Greenhouse gas emissions hitting record highs

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LessHypeMoreFact

Orangeville, Canada

#1 Jun 5, 2011
And it isn't even the USA (which is stuck in neutral). The big picture has developing nations increasing their output rapidly as they expand.

Europe has clearly done it's part, but few other countries, including, to my shame, Canada
LessHypeMoreFact

Orangeville, Canada

#2 Jun 5, 2011
Fun Facts

Albuquerque, NM

#3 Jun 5, 2011
Scroll down thru this you will find a chart that shows the annual growth rate of CO2. Notice how on the years that are the warmest CO2 increases the most, also notice that when temps go down, CO2 increases are smaller. 1992 low CO2 increases, 1998 highest CO2 increases.

http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/trends/

The lowest growth rate was in 1992, following the global cooling from Pinatubo.

"The cloud over the earth reduced global temperatures. In 1992 and 1993, the average temperature in the Northern Hemisphere was reduced 0.5 to 0.6°C and the entire planet was cooled 0.4 to 0.5°C. The maximum reduction in global temperature occurred in August 1992 with a reduction of 0.73°C. The eruption is believed to have influenced such events as 1993 floods along the Mississippi river and the drought in the Sahel region of Africa. The United States experienced its third coldest and third wettest summer in 77 years during 1992." http://geography.about.com/od/globalproblemsa ...

700,000 years of ice core data indicate that temperature changes precede CO2 changes. Temperatures go up and CO2 follows, temperatures go down and CO2 follows. Looks like the pattern we can see in the NOAA data.

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain hideaway, SE Spain

#4 Jun 5, 2011
Fun Facts wrote:
Scroll down thru this you will find a chart that shows the annual growth rate of CO2. Notice how on the years that are the warmest CO2 increases the most, also notice that when temps go down, CO2 increases are smaller. 1992 low CO2 increases, 1998 highest CO2 increases.
http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/trends/
The lowest growth rate was in 1992, following the global cooling from Pinatubo.
"The cloud over the earth reduced global temperatures. In 1992 and 1993, the average temperature in the Northern Hemisphere was reduced 0.5 to 0.6°C and the entire planet was cooled 0.4 to 0.5°C. The maximum reduction in global temperature occurred in August 1992 with a reduction of 0.73°C. The eruption is believed to have influenced such events as 1993 floods along the Mississippi river and the drought in the Sahel region of Africa. The United States experienced its third coldest and third wettest summer in 77 years during 1992." http://geography.about.com/od/globalproblemsa ...
700,000 years of ice core data indicate that temperature changes precede CO2 changes. Temperatures go up and CO2 follows, temperatures go down and CO2 follows. Looks like the pattern we can see in the NOAA data.
What's obvious from that graph, is that the chances of reducing CO2 to 350ppm is becoming more of a pipe-dream as days pass.
Stopping the rise at 450ppm may be the only chance left for those who think it's worth worrying about, by which time, realisation will have dawned that CO2 isn't a problem and they'll be happy with it.

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain hideaway, SE Spain

#5 Jun 5, 2011
55 Positive Externalities: Hail to Atmospheric CO2 Enrichment
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Okay, enough ado, here is the list of 55 ways in which increasing atmospheric CO2 produces direct benefits (and generate positive externalities from fossil fuel use):

