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China will not follow if US commits to deep CO2 cuts: official

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The Chinese government will not commit to deep cuts in its national emissions of CO2 even if the US government agrees to a legally binding target to reduce its output of the global warming gas, Chinese government official Yu Qingtai said Tuesday.

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Bob Burns

Kunming, China

#494 Apr 19, 2009
clear n present stranger wrote:
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85 of the 130 members of the Protestant Fangcheng church arrested August 23 were charged with "using a cult to sabotage the law of the nation and the enforcement of rules." A Chinese government spokesman claimed last week that the church members are part of a dangerous cult. Fangcheng leader Zhang Rongliang insists, however, that the group subscribes to mainstream Protestant theology and practice. Zhang was arrested with several other prominent house church leaders one year ago and sentenced to two years in labor camp. Authorities released him in February, however, citing health considerations.
Christianity Today magazine reported the arrests of another 53 Protestants in August, all members of a house church movement called the China Evangelistic Fellowship. On August 2, police ransacked and closed a Bible school held in a home in Hubei province and arrested 35 students and teachers. Eleven members of the church were arrested in neighboring Henan province, and on August 21, seven leaders were detained in Shaanxi province, north of Hubei.
The Vatican news agency Fides reported September 5 that newly appointed auxiliary bishop Jiang Ming Yuan of Hebei province, a member of the underground church, was detained on August 26. Fides said two other bishops from Hebei have been missing since police detained them in 1996.
Fides described the arrest as a new chapter in the campaign by the Beijing government to completely eliminate the unofficial Catholic Church, which has an estimated 8 million members loyal to the pope. The government-controlled Catholic Patriotic Association is barred from ties with the Vatican.
The U.S.-based Cardinal Kung Foundation reported that on August 30 Chinese police detained a priest, 20 nuns, a seminarian, and two lay persons. Father Liu Shao-Zhang, 38, was "severely beaten, causing him to vomit blood," the foundation said. Two of the nuns were released a day later after parishioners paid a large sum of money to the Public Security Bureau. The others remain in detention and the two nuns were instructed not to leave their house without permission from police.
The U.S. group also said the underground archbishop of Fuzhou, Yang Shudao, is now under 24-hour surveillance by police. He had been detained for a brief time in February.
Under an anti-cult law, two members of a Buddhist sect were sentenced to three years in prison, the Information Center for Human Rights and Democracy reported September 9. Liu Yin and Gan Suqin were convicted by a court in the eastern city of Ningbo of being followers of Supreme Master Ching Hai and proselytizing for her Guan Yin Famen sect, the Information Center said.
Good. Those who would use religion as a pretext to promote their political agenda should be exposed and given their reward for sedition

“CO2 is Gaseous Love”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#495 Apr 20, 2009
Bob Burns wrote:
... Since there's no one to whip them to a froth for this or that position, no one really gives a damn about those places. They're more or less happy to let America run around doing the hard work of policing. Our interest in the world is trade and biz...
An amoral foreign policy that supports genocidal regimes is no big whoop.
Bob Burns

Kunming, China

#496 Apr 20, 2009
Brian_G wrote:
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An amoral foreign policy that supports genocidal regimes is no big whoop.
Neither support nor condemnation. Everybody is allowed to go their own way, do their own thing, follow their own path. That's their business, and none of our own. Imagine the opposite. We decide whats correct for each country, and enforce it. Which country should we start with, to make over in our image? Impose our values and ways?

“CO2 is Gaseous Love”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#497 Apr 20, 2009
Where to start? How about with genocide?

