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In Europe, as opposed to the U.S., social safety net softens the slump

There are 157 comments on the www.msnbc.msn.com story from May 7, 2009, titled In Europe, as opposed to the U.S., social safety net softens the slump. In it, www.msnbc.msn.com reports that:

While economic forecasts are just as dire on this continent as in the United States, Germany’s citizens — and, indeed, most across western Europe — can count on a broad government safety net that includes generous unemployment checks, universal healthcare and inexpensive university education to tide them over.

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A Nnoyed

Brooklyn, NY

#149 May 14, 2009
Education is definitely better in Europe.

I prefer the crime in the US personally. It may be more violent but far less frequent. Theft in Europe, even breaking into homes to steal is dealt about as harshly as having an open alcohol container in New York City.

I got really bored of having my car broken into and my wife's friends and family all have multiple stories each of bikes, TVs video players being stolen. I've been pickpocketed more than once on the continent. None of these things has ever happened to me in Brooklyn or Manhattan.

No one ever gets punished for it and it's almost viewed as 'cheeky'.

Like I alluded to before, neither is better or worse. Just different pros and cons.
the_truth_be_tol d2006

Columbia, TN

#150 May 14, 2009
Alan Cozzi wrote:
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Wage slaves?!?!?!?!? Blind loyalist idiot!!!
the guys making all those world class cars, weapons and IT products in Germany are just wage slaves in some bannana republic, huh????
try and BS someone else, some of us have been there and know the people
Nice try, but you're starting to sound like a 12 year old reading from his "I Love Obama and Socialism" manual. Mindless drone? Don't be a douche.
See Note #3 from my list of what ifs- Have to find trade partners that give us the profit. We're America, it's not happening.
Case in point, 2008 we ran a $42 Billion trade deficit with Germany.
Now for the slave wage comparison. China trade deficit in 2008 was $266 Billion. Mexico,$64 Billion. South Korea, 13 Billion. India,$8 Billion and growing. The list goes on. All places that have slave wage level workers and all place that take American jobs.
So, who do we have a trade surplus with? Haiti. Food. They're starving.

But even more importantly, you've never explained how replacing the numerous "Evil Corporate Warlords" with just one "Evil Government Warlord" is supposed to make us all prosperous. You say it will but you never do.
It's the difference between Reality and Liberals. Liberals are always ready to take and give away other people's money. Never their own. Nothing is free.
the_truth_be_tol d2006

Columbia, TN

#151 May 14, 2009
More facts.
That trade surplus with Haiti? 494 million.

Trade deficit due to NAFTA outside of country specific?$140 Billion

Trade deficit with the EU Union no country specific?$90 Billion.

Is it any wonder we're broke? Until the system is fixed, we won't be profitable. Ever again.
No amount od Socialism and overtaxing is going to fix this. Stopping Corporate Whoredom will.

“RUN, FACISM IS COMMING!!!”

Since: Jul 08

SUBURBIA

#152 May 16, 2009
the_truth_be_told2006 wrote:
<quoted text>
Nice try, but you're starting to sound like a 12 year old reading from his "I Love Obama and Socialism" manual. Mindless drone? Don't be a douche.
See Note #3 from my list of what ifs- Have to find trade partners that give us the profit. We're America, it's not happening.
Case in point, 2008 we ran a $42 Billion trade deficit with Germany.
Now for the slave wage comparison. China trade deficit in 2008 was $266 Billion. Mexico,$64 Billion. South Korea, 13 Billion. India,$8 Billion and growing. The list goes on. All places that have slave wage level workers and all place that take American jobs.
So, who do we have a trade surplus with? Haiti. Food. They're starving.
But even more importantly, you've never explained how replacing the numerous "Evil Corporate Warlords" with just one "Evil Government Warlord" is supposed to make us all prosperous. You say it will but you never do.
It's the difference between Reality and Liberals. Liberals are always ready to take and give away other people's money. Never their own. Nothing is free.
eat it, blind loyalist!

other countries do it very very well, but they, unlike we, do not have sycophants and pussies who will bring down the criminal element in tht gov't.

I agree with you about govn't corruption - it is killing us!

But why do @#$%head Americans just apathetically throw up thier hands and give up when a politician is busted, or refuses to testify??? If we demanded due dilegince and due process for these elitist fucks, in both the corporation and the govn't, SO MANY MORE RESOURCES WOULD BE THERE FOR THE PEOPLE.

