importantly they can't relate to second and third-generation youngsters growing up here."

Mr Ali said that it was often only when Muslims ended up in prison that they encountered imams who could speak English fluently. Currently, 55 full-time imams work in jails, backed up by 59 part timers and another 96 available on an occasional basis.

"I believe I have got the cream of Muslim imams in Britain, which is a shame in one sense," he said.

"Prison imams will play five-a-side football, will go around and chat. Ask:'How was the film last night?'. That kind of relevant bonding is very good. I have had prisoners say to me:'Tell me why do I have to go to prison to get an good imam?'. That is the sad state of affairs we have." But Ibrahim Mogra, who chairs the mosque and community affairs committee of the Muslim Council of Britain, rejected Mr Ali's argument saying that "hundreds of imams and mosques have woken up to the dangers faced by the youth and have been preaching solutions and remedies against them".

"Not only that, but they are highlighting the opportunities that they should take advantage of to better themselves and society. Imams and mosques have realised that in the mosques they are preaching to the converted. They are now taking their message out to the youth."

Inayat Bunglawala, the chairman of Muslims4UK, a group promoting participation by Muslims in UK society, said it seemed "rather unfair" to blame imams for the high Muslim jail population.

He felt failings in parenting and peer pressure were much more influential factors.

"If we are really looking to point fingers at who is responsible for Muslim criminality then I don't think it is appropriate to blame imams, who are very often poorly paid. As a rabbi friend once told me, if you pay peanuts, you get monkeys."

Since: Oct 11

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#23 Dec 12, 2012
Mawar wrote:
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We want to build mosque in your neighborhood and bring people to Islam, and the good teachings.
Good teachings? Suicide bombers for allah and beaten down women for allah. Forced worship on your children for allah. Brutal punishment for allah,, sworn destruction of western culture for allah.

How many times a day do you pray to allah?

We don't want you in our neighborhoods or the mindless thought it teaches.
UK Soldier

UK

#24 Dec 12, 2012
Mawar wrote:
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That's not all.
Freedom to blaspheme and freedom to murder own family members and self - these are the new ones you want us to emulate?
We want to build mosque in your neighborhood and bring people to Islam, and the good teachings.
The children should read Quran, the olds with dementia and alzheimer should be cared for, the wrongs should be forbidden, the roghteousnesness must be encouraged, people driven away must be allowed to return to their homes and land, murderers of children and innocent mothers must be taken to court, agressors must be put to trial, criminals must be punished, and illegal state must cease from existence.
People are cared for ect as you said, but not because of Islam..because it is how we were born....if someone murders then its there own choice - not because of his religious state.

A god would not create disease, famine, hate, murder ect. If there was an allah, he is seriously fcked up to create man just to worship him and murder/convert (same thing) in his name...is he that egotistical...no god would create a handicapped person or a baby that would die 2 seconds later.

Remember Islam was created thousands of years ago by a man...a man who thought the world was flat, that heard voices in his head (if that was today he would be locked up for public safety), that thought god was on his side even though he was a pedophile and murdered. Do not try and piss on everyones cornflakes and pretend its milk, because thats what Islam did.

Since: Oct 06

Location hidden

#25 Dec 12, 2012
wow.....Mawar.......feeling the heat?
Mawar

Nibong Tebal, Malaysia

#26 Dec 12, 2012
Trisha wrote:
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Look it up, you silly boy! How hard is that?
I read it again, it still makes no sense in the context of this thread.
I looked it up. It wasn't hard. May be you should read it again and make sense out of it.
Mawar

Nibong Tebal, Malaysia

#27 Dec 12, 2012
Trisha wrote:
wow.....Mawar.......feeling the heat?
Yea, kind of.

Apparently others in here have followed my writing better than you have.

Since: Sep 09

Hollywood, FL

#28 Dec 12, 2012
NEVR MET MUSLM ON WELFARE wrote:
Never met a Muslim on welfare
Never met a FAT Muslim
Well, you need to take yourself over to the local NOI place of worship in your town...there are plenty of welfare, fat azzed, mama's sitting around there.....
Sharia For All

Bronx, NY

#29 Dec 13, 2012
Mawar wrote:
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Yea, good idea, a perfect one.
Furthermore, we defeated our enemies throughout history and taken over a large chunk of earth mass wherein we built mosques and bastions, and set up governments.
We became what we are today - 1.4 billion faithful people who believe in the Creator and remain steadfast in prayers, when others blaspheme.
We remain a formidable defence against corruption and own destruction by mankind.
You speakTruth. Look at our progress in Mali.

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Islamists who seized control of part of Mali are amassing money from ransoms and drug trafficking while imposing Sharia law, says a senior UN official.

They are also buying child soldiers, paying families $600 (£375) per child, Ivan Simonovic said after a fact-finding visit to the country.

Islamic extremists seized two-thirds of Mali in March when a military coup plunged the country into chaos.

Mr Simonovic painted a grim picture of human rights abuses there.

Women's rights were being particularly restricted, said Mr Simonovic, the UN Assistant Secretary-General for Human Rights, citing the compilation of a "frightening" list of unmarried women who were pregnant or had borne children.

More women were being forced into marriage - with a wife costing less than $1,000 - and some were then being resold in "a smokescreen for enforced prostitution", added Mr Simonovic.

"Human rights violations are becoming more systematic," he told reporters at UN headquarters in New York, adding that Islamists had "imposed an extremist version of Sharia".

Amputations and floggings
The fact-finding mission gleaned information from people travelling to and from northern Mali, where he said Islamists were imposing harsher punishments for crimes.

So far, he said, there had been three public executions, eight amputations and two floggings.

There were allegations of torture and inhuman prison conditions in southern Mali, where the government retains control, Mr Simonovic added.

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