Stopping genocide means acknowledging the Somali regime is killing people in Darfur. Joining international sanctions would be helpful.
Bob Burns

Kunming, China

#498 Apr 20, 2009
Brian_G wrote:
Where to start? How about with genocide?
Stopping genocide means acknowledging the Somali regime is killing people in Darfur. Joining international sanctions would be helpful.
They'll kill till they get tired of it, or they reach an agreement, or one side is finished off. Was it ever not so? I personally may not like it, or have sympathy or enmity for one side or the other, or I may think "good, finish those bastards off". There are, and always will be, conflicts/contests/differences of opinion, etc. Are we to play god, and be the arbitrator of all that for all time? A thankless task, as the Americans are finding out. No matter whose side one chooses, the other will be angry and then you have a problem. Why load up with extra problems? The west is bogged down with the weight of these self-inflicted problems. We are free of them and are benefiting greatly. Why should we follow you to hell? "The road to hell is paved with good intentions". The west is quite short-sighted, ideologically-driven, moralistic, and absolutist, stemming form it's monotheistic culture. Sorry, that's not us. But you go ahead if you want. I don't predict a good end, however. If your country, be it Germany or America, wants to apply to be a member of Greater China, thereby achieving peace, prosperity, and harmony, get up a petition and give it to our embassy. There are over 60 ethnic/linguistic/religious/cu ltural groups happily calling ourselves "Chinese", even tho technically we're not. Chinese society is extremely inclusive, and we can find room for you
LessHypeMoreFact

Toronto, Canada

#499 Apr 20, 2009
Brian_G wrote:
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An amoral foreign policy that supports genocidal regimes is no big whoop.
Obama is winding down the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. Get over it.

P.S. does anyone notice that the strongest supporters of the RepubliCON party in the U.S. are now economic migrants working in Germany and China?? I wonder what that means.. ;-)
clear n present stranger

Berkeley, CA

#500 Apr 20, 2009
Bob Burns wrote:
<quoted text>Good. Those who would use religion as a pretext to promote their political agenda should be exposed and given their reward for sedition
You just said it all and as far as I'm concerned freedom of religion doesw not in fact exist in China.

The pretext claim is absolute BS.

Sedition is an act against the State, which apparently means practicing a religion not properly registered with people who will arrest you for your beliefs.
clear n present stranger

Berkeley, CA

#501 Apr 20, 2009
Bob Burns wrote:
<quoted text>Neither support nor condemnation. Everybody is allowed to go their own way, do their own thing, follow their own path. That's their business, and none of our own. Imagine the opposite. We decide whats correct for each country, and enforce it. Which country should we start with, to make over in our image? Impose our values and ways?
China is doing just that in Africa and Central America.
Bob Burns

Kunming, China

#502 Apr 20, 2009
clear n present stranger wrote:
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China is doing just that in Africa and Central America.
Yep. Which is why they have no problem or complaint with us
Bob Burns

Kunming, China

#503 Apr 20, 2009
clear n present stranger wrote:
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You just said it all and as far as I'm concerned freedom of religion doesw not in fact exist in China.
The pretext claim is absolute BS.
Sedition is an act against the State, which apparently means practicing a religion not properly registered with people who will arrest you for your beliefs.
We have a policy of separation of church and state, like you. Unlike you, we take it seriously. The proper function of religion is to serve mans spiritual needs. The function of the state is to care for mans temporal needs. Even Jesus understood that. Give unto Ceaser what is Ceasers. Your mad you can't use the church to promote your political agenda. Tough shit. Now you want to pour out your bile at being frustrated. Again tough shit on you. Your lies are transparent, your anger shows you up as a pissant
Bob Burns

Kunming, China

#504 Apr 20, 2009
LessHypeMoreFact wrote:
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Obama is winding down the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. Get over it.
P.S. does anyone notice that the strongest supporters of the RepubliCON party in the U.S. are now economic migrants working in Germany and China?? I wonder what that means.. ;-)
The insane have taken over the asylum? Which you will turn into a trashy, India-like place? Didn't want to go down with the ship? You smell bad? You deserve the obamination, we deserve better?
MattJ

San Jose, CA

#505 Apr 20, 2009
Bob Burns wrote:
<quoted text>We have a policy of separation of church and state, like you. Unlike you, we take it seriously. The proper function of religion is to serve mans spiritual needs. The function of the state is to care for mans temporal needs. Even Jesus understood that. Give unto Ceaser what is Ceasers. Your mad you can't use the church to promote your political agenda. Tough shit. Now you want to pour out your bile at being frustrated. Again tough shit on you. Your lies are transparent, your anger shows you up as a pissant
Your lies are getting more and more unbelievable,'Bob'. Especially since you can't even spell 'Caeser' right. Is English even REALLY your first language?