You might be surprised to find that I agree with the right about taxation and smaller gov'nt

....too bad all the Pubs in the last several decades ALL grew the govn't and raised taxes...

Remove the graft, no bid contracts, connections to big corporate interests, etc. AND WE COULD PROVIDE OUR CITIZENS THE THINGS OTHER COUNTIES DO!

we are 14th in broadband, but have the highest prices (thanx for removing utilty protections for the people Reagan & Clinton! I hope your deaths are/were utterly horrifying...)

we have an educational system like the third world, NO INDUSTRIALIZED WESTERN COUNRY HAS SUCH UNHEALTHY, UNEDUCATED KIDS, NONE!(thnx to all the Repuglicants and rednecks who vote against education! check the voting record, that statement is very easily verified and immutable)

we have the worst healthcare for an industrialized nation...

we have NONE of the best GDP anymore...

we are SEVENTH in houses owned per capita, the top five home owning countrys are SOCIALIST CAPITALISMS (do you Cletus', rednecks and retards even KNOW that socialism and capitalism are not contradictory/? n/m, you'd have to stop blowing Rush to know that....)

we are sixth in businesses owned per capita (yeah, that;s right blind loyalist retards, the "ameritard dream" is more likely achieved in other countries)

EVERY COUNTRY BEATING US IN THESE CATEGORIES ARE OUR ALLIES AND CUSTOMERS.... AND SOCIALISTS

PROOF: cia.gov , nationmaster.com
the_truth_be_tol d2006

Columbia, TN

#154 May 16, 2009
Alan Cozzi wrote:
<quoted text>
eat it, blind loyalist!
other countries do it very very well, but they, unlike we, do not have sycophants and pussies who will bring down the criminal element in tht gov't.
I agree with you about govn't corruption - it is killing us!
But why do @#$%head Americans just apathetically throw up thier hands and give up when a politician is busted, or refuses to testify??? If we demanded due dilegince and due process for these elitist fucks, in both the corporation and the govn't, SO MANY MORE RESOURCES WOULD BE THERE FOR THE PEOPLE.
You might be surprised to find that I agree with the right about taxation and smaller gov'nt
....too bad all the Pubs in the last several decades ALL grew the govn't and raised taxes...
Remove the graft, no bid contracts, connections to big corporate interests, etc. AND WE COULD PROVIDE OUR CITIZENS THE THINGS OTHER COUNTIES DO!
we are 14th in broadband, but have the highest prices (thanx for removing utilty protections for the people Reagan & Clinton! I hope your deaths are/were utterly horrifying...)
we have an educational system like the third world, NO INDUSTRIALIZED WESTERN COUNRY HAS SUCH UNHEALTHY, UNEDUCATED KIDS, NONE!(thnx to all the Repuglicants and rednecks who vote against education! check the voting record, that statement is very easily verified and immutable)
we have the worst healthcare for an industrialized nation...
we have NONE of the best GDP anymore...
we are SEVENTH in houses owned per capita, the top five home owning countrys are SOCIALIST CAPITALISMS (do you Cletus', rednecks and retards even KNOW that socialism and capitalism are not contradictory/? n/m, you'd have to stop blowing Rush to know that....)
we are sixth in businesses owned per capita (yeah, that;s right blind loyalist retards, the "ameritard dream" is more likely achieved in other countries)
EVERY COUNTRY BEATING US IN THESE CATEGORIES ARE OUR ALLIES AND CUSTOMERS.... AND SOCIALISTS
PROOF: cia.gov , nationmaster.com
You're extremely difficult to stand. One minute you make reasonable statements, then you veer off into mindless rants and namecallings...like I should give a shit. You either aren't very old, or not very intelligent.
You never answered the question, either. Constant referencing to websites that don't even support your claims doesn't really make you sound well informed at all.

