Ironman France says Lance Armstrong b...

Ironman France says Lance Armstrong barred from race as he faces fresh doping allegations

There are 26 comments on the The Washington Post story from Jun 14, 2012, titled Ironman France says Lance Armstrong barred from race as he faces fresh doping allegations. In it, The Washington Post reports that:

22, 2009 file photo, Lance Armstrong prepares for the final stage of the Tour of California cycling race in Rancho Bernardo, Calif.

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“Si vis pacem, para bellum !!”

Since: Dec 07

Southeast Virginia

#1 Jun 14, 2012
Damn. The guy beats cancer to come back and win the Tour. He has passed EVERY drug test that he has been forced to take. Enough is enough already. Leave the man alone.
harvey

Columbus, OH

#2 Jun 14, 2012
It's looking more and more like Armstrong's a cheater and a doper, and his angry, arrogant denials are getting less and less believable.

Should we think about changing all his cute little yellow bracelets from 'LIVESTRONG' to 'LIESTRONG?'
la la la

Annapolis, MD

#3 Jun 14, 2012
I really really didn't want to believe ~any ~ of these allegations. I, too survived cancer and hoped the Lance was a beacon of light. At this point, I think he's a liar and doper...so disappointing~

Since: Dec 07

Frankston, TX

#4 Jun 14, 2012
harvey wrote:
It's looking more and more like Armstrong's a cheater and a doper, and his angry, arrogant denials are getting less and less believable.
Should we think about changing all his cute little yellow bracelets from 'LIVESTRONG' to 'LIESTRONG?'
A stupid little commie says he's guilty......because Lance is a conservative. Ghosts of stalin live in people like harvey, hoping for the day of long bread lines and soup lines. Last Christmas, harvey asked for a pony and a dictatorship for the poletariat.
harvey

Columbus, OH

#5 Jun 14, 2012
Blueballs-Gristle wrote:
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A stupid little commie says he's guilty......because Lance is a conservative. Ghosts of stalin live in people like harvey, hoping for the day of long bread lines and soup lines. Last Christmas, harvey asked for a pony and a dictatorship for the poletariat.
Hey, stalker, I know NOTHING about his politics. But you, clearly believing him a fellow Rightie, seem to want to defend him no matter what he's done. Not surprising, since Righties HAVE NO ETHICS OF ANY KIND. They just stalk and attack people who disagree with them and who consistently make them look stupid, as I do you.

You sad-assed, out-of-touch McCarthyites think we're going to give the country to you. That'll NEVER happen, punk. Dream on!:)

Since: Dec 07

Frankston, TX

#6 Jun 14, 2012
harvey wrote:
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Hey, stalker, I know NOTHING about his politics. But you, clearly believing him a fellow Rightie, seem to want to defend him no matter what he's done. Not surprising, since Righties HAVE NO ETHICS OF ANY KIND. They just stalk and attack people who disagree with them and who consistently make them look stupid, as I do you.
You sad-assed, out-of-touch McCarthyites think we're going to give the country to you. That'll NEVER happen, punk. Dream on!:)
You said he was guilty, you sad little communist. He's been tested 5 times, no evidence of any doping or anything else. Your solicalst French surrendercrat buddies can't accept an American/Texan winning 7 times so they keep after hime. Your total lack of support of your fellow countrymen has been obvious. Soros over the Kock Brothers, Muslims over Christians, Clinton the draft dodger over Bush the fighter pilot. I will continue after you, picklehead. I helped to keep the commies at bay in Germany during the 60's and I'll continue now.

Never happen?? You've forgotten 2010 and the Wisconsin recall. The socialist cancer on America is slowly being cut out of the system. The Fidel Castro wannabe's are being chased out. Get used to it, boy. Don't need to do anything to make you look stupid. You're pretty good at that all by yourself.
harvey

Columbus, OH

#7 Jun 14, 2012
Bluebonnets-Thistle wrote:
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You said he was guilty, you sad little communist. He's been tested 5 times, no evidence of any doping or anything else. Your solicalst French surrendercrat buddies can't accept an American/Texan winning 7 times so they keep after hime. Your total lack of support of your fellow countrymen has been obvious. Soros over the Kock Brothers, Muslims over Christians, Clinton the draft dodger over Bush the fighter pilot. I will continue after you, picklehead. I helped to keep the commies at bay in Germany during the 60's and I'll continue now.
Never happen?? You've forgotten 2010 and the Wisconsin recall. The socialist cancer on America is slowly being cut out of the system. The Fidel Castro wannabe's are being chased out. Get used to it, boy. Don't need to do anything to make you look stupid. You're pretty good at that all by yourself.
Jesus, you're a moron. You babble incessantly about politics, sociailsm, and totally irrelevant, offtopic crap as if I cared.