And oh, BTW: the false definition you preach here for "religious freedom" is the Communist lie, it is NOT the religious freedom our Founding Fathers fought to establish in our Bill of Rights and Constitution.

Finally, no, you are grossly misreading the famous passage, "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's and unto God what is God's". It was NOT about "separation of Church and state", it was NOT about spiritual versus worldly needs, it was about obedience to the State and paying the taxes. The lying dissembler who posed the question was trying to trap Christ into either teaching sedition or into surrendering religion to the State.

Despite your gross misreading, he failed to trap Christ.
Bob Burns

Kunming, China

#506 Apr 20, 2009
MattJ wrote:
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Your lies are getting more and more unbelievable,'Bob'. Especially since you can't even spell 'Caeser' right. Is English even REALLY your first language?
And oh, BTW: the false definition you preach here for "religious freedom" is the Communist lie, it is NOT the religious freedom our Founding Fathers fought to establish in our Bill of Rights and Constitution.
Finally, no, you are grossly misreading the famous passage, "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's and unto God what is God's". It was NOT about "separation of Church and state", it was NOT about spiritual versus worldly needs, it was about obedience to the State and paying the taxes. The lying dissembler who posed the question was trying to trap Christ into either teaching sedition or into surrendering religion to the State.
Despite your gross misreading, he failed to trap Christ.
Your vile attempts to use religion for political purposes is corrupt and blasphemous

“CO2 is Gaseous Love”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#507 Apr 21, 2009
Religion helps us find our values, in China the highest value is the needs of the state. It’s an efficient prison.

I'm glad you like living there, it sounds like an interesting place to visit.
Bob Burns

Kunming, China

#508 Apr 21, 2009
Brian_G wrote:
Religion helps us find our values, in China the highest value is the needs of the state. It’s an efficient prison.
I'm glad you like living there, it sounds like an interesting place to visit.
"The needs of the state" are to manage the public sector well,'cause if they don't, they will have to run for their lives. Any who wish to worship any of the 1000 gods, pray all day for whatever, spend as much time as they like in whatever religious building, join any order, be a monk or nun, can do as they like. No one will stop them, in fact there's nobody to stop them. If you got a political activity, like raising an issue, discussing politics, policy, criticizing the govt, or whatever, get on down to the CCP hall and freely have your say. You won't be bothered one little bit. It's the venue designed just for that. If one is seriously intrested in governance, one can join the party, serve on committees, boards, etc, and advance according to merit. The party is not militant or militarized in any way. It is free from dogma and ideology, concerned, in the Chinese way, with issues of practicality and pragmatism. What to do and how to do it in a way that brings max benefit to the max number of people. The name "Communism" has been retained, but any hint of it is long gone. Think about it. How else could so many rise so fast, and at the same time be so happy? Only free-market Capitalism, freedom, and oppertunity
White Lord

South Africa

#509 Apr 21, 2009
Bob Burns wrote:
<quoted text>"The needs of the state" are to manage the public sector well,'cause if they don't, they will have to run for their lives. Any who wish to worship any of the 1000 gods, pray all day for whatever, spend as much time as they like in whatever religious building, join any order, be a monk or nun, can do as they like. No one will stop them, in fact there's nobody to stop them. If you got a political activity, like raising an issue, discussing politics, policy, criticizing the govt, or whatever, get on down to the CCP hall and freely have your say. You won't be bothered one little bit. It's the venue designed just for that. If one is seriously intrested in governance, one can join the party, serve on committees, boards, etc, and advance according to merit. The party is not militant or militarized in any way. It is free from dogma and ideology, concerned, in the Chinese way, with issues of practicality and pragmatism. What to do and how to do it in a way that brings max benefit to the max number of people. The name "Communism" has been retained, but any hint of it is long gone. Think about it. How else could so many rise so fast, and at the same time be so happy? Only free-market Capitalism, freedom, and oppertunity
http://chinaview.wordpress.com/2007/03/29/lis...
White Lord

South Africa

#510 Apr 21, 2009
he Tibetan Government-in-Exile released new video footage of the protests in Lhasa last year that confirms the use of extreme violence and torture by Chinese authorities. The footage is evidence against the Chinese communist regime’s denial that torture is used in Tibet.