Next time just answer:

"I have no idea" or

"It be magic" or

"Obammy told me so"

Your current answer just makes you sound like a guy that had (has) his lunch money taken by the school bully on a daily basis...Poor baby.
Overtaxed

Duffield, VA

#155 May 17, 2009
the_truth_be_told2006 wrote:
<quoted text>

It's the difference between Reality and Liberals. Liberals are always ready to take and give away other people's money. Never their own. Nothing is free.
This statement is a bit misleading. I am fairly liberal in my thoughts on social policy. When I voted for Obama, I did so knowing that MY taxes would probably go up. What most liberals have a problem with is not paying more taxes, it is what those dollars go to pay for. IF the president raises MY taxes to help the 50 MILLION American citizens without health insurance, to get some, I will be happy to pay more. IF the president raises MY taxes to shore up social security, I will be happy to pay more. If the president wishes to raise my taxes so that he can give corporations a tax break to take American jobs overseas.... or give no-bid contracts to a bunch of defense contractors... or if he wants to give big oil a subsidy while they are making record profits already..... Well, I think you get the idea.
Government and taxes can do a lot of good or a lot of evil. It is up to the taxpayer to choose candidates who best reflect how and where he wants his taxes spent.
the_truth_be_tol d2006

Columbia, TN

#156 May 17, 2009
Overtaxed wrote:
<quoted text>
This taxes spent.
I'm sorry that you voted for Obama. Buyers remorse should soon be kicking in, but it's too late.
Let's examine some of your scenarios

"IF the president raises MY taxes to help the 50 MILLION American citizens without health insurance, to get some, I will be happy to pay more". First, that's a very misleading statement. The 42 million include illegal aliens, and against all socialist propaganda, people aren't turned away from medical care. Have you ever been to the hospital? They charge indigent patients onto your bill.
Now the Obama plan sounds all hunky dory, but the fact is that by realigning as he plans to do, you aren't going to just raise the level of care to the 42 million, but you will lower the level of care to about 100 million. Have you ever been to a VA Hospital? It isn't good. Go to Johnson City some day and be amazed. Of course the medical field is all for this as they can now legally and ethically dump a whole lot of Medicare and Medicaid patients into the waiting list dumper of socialized medicine. It's not like they were making huge profits off the reduced allowances that these programs held them to. What we are going to wind up with is a huge shift to a forced two tiered system, where those that can afford it get great healthcare, and those who are socialized get waiting lists a bureaucrats deciding what treatments fit their models. Just like Cuba, but they don't want to talk about that.
raise taxes to shore up Social Security. If they want to make SS solvent, they need to stop raiding it. Every President since that program was started has used it as a second income tax. Obama is no different.
You want jobs to stop leaving the United States? End free trade. There is no solution otherwise. As long as businesses can get their product made at slave labor wages, they will. Raising taxes only encourages them to leave. The only way Americans can "compete" under current standards is for American workers to relegate themselves to slave wage standards. Break the cycle or continue the decline. Bottomline.
Oil subsidies. I am one of the few on here that seem to understand that Big Oil is going to make their profit one way or the other. Without the subsidies, they would just raise the price at the pump. I would rather the Hunts get the money than give it to the Palestinians, like Obama has done. That's a no win situation, unless you want to start a non profit oil company. Good luck with that.

You're right though, taxes can be used for good or evil. I wasn't impressed with Bush in the least, but I'm definitely not seeing much good in the future under Obama either. Worse.

“RUN, FACISM IS COMMING!!!”

Since: Jul 08

SUBURBIA

#157 May 21, 2009
the_truth_be_told2006 wrote:
<quoted text>
You're extremely difficult to stand. One minute you make reasonable statements, then you veer off into mindless rants and namecallings...like I should give a shit. You either aren't very old, or not very intelligent.
You never answered the question, either. Constant referencing to websites that don't even support your claims doesn't really make you sound well informed at all.
Next time just answer:
"I have no idea" or
"It be magic" or
"Obammy told me so"
Your current answer just makes you sound like a guy that had (has) his lunch money taken by the school bully on a daily basis...Poor baby.
nice opinions without basis you have there

what you need are evidence, links & bibliography

otherwise you are merely.... well, you = uselsess baseless opinion
the_truth_be_tol d2006

Columbia, TN

#158 May 21, 2009
Alan Cozzi wrote:
<quoted text>
nice opinions without basis you have there
what you need are evidence, links & bibliography
otherwise you are merely.... well, you = uselsess baseless opinion
Ok, now you're just being a dumbass.

I asked you the question. I don't need to provide links, evidence nor a bibliography to substantiate a question.
It's apparent that you really have no foundation for your left wing propaganda, and that's the most foolish part of all this. There really is no plan that anyone, not even the Whitehouse, can even attempt to try to defend.
That's the fact of all this, and the Emporer is quickly losing all his mass media induced clothes.

