Ailing UN climate talks jolted by record surge in greenhouse gases

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Since: Oct 10

Mountain hideaway, SE Spain

#1 May 30, 2011
"Record surge in greenhouse gases" with no sign of any surge in global temperature.
Something doesn't quite add up.
bronck burger

Bayonne, NJ

#2 May 30, 2011
LORD STERN just go away. the NATIONS of the world are starting to wake up to THE LIES that people like you, the enviro's and the un are always getting caught in, everytime you humps open your mouths. GET READY FOR MORE JOLTS>>> YOUR GAME IS OVER YOU HAVE BEEB OUTED.
YouHelpFixIt

Scottsdale, AZ

#3 May 31, 2011
Earthling-1 wrote:
"Record surge in greenhouse gases" with no sign of any surge in global temperature.
Something doesn't quite add up.
There is no record surge either.

ftp://ftp.cmdl.noaa.gov/ccg/co 2/trends/co2_gr_mlo.txt

Higher growth rates in 1998, 2002, and 2005

Funny that Co2 levels do not seem to correspond well to global temperatures but co2 growth rates seem to correspond to global temperatures. HMMMN. Makes you wonder which one causes which?

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Since: Oct 10

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#4 Jun 1, 2011
YouHelpFixIt wrote:
There is no record surge either.
ftp://ftp.cmdl.noaa.gov/ccg/co 2/trends/co2_gr_mlo.txt
Higher growth rates in 1998, 2002, and 2005
Funny that Co2 levels do not seem to correspond well to global temperatures but co2 growth rates seem to correspond to global temperatures. HMMMN. Makes you wonder which one causes which?
I tried that link, but it wouldn't respond, so changed it to:
http://ftp.cmdl.noaa.gov/ccg/co 2/trends/co2_gr_mlo.txt
Still no luck.
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I think we're talking about a chicken and egg situation in this case.
YouHelpFixIt

Scottsdale, AZ

#5 Jun 1, 2011
Earthling-1 wrote:
<quoted text>I tried that link, but it wouldn't respond, so changed it to:
http://ftp.cmdl.noaa.gov/ccg/co 2/trends/co2_gr_mlo.txt
Still no luck.
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I think we're talking about a chicken and egg situation in this case.
Try this:
ftp://ftp.cmdl.noaa.gov/ccg/co 2/trends/co2_gr_mlo.txt

It's from this page
http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/trends/
Just click on 'Mauna Loa CO2 annual mean growth rates'

The highest growth rate recorded was 3.01 ppm in 1998 followed by 2002, 2005, then 2010. Funny thing is that the overall ppm was higher every year, but average temperatures did not increase every year. However, for every very hot year (1998, 2002, 2005 and 2010) the growth rate was greater than average.

The data shows that more CO2 is realsed in hot years. We can debate the actual mechanism for the relase but the corelation is clear.
Fun Facts

Albuquerque, NM

#6 Jun 1, 2011
The lowest growth rate was in 1992, following the global cooling from Pinatubo.

"The cloud over the earth reduced global temperatures. In 1992 and 1993, the average temperature in the Northern Hemisphere was reduced 0.5 to 0.6C and the entire planet was cooled 0.4 to 0.5C. The maximum reduction in global temperature occurred in August 1992 with a reduction of 0.73C. The eruption is believed to have influenced such events as 1993 floods along the Mississippi river and the drought in the Sahel region of Africa. The United States experienced its third coldest and third wettest summer in 77 years during 1992." http://geography.about.com/od/globalproblemsa...
Fun Facts

Albuquerque, NM

#7 Jun 1, 2011
And the lowest rate of increase happened after Pinatubo.

http://geography.about.com/od/globalproblemsa...

"The cloud over the earth reduced global temperatures. In 1992 and 1993, the average temperature in the Northern Hemisphere was reduced 0.5 to 0.6C and the entire planet was cooled 0.4 to 0.5C. The maximum reduction in global temperature occurred in August 1992 with a reduction of 0.73C. The eruption is believed to have influenced such events as 1993 floods along the Mississippi river and the drought in the Sahel region of Africa. The United States experienced its third coldest and third wettest summer in 77 years during 1992."

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#9 Jun 1, 2011
Basically proving that the data and the correlations negate carbon dioxide as the single major driver of climate change, unless our alarmist friends have evidence to the contrary.

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