Landis and Lance: Truth, Lies and Evi...

Landis and Lance: Truth, Lies and Evidence

There are 210 comments on the Tour de France News story from May 26, 2010, titled Landis and Lance: Truth, Lies and Evidence. In it, Tour de France News reports that:

By this point, the initial flurry of reaction over Floyd Landis' allegations has died down and a few general memes are already in place.

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Cycing Fan

Statesboro, GA

#1 May 26, 2010
Floyd needs to take his lollipop and go back to Pennsylvania and stay there... he apparently doesn't belong in the world of cyclists or cycling as he is trying to paint a black mark on all of cycling, not clean it up as he claims......From his published emails, it appears he tried to extort, threaten and insult the whole cycling world with distorted lies and claims just because he did not get his way and get on a team he wanted to or get to receive 'way' more money than he is worth. He claims now he has returned to his religion and just wants to make things right.... yeah... Right !!! He needs to get down on his knees again and ask 'What would Jesus do?'...certainly not ever behave the way Floyd is......Floyd has just proven he does not have the integrity or morals to be respected in this sport or at all. He thinks by trying to destroy those who helped him over the years, he'll raise himself up.... Wrong, Floyd! Remember the phrase Lance once used in a stage he let you win, when he said, "Ride like you stole something Floyd" ? Well, Floyd really just stole something now... he stole the spirit right out of the cycling world.... Don't feel proud Floyd, hang your head in shame, then ride on back home and stay there.
Raceman

Los Angeles, CA

#2 May 26, 2010
I believe Floyd Landis had a reality check and decided it was time to come clean. I believe coming forward and saying hey I was doping is an honorable thing. I don't like that fact he doped and do not approve of doping. However, the fact is cycling needs to be cleaned up and if you don't believe that cycling has been tainted by sports enhancements drugs than you might still believe in the tooth fairy as well. I believe with his help and the help of other cyclists coming forward they might have a chance to clean up the sport for the next generation of cyclists. I say think about the junior cyclist coming up in the sport.
Kyle

United States

#3 May 26, 2010
I'm a junior cyclist and yeah doping is not a good thing and should not be part of the sport. Should it get cleaned up sure. Don't think anyone thinks its a good thing. Even at 15 I know that the way Floyd is doing it is just bad sportsmanship. If he wants to clean it up and make it right start by being a good example. Don't point your finger at everyone else like a 10 yr old tattle tale and blame them for your problem. Everyone was doing it so I did to. What ever happened to personal responsibility. And does making it right mean he is going to pay back all his fans that sent him money to defend him when he said he was innocent of doping but oh yeah right you were just lying to us all. If that's the kinda guy he is how am I suppose to look up to him or respect anything he says. I think if cycling needs to get cleaned up he should leave it to the grown ups to do.
gilles Vauclair

New York, NY

#4 May 28, 2010
Cycing Fan wrote:
Floyd needs to take his lollipop and go back to Pennsylvania and stay there... he apparently doesn't belong in the world of cyclists or cycling as he is trying to paint a black mark on all of cycling, not clean it up as he claims......From his published emails, it appears he tried to extort, threaten and insult the whole cycling world with distorted lies and claims just because he did not get his way and get on a team he wanted to or get to receive 'way' more money than he is worth. He claims now he has returned to his religion and just wants to make things right.... yeah... Right !!! He needs to get down on his knees again and ask 'What would Jesus do?'...certainly not ever behave the way Floyd is......Floyd has just proven he does not have the integrity or morals to be respected in this sport or at all. He thinks by trying to destroy those who helped him over the years, he'll raise himself up.... Wrong, Floyd! Remember the phrase Lance once used in a stage he let you win, when he said, "Ride like you stole something Floyd" ? Well, Floyd really just stole something now... he stole the spirit right out of the cycling world.... Don't feel proud Floyd, hang your head in shame, then ride on back home and stay there.
The real insult to the world of cycling is LANCE ARMSTRONG, winning 7 TOURS with the use of EPO and more... the only big names in the last 20 years who has TAKEN DRUGS but has not been caught ! normal he bought a lot of people for their silence ..today, he is no longer a cyclist his only a business man dressed as a cyclist ...
Gus

Vancouver, Canada

#5 May 28, 2010
gilles Vauclair wrote:
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The real insult to the world of cycling is LANCE ARMSTRONG, winning 7 TOURS with the use of EPO and more... the only big names in the last 20 years who has TAKEN DRUGS but has not been caught ! normal he bought a lot of people for their silence ..today, he is no longer a cyclist his only a business man dressed as a cyclist ...
...how do know this,give us your source and facts.
Raymond

Cournonterral, France

#6 May 29, 2010
Hi Gus, Your deeply religous former hero Floyd has decided to tell the truth! He also wants to become a millionaire on the back of pro cycling. Just like Armstrong.