No more posts for you on this thread unless you stay ontopic, little boy.
French Fry

United States

#8 Jun 14, 2012
Shocked and seriously disappointed!

Since: Dec 07

Frankston, TX

#9 Jun 14, 2012
harvey wrote:
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Jesus, you're a moron. You babble incessantly about politics, sociailsm, and totally irrelevant, offtopic crap as if I cared.
No more posts for you on this thread unless you stay ontopic, little boy.
"It's looking more and more like Armstrong's a cheater and a doper"

Very much on topic. Your words, not mine ahole. You defend anti-American zealots from other countries against your own. You'll just have to live with it. I'll post again, nothing a little commie can do about it.

It's so funny how screwballs such as yourself think that a Muslim officer crying "Allah Akbar" while shooting up an army base is considered to have committed"Workplace Violence"while American Christian Veteran TEA Party citizens get classified as "Domestic Terrorists".

See your proctologist and have your head removed.
Them Apples

United States

#10 Jun 14, 2012
It's not harvey's fault for not seeing through the BS. I kind of wish ol' Lance would say something, but then again, he'd probably just end up the victim of a "freak heart-attack" in a fancy restaurant somewhere.

Lance probably said "No" to the administration, and now the powers-that-be are going to do everything in their power to do him in. I guess they wanted him to endorse a "Tour de Stimuli" fundraising event, and he turned them down. Poor Lance. Doesn't he know that according to Obama's DOJ, he has no rights?
harvey

Columbus, OH

#11 Jun 15, 2012
Them Apples wrote:
It's not harvey's fault for not seeing through the BS. I kind of wish ol' Lance would say something, but then again, he'd probably just end up the victim of a "freak heart-attack" in a fancy restaurant somewhere.
Lance probably said "No" to the administration, and now the powers-that-be are going to do everything in their power to do him in. I guess they wanted him to endorse a "Tour de Stimuli" fundraising event, and he turned them down. Poor Lance. Doesn't he know that according to Obama's DOJ, he has no rights?
I didn't want to believe this of Armstrong, I admired the hell out of the guy for beating cancer and winning multiple Tours-de-France. I just feel that the preponderance of the evidence now suggests he's guilty of doping, and given how common that is in cycling, it's more of a disappointment than a surprise.

Silly nonsense about Obama doesn't belong on the board, though.

Since: Dec 07

Frankston, TX

#12 Jun 15, 2012
Them Apples wrote:
It's not harvey's fault for not seeing through the BS. I kind of wish ol' Lance would say something, but then again, he'd probably just end up the victim of a "freak heart-attack" in a fancy restaurant somewhere.
Lance probably said "No" to the administration, and now the powers-that-be are going to do everything in their power to do him in. I guess they wanted him to endorse a "Tour de Stimuli" fundraising event, and he turned them down. Poor Lance. Doesn't he know that according to Obama's DOJ, he has no rights?
Lance rides with Bush in the Wounded Warrior Cycle events. That's against the rules fot the socialst far left. No giving Bush credit for anything, rule imacommie 104

“Si vis pacem, para bellum !!”

Since: Dec 07

Southeast Virginia

#13 Jun 15, 2012
harvey wrote:
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I didn't want to believe this of Armstrong, I admired the hell out of the guy for beating cancer and winning multiple Tours-de-France. I just feel that the preponderance of the evidence now suggests he's guilty of doping, and given how common that is in cycling, it's more of a disappointment than a surprise.
Silly nonsense about Obama doesn't belong on the board, though.
So how many drug tests does he have to pass before you will believe he ISN'T doping??
Actual Aussie

Tauranga, New Zealand

#14 Jun 15, 2012
harvey wrote:
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But you, clearly believing him a fellow Rightie, seem to want to defend him no matter what he's done. Not surprising, since Righties HAVE NO ETHICS OF ANY KIND.
As a 'right-winger', I take offense at your accusation. I bet if he was a 'leftie', you'd be defending Armstrong, which is typical.

On actual topic. If he was a drug cheat (by the rules at that time), then he doesn't deserve any of the wins he has claimed. I don't care if he's dragged it out 10 years; if he cheated, then he should face the consequences.
Andersson

Saint Paul, MN

#15 Jun 18, 2012
This is a pathetic thread. Personal Politics are irrelevant. Get back on topic or get off. Lance will have his day in court. There are several steps in this process. He has not been proven guilty of anything. Conjecture all you want. We live in a society where you are presumed innocent until proven guilty. Period. So, take your mindless opinions, one and all, to the voting booth and get back to issues surrounding cycling. Thanks.
Frank

London, UK

#16 Jun 20, 2012
Politics should be kept well out of this. Embarrassing really!

Back on Topic. This guy has passed numerous drug tests and its getting beyond a joke now.