1. Air Pollution Stress (Non–Ozone)
2. Air Pollution Stress (Ozone)
3. Avoiding Human Starvation and Plant and Animal Extinctions
4. Bacteria
5. Biodiversity
6. Biogenic Volatile Organic Compounds (BVOCs)
7. Biomass
8. C4 Plants
9. CAM Plants
10. Carbon Sequestration
11. Diseases of Plants
12. Early Growth
13. Earthworms
14. Evolution
15. Flowers
16. Fluctuating Asymmetry
17. Glomalin
18. Health-Promoting Substances
19. Herbivory
20. Hormones
21. Human Longevity
22. Human Mortality (All Causes)
23. Human Mortality (Cardiovascular)
24. Human Mortality (Respiratory)
25. Iodocompounds
26. Isoprene
27. Light Stress
28. Lipids
29. Medicinal Plants
30. Monoterpenes
31. Nectar
32. Net Primary Productivity
33. Nitrogen Fixation
34. Nutrient Acquisition
35. Phosphorus Acquisition
36. Photosynthesis
37. Progressive Nitrogen Limitation
38. Reactive Oxygen Species
39. Root Exudation
40. Root Production
41. Salinity Stress
42. Seeds
43. Soil Erosion
44. Soil Toxicity
45. Starch
46. Tannins
47. Temperature Stress
48. Thylakoid Membranes
49. Transpiration
50. UV-B Radiation Stress
51. Vegetative Storage Proteins
52. Water Stress
53. Water-Use Efficiency
54. Weeds
55. Wood Density
http://www.masterresource.org/2011/03/positiv...
kal

Kennewick, WA

#6 Jun 5, 2011
Earthling-1 wrote:
<quoted text>What's obvious from that graph, is that the chances of reducing CO2 to 350ppm is becoming more of a pipe-dream as days pass.
Stopping the rise at 450ppm may be the only chance left for those who think it's worth worrying about, by which time, realisation will have dawned that CO2 isn't a problem and they'll be happy with it.
the large high altitude cloud of co2 and sulfur dioxide from the volcano in iceland that is drifting across north america will soon join the high altitude clouds from the two newest volcanic eruptions in mexico and chile. yep, these gas emissions are nothing compared to what the brainwashed global warming crowds, pipe dream of an invisible greenhouse caused by man theory is going to do if we can't tax and cap and trade and dream up some way to make a profit from the hysteria of man causing the weather to do whatever the weather naturally does.
LessHypeMoreFact

Orangeville, Canada

#7 Jun 5, 2011
Fun Facts wrote:
Scroll down thru this you will find a chart that shows the annual growth rate of CO2. Notice how on the years .
You are analyzing noise. Trying to find 'correlations' in the year to year variabiltiy of GHG emissions vs the various climate oscillations that have nothing to do with the long term slope.

Did you even pass grade school?

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain hideaway, SE Spain

#8 Jun 6, 2011
kal wrote:
the large high altitude cloud of co2 and sulfur dioxide from the volcano in iceland that is drifting across north america will soon join the high altitude clouds from the two newest volcanic eruptions in mexico and chile. yep, these gas emissions are nothing compared to what the brainwashed global warming crowds, pipe dream of an invisible greenhouse caused by man theory is going to do if we can't tax and cap and trade and dream up some way to make a profit from the hysteria of man causing the weather to do whatever the weather naturally does.
Mankind will never be happy playing second fiddle to Nature, he wants to be in total control of his destiny and won't give up the fight until he becomes extinct, which is the only likely end result.
Who will be in charge when the end arrives?

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain hideaway, SE Spain

#9 Jun 6, 2011
LessFactMoreHype wrote:
Did you even pass grade school?
Did you and if so, how come you haven't yet managed to work out that forty hasn't been correctly spelt with a U for over 200 years, Mr Undoubtably Spelt Fourty?

Since: Mar 09

Wichita, KS

#10 Jun 6, 2011
Earthling-1 wrote:
55 Positive Externalities: Hail to Atmospheric CO2 Enrichment
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...
The other side of the coin...