“This extremely rare and shocking footage confirms our worst fears about the horrific pain and suffering Tibetans are experiencing at the hands of the Chinese authorities in the wake of last year’s uprising,” said Lhadon Tethong, Executive Director of Students for a Free Tibet, in a press release.

“The brutality of the Chinese authorities against Tibetans in this footage is not the exception to, but rather the rule of, Beijing’s treatment of the Tibetan people over the past 50 years,” he said.

One segment of the video, recorded on March 14, 2008, shows Chinese police beating Tibetan prisoners with batons, after they were arrested in the protests. The prisoners have their hands tied behind their backs and can only curl in an attempt to resist the beatings.

Another segment of the video shows gruesome images of a young Tibetan by the name of Tendar being tortured by Chinese authorities. He was reportedly fired at, beaten with an electric baton, burned with cigarettes, and his right foot was pierced by a nail.

The video shows him after being brought to the TAR People’s Hospital. His body is covered with rotting wounds from lack of proper treatment. The hospital removed 2.5 kg of decaying flesh.

Tendar died from his injuries on June 19, 2008.

The protests in Tibet began on March 10, 2008, leading up to the Beijing Olympics.

Officials from the Chinese Communist Party have repeatedly denied that torture was used in Tibet. In November 2008 when the U.N. panel released a report on the use of torture on Tibetans by Chinese police, the Chinese Foreign Ministry called the reports “untrue and slanderous” and accused the committee members of being “prejudiced” against China.

In the Lhasa protests and the following crackdown by the communist regime, close to 220 Tibetans were killed, more than 1,294 were seriously injured, and more than 1,000 simply disappeared. The Chinese authorities arrested more than 5,600 Tibetans, of which 290 are known to have been sentenced.

The Chinese Communist Party is still holding Tibet under martial law.

The video, which is at times difficult to watch, can be seen at: http://footage.tibetanbridges.com/Torture-in-...
clear n present stranger

Berkeley, CA

#512 Apr 21, 2009
Bob Burns wrote:
<quoted text>We have a policy of separation of church and state, like you. Unlike you, we take it seriously. The proper function of religion is to serve mans spiritual needs. The function of the state is to care for mans temporal needs. Even Jesus understood that. Give unto Ceaser what is Ceasers. Your mad you can't use the church to promote your political agenda. Tough shit. Now you want to pour out your bile at being frustrated. Again tough shit on you. Your lies are transparent, your anger shows you up as a pissant
Is poisoning children with lead a problem for you?

How about hazmat filled sheetrock? Not a problem?

Poisoned baby formula?

How about lead containing face paint for kids?

Melamine tainted candy?

Imports from China were recalled by the U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission twice as often as products made everywhere else in the world, including the U.S., a WND study of government 2007 reports shows.

Of the 152 product recalls announced by the commission since January, 104 have been for products made in China. They include:

Portable baby swings that entrap youngsters, resulting in 60 reports of cuts, bruises and abrasions;

Swimming pool ladders that break, resulting in 127 reports of injuries, including leg lacerations requiring up to 21 stitches, five reports of bone fractures, two back injuries, two reports of torn ligaments and eight sprained ankles;

Faulty baby carriers that result in babies falling out and getting bruised, getting skulls cracked and hospitalizations;

Easy-Bake Ovens that trap children's fingers in openings, resulting in burns;

Oscillating tower fans whose faulty wiring results in fires, burns and smoke inhalation injuries;

Exploding air pumps that have resulted in 13 lacerations including six facial injuries and one to the eye;

Bargain-priced oil-filled electric heaters, selling for less than $50, that burn down homes;

Notebook computer batteries that burn up computers, cause other property damage and burn users;

Circular saws with faulty blade guards that result in cutting users, not wood.

Why anyone would buy anything from you guys is a mystery to me.

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