I believe Armstrong and have no reason to doubt him whatsoever. The man is a legend and should be left well alone.
Beechmuscles

San Diego, CA

#17 Jul 3, 2012
Look at the evidence.... all the so called witnesses are washed up has beens that never amounted to anything. They cheated and were caught because of the same tests Armstrong was submitted to.
If Armstrong was cheating, he too would have been caught. In fact, Armstrong was tested more than any other cyclist and he still passed every test.
The only way anyone could have tried to beat him was by doping. AND AGAIN..... DOPERS ALWAYS GET CAUGHT.
Because he could not be beaten and he had a 'bad attitude' he was disliked. It was peoples dislike for him that brought this whole scandal down. Those has been wash ups that were caught doping came up with one last attempt to beat Lance... create false accusations and try to strip him of his titles.
So heres the evidence....testimoies from witnesses that have been CHANGED or QUALITATIVE FACTS FROM PASSED DRUG TEST.... What speaks stronger.... 10 dopers statements saying they saw him do it (who changed testimonies more than once). Or hard concrete evidence that can never change... ohh yeah and the same result was achieved over 500 times with a negative result......
Cyclingfan

San Francisco, CA

#18 Jul 8, 2012
30 witnesses will testify against Lance. He does not stand a chance.
MelissaB

Wheaton, IL

#19 Sep 5, 2012
Dont kill me for asking but I am serious with this question: Should testimony, alone, be sufficient evidence to strip an athlete of an entire career? and disable their involvement in future participation in sporting events, even if only for charity? These eye witness testimonies should be revealed if the IOC does not agree with USADA ruling. I wont believe another competitors' title/medal/victory unless these "watchdogs" get their priorities straight and in-sync.
GeeMan

Newport, UK

#20 Sep 6, 2012
This topic appears to have been bounced across a lot of different relevant and non-relevant issues!

Cyclefan there are not 30 witnesses noted in any USADA confirmations and the only number noted was 10 former team mates and other riders.

Beechmuscles make the same point I see that how do you value statements from these 10 when everyone has failed pasts as well as shown to be liars on the record to people like USADA but now its OK and they are being truthfull.

You also need to look at 2 other issues such what do thes people have to gain and have their statements been gained within the Constitutional requirements and rules of the Governing Bodies of the associated sport, doping agencies and IOC.

Hamilton who could receive a placemet in TDF events through chnging them even though he actually cheated and money from his book that would never have seen light of day if the latest USADA action had not been taken.

Landis appears, in my opinion, to have cut a deal that kept him out of jail and only having to repay the hundreds of thousands of dollars he gathered from fans as his campaign fund to fight charges he cheated. How do you get prosecuted for Fraud and end up only paying back what you were given and keep yourself out of Jail and no Legal costs either - would that have happened if Armstrong was not the target and he was willing to testify? No of course not. Just think about the moneythe US Goverment would have saved if they had said Floyd pay back what you owe and we call it quits, but that option only became available recently and why did his case get kept back until after the Armstrong issue probably the same reason why it was kept back for Hincapie to ride his last TDF.

Hincapie and the other active riders I believe, in my opinion, given a deal of 6 months possibly suspended if they tetified against Lance and allowed to comete in the Tours despite admitting they took PED's and shoud have been given a 2 year ban immediately.

USADA broke their rules, WADC and WADA rules, IOC rules and the basic constitutional rights of Armstrong as well as those who testified to obtain the Statements and have admitted breaking their own rules and by default those of the the other governing bodies
Please also note thatthe ttsimonies being stated as being iven under oath to a Federal Judge/Court/Other are not relevant as the case these relate to are the US Federal department case beingraised against Armstrong for Fraud when he rode for US Postal and as such received Governent money. This case was dropped dueto the DA Department telling them to as there no credible evidence and the chances were it would be thrown out quickly. Therefore all evidence was discarded so the testimonies picked up by USADA are only their own with NO legal background.

Also note the recent Judge statements in his summing up said the say basically as well as slating Armstrong Team for submitting nothing more than a marketing dosier.
It did however attach a Federal ruling on the contents of USADA case!

There are also now calls within the Powers that be for a Judicial review of USADA and this case. Not surprising really with the PULL Armstrong has.

Im not saying he did or did not take PED but I m saying he passed every test given without fail unlike others and going down the road of USADA will only put every athelete past, present and future as a potential cheat regardless any test they have passed in the pas/now/future.

If this is adopted Sport will see a massive decline in those who wish to participate due to added risk.

The battle for those making, administering and taking PED's will not be the drugs and masking agents in the future but the Anti-doping procedures and find a way around them to discredit them and they have more money, better DR's and more influence than those chasing them.

Maybe not the end message we all hope for but cold reality of making the prize big enough and cheating will be present - Like Politics!!!!

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