Decreasing human water supplies, increased fire frequency, ecosystem change and expanded deserts (Solomon 2009)
Decline in rice yields due to warmer nighttime minimum temperatures (Peng 2004, Tao 2008)
Increase of Western United States wildfire activity, associated with higher temperatures and earlier spring snowmelt (Westerling 2006)
Encroachment of shrubs into grasslands, rendering rangeland unsuitable for domestic livestock grazing (Morgan 2007)
Decreased water supply in the Colorado River Basin (McCabe 2007)
Decreasing water supply to the Murray-Darling Basin (Cai 2008)
Increased deaths to heatwaves - 5.74% increase to heatwaves compared to 1.59% to cold snaps (Medina-Ramon 2007)
Increased heat stress in humans and other mammals (Sherwood 2010)
Spread in mosquite-borne diseases such as Malaria and Dengue Fever (Epstein 1998)
Increase in occurrence of allergic symptoms due to rise in allergenic pollen (Rogers 2006)
Loss of 2/3 of the world's polar bear population within 50 years (Amstrup 2007)
Less compacted ice, hazardous floes and more mobile icebergs posing increased risk to shipping (IICWG 2009)
Drying of arctic ponds with subsequent damage to ecosystem (Smol 2007)

Warming causes methane to escape from Arctic regions, contributing additional greenhouse warming. The following have been observed:

Melting of Arctic lakes leading methane bubbling (Walter 2007)
Leakage of methane from the East Siberian Shelf seabed sediments (Shakhova 2008)
Escape of methane gas from the seabed along the West Spitsbergen continental margin (Westbrook 2009)
Rainforests releasing CO2 as regions become drier (Saleska 2009)
Extinction of the European land leech (Kutschera 2007)
Decrease in Adélie penguin numbers (Ducklow 2006)
Disruption to New Zealand aquatic species such as salmonids, stream invertebrates, fishes (Ryan 2007)
Oxygen poor ocean zones are growing (Stramma 2008, Shaffer 2009)
Increased mortality rates of healthy trees in Western U.S. forest (Pennisi 2009)
More severe and extensive vegetation die-off due to warmer droughts (Breshears 2009)
Increased pine tree mortality due to outbreaks of pine beetles (Kurz 2008, Bentz 2010)
Increased risk of coral extinction from bleaching and disease driven by warming waters (Veron 2009, Carpenter 2008)
Decline in lizard populations (Sinervo 2010)
Decline in global phytoplankton (Boyce 2010)
Decline in global net primary production - the amount of carbon absorbed by plants (Zhao 2010)
Substantial negative impacts to marine ecosystems (Orr 2005, Fabry 2008, Kroeker 2010)
Inhibiting plankton development, disruption of carbon cycle (Turley 2005)
Increased mortalities of sea urchins (Miles 2007)
Threat to fish populations (Munday 2010)
Severe consequences for at least 60 million people dependent on ice melt for water supply (Barnett 2005, Immerzeel 2010)
Contribution to rising sea levels (Pfeffer 2008, Vermeer 2009)
Economic damage to poorer, low latitude countries (Mendelsohn 2006)
Billions of dollars of damage to public infrastructure (Larsen 2007)
Reduced water supply in New Mexico (Hurd 2008)
Increased risk of conflict (Zhang 2007) including increased risk of civil war in Africa (Burke 2009)
Drop in primary productivity due to unprecedented warming at Lake Tanganyika (Tierney 2010)
Hundreds of millions displaced within this century (Dasgupta 2009)
Coastal erosion in Nigeria (Okude 2006)