I really do feel for our cycling American friends who would never cheat. A sad let down for them.
speedypete

Johannesburg, South Africa

#7 May 29, 2010
Kyle wrote:
I'm a junior cyclist and yeah doping is not a good thing and should not be part of the sport. Should it get cleaned up sure. Don't think anyone thinks its a good thing. Even at 15 I know that the way Floyd is doing it is just bad sportsmanship. If he wants to clean it up and make it right start by being a good example. Don't point your finger at everyone else like a 10 yr old tattle tale and blame them for your problem. Everyone was doing it so I did to. What ever happened to personal responsibility. And does making it right mean he is going to pay back all his fans that sent him money to defend him when he said he was innocent of doping but oh yeah right you were just lying to us all. If that's the kinda guy he is how am I suppose to look up to him or respect anything he says. I think if cycling needs to get cleaned up he should leave it to the grown ups to do.
As a very senior, old, has been cyclist, I must agree with you. If Landis wanted to come clean and spilled his can of beans, I would have believed him. The way he did it is messy, to say the least. It won't bring him any joy. One cannot confess the sins of others and hope for forgiveness. But...I still like him!!
rodney

Denver, CO

#8 May 29, 2010
cycling fan: change your handle to "lance's desciple." or maybe just "born gullible." cycling needs a black eye. everyone at the top still cheats. the passport buisiness is nonsense.
Ahole

Norwalk, CA

#9 May 30, 2010
rodney wrote:
cycling fan: change your handle to "lance's desciple." or maybe just "born gullible." cycling needs a black eye. everyone at the top still cheats. the passport buisiness is nonsense.
How do they cheat? Or specifically how do they get away with cheating?
JohnT

Westland, MI

#10 May 31, 2010
Read Dave Walsh's book "From Lance to Landis"..... it raises many strong points (with very credible testimony) that at minimum beg for better answers than Lance has provided so far. One would have to be an absolute ostrich - with their head buried deep in the sand - to dismiss the many pieces of evidence pointing at Armstrongs guilt.

But first...read the book (the whole book)...and re-check your opinion when you're done.

Personally, I come away with the opinion that Lance is a great athlete and cyclist; a truly fierce competitor no doubt --- but not a clean winner of the Tour de France.

Furthermore, Lance has maliciously robbed Greg LeMond of a tremendous amount of credit that he deserved for his great (CLEAN) victories in the TdF...and in the process, Lance has damaged LeMonds legitimate income potential by his self-serving attacks against the man who truly deserves the title of "America's Greatest Cyclist so far"......Greg had the integrity to quit the sport while still strong enough to win rather than turn to doping just to keep up.

This is my somewhat educated opinion....before you attack it, please read Walsh's book.
Raymond

Montpellier, France

#11 Jun 1, 2010
JohnT wrote:
Read Dave Walsh's book "From Lance to Landis"..... it raises many strong points (with very credible testimony) that at minimum beg for better answers than Lance has provided so far. One would have to be an absolute ostrich - with their head buried deep in the sand - to dismiss the many pieces of evidence pointing at Armstrongs guilt.
But first...read the book (the whole book)...and re-check your opinion when you're done.
Personally, I come away with the opinion that Lance is a great athlete and cyclist; a truly fierce competitor no doubt --- but not a clean winner of the Tour de France.
Furthermore, Lance has maliciously robbed Greg LeMond of a tremendous amount of credit that he deserved for his great (CLEAN) victories in the TdF...and in the process, Lance has damaged LeMonds legitimate income potential by his self-serving attacks against the man who truly deserves the title of "America's Greatest Cyclist so far"......Greg had the integrity to quit the sport while still strong enough to win rather than turn to doping just to keep up.
This is my somewhat educated opinion....before you attack it, please read Walsh's book.
Hi John, Read it! 100% agree with your sentiments. Others should also, before they pontificate about pro-cycling. Regards raymond
Raymond

Montpellier, France

#12 Jun 1, 2010
Whatever happend to Zencrap? Must have moved on to another lost cause!!
I Know You

Albuquerque, NM

#13 Jun 1, 2010
Raymond wrote:
Whatever happend to Zencrap? Must have moved on to another lost cause!!
What would a drunken frog like you know about others?
MIKKY

Elstree, UK

#14 Jun 1, 2010
there is no proof, no one has any and in till someone does we cannot believe just a sour grape whos life has been made a diaster by his own doing.
Money does not swing it fro everyone so if it was there it would be out by now. No doubt. But htis is what keeps a sport like cycling so addictive to watch and follow! the unknown and the doubt. who is, who isn't. Lets face it we wouldnt bother otherwise.
If contador wins this year then he must be on drugs. Yes? No!!, Why not Vino is a team mate. as Floyd was to Armstrong.
Raymond

Montpellier, France

#15 Jun 1, 2010
I Know You wrote:
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What would a drunken frog like you know about others?
Thanks, Like it Ashole LOL
speedypete

Johannesburg, South Africa

#16 Jun 2, 2010
I Know You wrote:
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What would a drunken frog like you know about others?
Harry, that wasn't very nice of you.
My Opinion_El Paso_Texas

El Paso, TX

#17 Jun 6, 2010
speedypete wrote:
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Harry, that wasn't very nice of you.
Hey Pieter,
Good thing I decided to drop in and surf the latest news.

This idiot is from Sante Fe, New Mexico. There are many cyclists who live up there and many moved in there from California.

Hope your health is improving.

Cheers
Raymond

Montpellier, France

#18 Jun 6, 2010
My Opinion_El Paso_Texas wrote:
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Hey Pieter,
Good thing I decided to drop in and surf the latest news.
This idiot is from Sante Fe, New Mexico. There are many cyclists who live up there and many moved in there from California.
Hope your health is improving.
Cheers
Halllo Harry, Just saying hi, hope you and yours are keeping well.

Regards Raymond.
test

United States

#19 Jun 6, 2010
test

“Carpe Diem”

Since: Mar 07

Bristol UK

#21 Jun 6, 2010
Raymond wrote:
Whatever happend to Zencrap? Must have moved on to another lost cause!!
Updating his BLOG no doubt, should be a lot of deleting and apologising

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