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#159 May 21, 2009
the_truth_be_told2006 wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm sorry that you voted for Obama. Buyers remorse should soon be kicking in, but it's too late.
Let's examine some of your scenarios
"IF the president raises MY taxes to help the 50 MILLION American citizens without health insurance, to get some, I will be happy to pay more". First, that's a very misleading statement. The 42 million include illegal aliens, and against all socialist propaganda, people aren't turned away from medical care. Have you ever been to the hospital? They charge indigent patients onto your bill.
Now the Obama plan sounds all hunky dory, but the fact is that by realigning as he plans to do, you aren't going to just raise the level of care to the 42 million, but you will lower the level of care to about 100 million. Have you ever been to a VA Hospital? It isn't good. Go to Johnson City some day and be amazed. Of course the medical field is all for this as they can now legally and ethically dump a whole lot of Medicare and Medicaid patients into the waiting list dumper of socialized medicine. It's not like they were making huge profits off the reduced allowances that these programs held them to. What we are going to wind up with is a huge shift to a forced two tiered system, where those that can afford it get great healthcare, and those who are socialized get waiting lists a bureaucrats deciding what treatments fit their models. Just like Cuba, but they don't want to talk about that.
raise taxes to shore up Social Security. If they want to make SS solvent, they need to stop raiding it. Every President since that program was started has used it as a second income tax. Obama is no different.
You want jobs to stop leaving the United States? End free trade. There is no solution otherwise. As long as businesses can get their product made at slave labor wages, they will. Raising taxes only encourages them to leave. The only way Americans can "compete" under current standards is for American workers to relegate themselves to slave wage standards. Break the cycle or continue the decline. Bottomline.
Oil subsidies. I am one of the few on here that seem to understand that Big Oil is going to make their profit one way or the other. Without the subsidies, they would just raise the price at the pump. I would rather the Hunts get the money than give it to the Palestinians, like Obama has done. That's a no win situation, unless you want to start a non profit oil company. Good luck with that.
You're right though, taxes can be used for good or evil. I wasn't impressed with Bush in the least, but I'm definitely not seeing much good in the future under Obama either. Worse.
They will let you die in the lobby they are under no obligation to see you. look up 'Patient dumping'

“RUN, FACISM IS COMMING!!!”

Since: Jul 08

SUBURBIA

#160 May 21, 2009
the_truth_be_told2006 wrote:
<quoted text>
Ok, now you're just being a dumbass.
I asked you the question. I don't need to provide links, evidence nor a bibliography to substantiate a question.
It's apparent that you really have no foundation for your left wing propaganda, and that's the most foolish part of all this. There really is no plan that anyone, not even the Whitehouse, can even attempt to try to defend.
That's the fact of all this, and the Emporer is quickly losing all his mass media induced clothes.
MY CLAIM WAS THAT THERE ARE BETTER CITIES, MORE GDP, MORE HOMES PER CAPITA AND MORE BUSINESSES PER CAPITA IN OTHER COUNTRIES THAN HERE.
I CLEARLY LISTED AND SUPPLIED LINKS AND PROOF OF THOSE CLAIMS.
NOW WHAT IS YOUR STUPID @#$ TALKING ABOUT? UNABLE TO FU@#$5G READ OR CARRY ON CONVERSATION?
I MADE CLAIMS, I BACKED THEM WITH CLEAR, MULTIPLE BIBLIOGRAPHIC INFO.
YOU HAVE MERELY SPOUTED VENOMOUS CRAP BECAUSE YOUR TOO STUPID TO DO ANYTHING MORE SUBSTANTIAL...
the_truth_be_tol d2006

Columbia, TN

#161 May 21, 2009
Alan Cozzi wrote:
<quoted text>
MY CLAIM WAS THAT THERE ARE BETTER CITIES, MORE GDP, MORE HOMES PER CAPITA AND MORE BUSINESSES PER CAPITA IN OTHER COUNTRIES THAN HERE.
I CLEARLY LISTED AND SUPPLIED LINKS AND PROOF OF THOSE CLAIMS.
NOW WHAT IS YOUR STUPID @#$ TALKING ABOUT? UNABLE TO FU@#$5G READ OR CARRY ON CONVERSATION?
I MADE CLAIMS, I BACKED THEM WITH CLEAR, MULTIPLE BIBLIOGRAPHIC INFO.
YOU HAVE MERELY SPOUTED VENOMOUS CRAP BECAUSE YOUR TOO STUPID TO DO ANYTHING MORE SUBSTANTIAL...
Apparently you don't even know how to read your statistics then. let's look at some of your claims, using your own sources.
Crime.
United States 11.877 million crimes total
France 6.523 million crimes total
Germany 6.507 million crimes total