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain hideaway, SE Spain

#11 Jun 6, 2011
Just another Bozo wrote:
The other side of the coin...
Decreasing human water supplies, increased fire frequency, ecosystem change and expanded deserts (Solomon 2009)
Decline in rice yields due to warmer nighttime minimum temperatures (Peng 2004, Tao 2008)
Increase of Western United States wildfire activity, associated with higher temperatures and earlier spring snowmelt (Westerling 2006)
Encroachment of shrubs into grasslands, rendering rangeland unsuitable for domestic livestock grazing (Morgan 2007)
Decreased water supply in the Colorado River Basin (McCabe 2007)
Decreasing water supply to the Murray-Darling Basin (Cai 2008)
Increased deaths to heatwaves - 5.74% increase to heatwaves compared to 1.59% to cold snaps (Medina-Ramon 2007)
Increased heat stress in humans and other mammals (Sherwood 2010)
Spread in mosquite-borne diseases such as Malaria and Dengue Fever (Epstein 1998)
Increase in occurrence of allergic symptoms due to rise in allergenic pollen (Rogers 2006)
Loss of 2/3 of the world's polar bear population within 50 years (Amstrup 2007)
Less compacted ice, hazardous floes and more mobile icebergs posing increased risk to shipping (IICWG 2009)
Drying of arctic ponds with subsequent damage to ecosystem (Smol 2007)
Warming causes methane to escape from Arctic regions, contributing additional greenhouse warming. The following have been observed:
Melting of Arctic lakes leading methane bubbling (Walter 2007)
Leakage of methane from the East Siberian Shelf seabed sediments (Shakhova 2008)
Escape of methane gas from the seabed along the West Spitsbergen continental margin (Westbrook 2009)
Rainforests releasing CO2 as regions become drier (Saleska 2009)
Extinction of the European land leech (Kutschera 2007)
Decrease in Adélie penguin numbers (Ducklow 2006)
Disruption to New Zealand aquatic species such as salmonids, stream invertebrates, fishes (Ryan 2007)
Oxygen poor ocean zones are growing (Stramma 2008, Shaffer 2009)
Increased mortality rates of healthy trees in Western U.S. forest (Pennisi 2009)
More severe and extensive vegetation die-off due to warmer droughts (Breshears 2009)
Increased pine tree mortality due to outbreaks of pine beetles (Kurz 2008, Bentz 2010)
Increased risk of coral extinction from bleaching and disease driven by warming waters (Veron 2009, Carpenter 2008)
Decline in lizard populations (Sinervo 2010)
Decline in global phytoplankton (Boyce 2010)
Decline in global net primary production - the amount of carbon absorbed by plants (Zhao 2010)
Substantial negative impacts to marine ecosystems (Orr 2005, Fabry 2008, Kroeker 2010)
Inhibiting plankton development, disruption of carbon cycle (Turley 2005)
Increased mortalities of sea urchins (Miles 2007)
Threat to fish populations (Munday 2010)
Severe consequences for at least 60 million people dependent on ice melt for water supply (Barnett 2005, Immerzeel 2010)
Contribution to rising sea levels (Pfeffer 2008, Vermeer 2009)
Economic damage to poorer, low latitude countries (Mendelsohn 2006)
Billions of dollars of damage to public infrastructure (Larsen 2007)
Reduced water supply in New Mexico (Hurd 2008)
Increased risk of conflict (Zhang 2007) including increased risk of civil war in Africa (Burke 2009)
Drop in primary productivity due to unprecedented warming at Lake Tanganyika (Tierney 2010)
Hundreds of millions displaced within this century (Dasgupta 2009)
Coastal erosion in Nigeria (Okude 2006)
And the biggest problem is?
Overpopulation.
BDV

Decatur, GA

#12 Jun 6, 2011
Earthling-1 wrote:
<quoted text>And the biggest problem is?
Overpopulation.
As it was in 100 AD, and 500 AD, and 1,000 AD and in 1900 AD, and in 2000 AD.

And somehow the planet (and the peeps living on it) survived.

Go figure.

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain hideaway, SE Spain

#13 Jun 6, 2011
BDV wrote:
As it was in 100 AD
No way.
BDV wrote:
and 500 AD
Not possible.
BDV wrote:
and 1,000 AD
Highly unlikely.
BDV wrote:
and in 1900 AD
By a handful or less.
BDV wrote:
and in 2000 AD.
Definitely.
"Large oaks from little acorns grow."
BDV wrote:
And somehow the planet (and the peeps living on it) survived.
Go figure.
I have spent some quiet moments considering overpopulation, but not too many.
The over-'peeped' idea was first (seriously) penned in the 18th century by Thomas Robert Malthus and more recently in the 20th century, by people like Paul Ehrlich.
I may not completely agree with much of their ideas, but blaming CO2 for causing life threatening climate change is more stupid.
More 'peeps' equals more limited resources, especially if they're non-productive.
Simples.

