Lance Armstrong Doping Charges to Be Given Extra Weight by Teammate Testimony

Jul 5, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: BleacherReport

The seven-time winner of the Tour de France has long been suspected by many of having cheated his way to those famous victories, but he has managed to avoid being proven as a performance enhancing drug user - until now.

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Gus

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Sounds like it's all sour grapes Tyler,Floyd etc.
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Floyd Landis and Tyler Hamilton were the first to come out against Lance Armstrong.

Then during the federal investigation George Hincapie, Christian Vande Velde, David Zabriskie, and Levi Leipheimer were brought in for questioning.

Just before the TDF the news media reported that four American cyclists declined to race for the US Cycling team, yet never cave any reasons.

Since then a Danis newspaper reported the last four along with Jonathan Voughters as having testified against Lance Armstrong.

The newspaper expalined that these last riders were given a suspended six month suspension for admitting to using drugs, while telling all against Lance Armstrong at the same time.

If all of this is factual, it only continues showing us just how dirty Tygart of USADA is and he'll most likely get even dirtier as this process goes on.
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Lance is as guilty as sin, he will be busted and justice takes its course. Say u first heard it from me here. Yes Lance was good for cycling but he cheated, we need to get it right.
My Opinion_El Paso_Texas

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Jul 9, 2012
 
Certainly wish that this case would be held open to the public like the Floyd Landis case was done.

But, then I also would like to see it run just like the justis system does in our courts as well.

I've been reading quite a bit on other cycling forums and I've still not really seen where anyone has come up with a solution in battaling illegal drugs in sports.

But,then the bodies of higher authority in sports haven't really solved that problem either.
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ARMSTRONG IS A LIAR!
Gus

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ARMSTRONG IS A LIAR!
...REALLY
Cyclingfan

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Lance took it, guilty.
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Jul 12, 2012
 
Hang around and wait till the Soap Opera Circus arrives.

It's clowns have already arrived and are spurting off on the mouth, or was that drooling out of thier mouths.
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Where is the definitive analytical data among the hundreds of samples taken from Armstrong that shows conclusively that he cheated? They do not exist. He was evaluated against the standards in effect at the time during his competitive career, and they showed nothing. Twenty years ago, to protect a buddy who may have impregnated some girl, 10 guys might also admit to doing the deed. The technology did not exist to definitively prove who it was at that time. Same here. Lance has already passed all attempts to find him juicing. None have been conclusive. That US govt ASS, tygart, is on a witch hunt, and will stack the deck to make Lance appear guilty. He has admitted nothing. The us govt HATES successful individuals and organizations.
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Aug 27, 2012
 
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Hi Gus. It all sounds like the Floyd Landis case all over again! A pity Armstrong will not take it further, surely if he is innocent, he SHOULD/MUST protect his image, that is being tarnished by the day. Oh well, we MAY get the truth (again) one day
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Aug 27, 2012
 
...if he does that he'll go broke and will have to share Digs with Floyd...
have fun in the USofA!
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Aug 29, 2012
 
Landis accused Armstrong of cheating and then recinded these before being offered a trial to cycle for Armstrongs Radioshack team but he was not accepted after Team trials.
Immediately after this he again accused Armstrong of cheating and was unable to get a new team and retired.

The only credible witness was Hincapie but he was given a 6 months suspended sentence and allowed to ride in the Tour, not the 2 year ban as normal and all records stripped.
Vande Velde also received 6 months suspended and nothing more and also rode in the Tour.

The issue is credibility of the process and evidense now not whether Armstrong cheated or not and how this shall affect the process and procedures within the WADC for future Athletes.

It may be wrong to produce the right results but s that not what they are accusing of Armstrong of also?

The next 6/12 months shall be very interesting and quite possibly shape the future of how banned substances and practices are dealt with - either re-write the book or scrap it!
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GeeMan wrote:
Landis accused Armstrong of cheating and then recinded these before being offered a trial to cycle for Armstrongs Radioshack team but he was not accepted after Team trials.
Immediately after this he again accused Armstrong of cheating and was unable to get a new team and retired.
The only credible witness was Hincapie but he was given a 6 months suspended sentence and allowed to ride in the Tour, not the 2 year ban as normal and all records stripped.
Vande Velde also received 6 months suspended and nothing more and also rode in the Tour.
The issue is credibility of the process and evidense now not whether Armstrong cheated or not and how this shall affect the process and procedures within the WADC for future Athletes.
It may be wrong to produce the right results but s that not what they are accusing of Armstrong of also?
The next 6/12 months shall be very interesting and quite possibly shape the future of how banned substances and practices are dealt with - either re-write the book or scrap it!
Glad to see someone else who gets it!