It sounds like the United States has a worse crime problem, but let's look deeper. Considering that the United States has over 3 times the population of Germany and over 5 times the population of France, you should be able to understand that both countries have a far worse scenario than we do. Factor in the fact that over half of the major crimes committed in America are done so by minority factions, an element that is not prominent in neither Germany nor France and the picture changes even more.

Ok, now let's look at education. The United states spends the highest percentage of our GDP on education at (7%). Higher than any other country. France spends 6.1%, Germany 5.3%. The United States outspends both France and Germany by 33% per capita for primary school children. We pay our teachers at a comparable rate with Germany and outspend France by over $10,000/yr/teacher. Our literacy standing is higher than both Germany and France despite the fact that minorities continue to drag down our overall success rate (High School graduation rate of 78% White, Black 55%, Hispanic 52%). Our expected duration of schooling rate is comparable to Germany and exceeds France despite the fact that it is offered at tax payer expense in those countries.

Healthcare
We spend twice per capita on healthcare than either Germany or France. Both France and Germany do have a higher per capita rate for doctors, but considering their career choices are mandated and ours are due to freedom of choice, is that really an unbiased analysis? The fact that both Germany and France have a much higher hospital bed per capita rate shows the shift from selective care to warehouse storage.

Now we can go about this infinitum. Every statistic you posted doesn't back your assertations in the least. But they do support mine.
You should probably learn to read and actually understand before posting. Like I said, it doesn't make you seem intelligent at all. I bet you will choose to continue your infantile tantrums instead though. It's really what the liberal cause is all about. If you can't win, which you never will, just yell really loud until people lose interest.

"But I went on vacation to Paris and it was really cool...much better than the dirty old US" LOL....Pathetic.

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#163 May 21, 2009
the_truth_be_told2006 wrote:
<quoted text>LOL....Pathetic.
That was just sad, no one is stupid enough to buy such blatant bullshit.

Fact The German High school student is a year and a half ahead of the American student at graduation.

Fact the Japanese/Korean student is 3 years ahead of the American.

Fact we simply can no longer compete with Asia Europe or India because we don't have the math skills.

Fact we rank dead last in education compared with all other modern nations.

Fact Your racist nonsense is a good example of how our schools have failed to teach problem solving and morality/ethics (yes, in most countries that's a required high school class).
the_truth_be_tol d2006

Columbia, TN

#164 May 21, 2009
mike_lee wrote:
<quoted text>
That was just sad, no one is stupid enough to buy such blatant bullshit.
Fact The German High school student is a year and a half ahead of the American student at graduation.
Fact the Japanese/Korean student is 3 years ahead of the American.
Fact we simply can no longer compete with Asia Europe or India because we don't have the math skills.
Fact we rank dead last in education compared with all other modern nations.
Fact Your racist nonsense is a good example of how our schools have failed to teach problem solving and morality/ethics (yes, in most countries that's a required high school class).
It's funny how liberals brand anything that tells the truth straight forward and unwavering as "racist". So here are some questions that you'll have to answer, since you insinuate that my post has some nefarious foreshadowing.
1) Why has the math acclimation dropped in the last 20 years?
Could it be the overwhelming influx of cheaper foreign workers entering American colleges with a direct line preference by Corporate America? Emphasis on cheaper?
2) Can you even start to deny that the wide variance in graduation rates between Whites, Blacks and Hispanics just might bring down our overall ranking?
3) Could any decline also be attributed to the liberals changing the overview of education from "reading, writing and arithmetic" to courses that indoctrinate in leftist philosophy instead of teaching what is needed? The second generation of useless knowledge geniuses is now upon us. Do you think we haven't noticed this trend? Do you think that we are going to allow this travesty to remain unopposed?