Since: Mar 09

Wichita, KS

#14 Jun 6, 2011
Earthling-1 wrote:
<quoted text>And the biggest problem is?
Overpopulation.
Certainly one of the problems. Over consumption is another.

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain hideaway, SE Spain

#15 Jun 6, 2011
Dopey Bozo wrote:
Certainly one of the problems. Over consumption is another.
Duh?
Thanks for that flash of brilliant deduction, Sherlock, you've at last managed to make 2+2=4.
Not all

Edgewood, NM

#16 Jun 6, 2011
LessHypeMoreFact wrote:
<quoted text>
You are analyzing noise. Trying to find 'correlations' in the year to year variabiltiy of GHG emissions vs the various climate oscillations that have nothing to do with the long term slope.
Did you even pass grade school?
I did, pass grade school and found correlations.

Correlations are sciences' hints. A correlation is when one thing and another thing happen within the same variables. Nothing has to be known about the cause or effect to be a correlation. Observed correlations are often the basis for scientific hypothesis.

In the graph presented of increases in CO2, when temperatures were warmest, we can see the highest increases in CO2 concentrations; when temperatures were the coolest we can see the lowest increase in CO2 concentrations. This is a correlation.

An interesting correlation as the 1992 time period of cooler temps was the result of decreased solar insolation due to the particles in the atmosphere from the Pinatubo eruption in 1991.

NASA studied this and found that even the smallest amount of change in solar insolation caused a cooling of the earth's temperatures.

And at the same time we see the amount of increase of CO2 concentration drops significantly from the surrounding warmer years.

Were there fewer gallons of gasoline sold in this time period. Fewer coal power electric plants operating in the 1991-92 time frame? Did we plant more rain forests?

Maybe more people purchased carbon credits that year?
Fun Facts

Edgewood, NM

#17 Jun 6, 2011
The above post #16 is posted by Fun Facts

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#18 Jun 6, 2011
Fun Facts wrote:
Scroll down thru this you will find a chart that shows the annual growth rate of CO2. Notice how on the years that are the warmest CO2 increases the most, also notice that when temps go down, CO2 increases are smaller. 1992 low CO2 increases, 1998 highest CO2 increases.
http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/trends/
The lowest growth rate was in 1992, following the global cooling from Pinatubo.
"The cloud over the earth reduced global temperatures. In 1992 and 1993, the average temperature in the Northern Hemisphere was reduced 0.5 to 0.6°C and the entire planet was cooled 0.4 to 0.5°C. The maximum reduction in global temperature occurred in August 1992 with a reduction of 0.73°C. The eruption is believed to have influenced such events as 1993 floods along the Mississippi river and the drought in the Sahel region of Africa. The United States experienced its third coldest and third wettest summer in 77 years during 1992." http://geography.about.com/od/globalproblemsa ...
700,000 years of ice core data indicate that temperature changes precede CO2 changes. Temperatures go up and CO2 follows, temperatures go down and CO2 follows. Looks like the pattern we can see in the NOAA data.
A cool ocean surface absorbs more CO2 and a warm ocean surface less, dufus- you have it backwards.

The oceans are not putting out more CO2 when it warms, they are absorbing less anthropogenic CO2.
Fun Facts

Edgewood, NM

#19 Jun 6, 2011
Fair Game wrote:
<quoted text>
A cool ocean surface absorbs more CO2 and a warm ocean surface less, dufus- you have it backwards.
The oceans are not putting out more CO2 when it warms, they are absorbing less anthropogenic CO2.
There was nothing in my post about oceans.

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain hideaway, SE Spain

#20 Jun 6, 2011
Oops:
25 April 2011
Warmer oceans release CO2 faster than thought
As the world's oceans warm, their massive stores of dissolved carbon dioxide may be quick to bubble back out into the atmosphere and amplify the greenhouse effect
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn20413-w...

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