You are correct about the next 6-12 months as possibly being interesting as this case isn't over as it seems that UCI is determined to force USADA to provide the proof for their decision on Lance Armstrong.

Until all agencies begin working together on the same goals, this hasn't been any different from any of the "Soap Opera Circus" that's been going on for the past several years in cycling.

And since cycling has been working on the issue of doping, then what does that say about all oter sports?
Regis Le cycliste

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Aug 30, 2012
 
Athos wrote:
<quoted text>Hi Gus. It all sounds like the Floyd Landis case all over again! A pity Armstrong will not take it further, surely if he is innocent, he SHOULD/MUST protect his image, that is being tarnished by the day. Oh well, we MAY get the truth (again) one day
The truth is already there. For many years Lance has been suspect! His former team mates Landis and Hincapie among others have finally confirmed the truth. It is my opinion that George never cheated.

The really sad part of this saga is that "someone" became a multi-millionaire by cheating. Not a positive incentive at all.

Riders such as Bradley Wiggins should be admired, dedication, training and success.
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Aug 30, 2012
 
Regis!

How do you know Hincapie never cheated?

What evidence do you have for this?

Dont say Drugs tests as these are now not reliable.

Also remember Wiggins defended Lance to leave him alone and he was a member of the Cofidis Team who left the TDF after their Team were found to have positive test and physical evidence found in the Team Bus.

The same rationale you will use to say both riders above is the same used to defend Lance and the point is Clean or NOT you can be called a cheat and proven so IF it is so desired.

THATS the whole issue here.

So again how are these riders clean?

You
GeeMan

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Aug 30, 2012
 
Just another small point to note on rules is they can be changed to suit whoever it needs.

Graeme Obree broke World Records on a bike he made himself including washing machine parts and had a straight handlebar.

How was this received? Scorned upon to the point they changed the rules on the bike specification allowed. WHY? The manufacturers were upset and did not want to lose control of their market.

The TT bars you now seen on all bikes for this purpose evolved from this by Obree also.

So dont be too caught up on the rules being used as they shall change when the force is strong enough.
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Aug 31, 2012
 
GeeMan wrote:
Just another small point to note on rules is they can be changed to suit whoever it needs.
Graeme Obree broke World Records on a bike he made himself including washing machine parts and had a straight handlebar.
How was this received? Scorned upon to the point they changed the rules on the bike specification allowed. WHY? The manufacturers were upset and did not want to lose control of their market.
The TT bars you now seen on all bikes for this purpose evolved from this by Obree also.
So dont be too caught up on the rules being used as they shall change when the force is strong enough.
Actually the way time trial handle bars are designed today were developed and eveolved from other areas within the bicycling industry and not from Graeme Obree.

It was the stiff shirted higher ups of the UCI who refused the one hour time trail record established by Graeme Obree with his home made bike because they wanted the records accolplished by a standard designed bicycle.

Just another example where UCI needs to input new and fresh blood humanoids in their organization.
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My Opinion_El Paso_Texas wrote:
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Actually the way time trial handle bars are designed today were developed and eveolved from other areas within the bicycling industry and not from Graeme Obree.
It was the stiff shirted higher ups of the UCI who refused the one hour time trail record established by Graeme Obree with his home made bike because they wanted the records accolplished by a standard designed bicycle.
Just another example where UCI needs to input new and fresh blood humanoids in their organization.
The TT bars evolved fom the SKI sport/position, the first I believe were the Scott DH (downhill) bars
GeeMan

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Oct 10, 2012
 
This whole case just goes to show it was everyone who was at it.

It is interesting however that the vast majority, I think except 2 rider, are USA.

The core of the peleton is in Europe and whilst this has happened I think any US rider will have a real hard time over the next few months.

Omerta goes on and USADA reach wont go as far as Europe.

It is also interesting that USADA toned down their document about UCI covering up tests, not seen it in there yet! DEAL DONE between them possibly?
GeeMan

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Oct 12, 2012
 
wang you are not dissapointing me again.

Read my posts AGAIN and I am the one who said they were ALL at it and there you go.

I am not often wrong but I am right again!

20 out of 21 podiums in TDF dopers and the other has the jury out.

wang whats your point again? Do you have one?

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