Fact. You try to make up "facts" and you fail. That's a FACT, whether you consider it "racist" is irrelevent. You can't back up even one of your "facts". It's all crap. The Fact that you also didn't give a solution (Since we already pay the most...is paying more going to fix it?) shines a glaring spotlight on what your cause really is...Spinning with no resolution.
That's the bottomline.

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#165 May 21, 2009
the_truth_be_told2006 wrote:
<quoted text>
It's funny how liberals brand anything that tells the truth straight forward and unwavering as "racist". So here are some questions that you'll have to answer, since you insinuate that my post has some nefarious foreshadowing.
1) Why has the math acclimation dropped in the last 20 years?
Could it be the overwhelming influx of cheaper foreign workers entering American colleges with a direct line preference by Corporate America? Emphasis on cheaper?
2) Can you even start to deny that the wide variance in graduation rates between Whites, Blacks and Hispanics just might bring down our overall ranking?
3) Could any decline also be attributed to the liberals changing the overview of education from "reading, writing and arithmetic" to courses that indoctrinate in leftist philosophy instead of teaching what is needed? The second generation of useless knowledge geniuses is now upon us. Do you think we haven't noticed this trend? Do you think that we are going to allow this travesty to remain unopposed?
Fact. You try to make up "facts" and you fail. That's a FACT, whether you consider it "racist" is irrelevent. You can't back up even one of your "facts". It's all crap. The Fact that you also didn't give a solution (Since we already pay the most...is paying more going to fix it?) shines a glaring spotlight on what your cause really is...Spinning with no resolution.
That's the bottomline.
It's funny how some people blame the devil for their own mistakes. Or how some try to demonize any view but their own, thus attempt to hijack democracy for their own selfish purposes. I'm smart enough to realize I'm probably wrong on some issues and the right wing is probably correct - thus the need for unity. I realize that their has never been a successful one party democracy and if we end up one party in America we are finished.

“RUN, FACISM IS COMMING!!!”

Since: Jul 08

SUBURBIA

#166 May 22, 2009
the_truth_be_told2006 wrote:
<quoted text>
Apparently you don't even know how to read your statistics then. let's look at some of your claims, using your own sources.
Crime.
United States 11.877 million crimes total
France 6.523 million crimes total
Germany 6.507 million crimes total
It sounds like the United States has a worse crime problem, but let's look deeper. Considering that the United States has over 3 times the population of Germany and over 5 times the population of France, you should be able to understand that both countries have a far worse scenario than we do. Factor in the fact that over half of the major crimes committed in America are done so by minority factions, an element that is not prominent in neither Germany nor France and the picture changes even more.
Ok, now let's look at education. The United states spends the highest percentage of our GDP on education at (7%). Higher than any other country. France spends 6.1%, Germany 5.3%. The United States outspends both France and Germany by 33% per capita for primary school children. We pay our teachers at a comparable rate with Germany and outspend France by over $10,000/yr/teacher. Our literacy standing is higher than both Germany and France despite the fact that minorities continue to drag down our overall success rate (High School graduation rate of 78% White, Black 55%, Hispanic 52%). Our expected duration of schooling rate is comparable to Germany and exceeds France despite the fact that it is offered at tax payer expense in those countries.
Healthcare
We spend twice per capita on healthcare than either Germany or France. Both France and Germany do have a higher per capita rate for doctors, but considering their career choices are mandated and ours are due to freedom of choice, is that really an unbiased analysis? The fact that both Germany and France have a much higher hospital bed per capita rate shows the shift from selective care to warehouse storage.
Now we can go about this infinitum. Every statistic you posted doesn't back your assertations in the least. But they do support mine.
You should probably learn to read and actually understand before posting. Like I said, it doesn't make you seem intelligent at all. I bet you will choose to continue your infantile tantrums instead though. It's really what the liberal cause is all about. If you can't win, which you never will, just yell really loud until people lose interest.
"But I went on vacation to Paris and it was really cool...much better than the dirty old US" LOL....Pathetic.
Those are Businessweek's and Nationmasters claims, not mine

Still can't read, can you?
Veteran

Naperville, IL

#167 Dec 3, 2012
Rambeaux wrote:
<quoted text>You sound like one of those angry young hippies from 1969.
LOOKS LIKE WELL DOCUMENTED FACT WITH LOTS OF DIVERSE SOURCES. WTF ARE YOU ON? JUST LIKE TO DEVALUE WELL DEFENDED INFORMATION AND FACT?

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