Opinion: U.S. cycling must lead the g...

Opinion: U.S. cycling must lead the global fight against doping

There are 10 comments on the Velonews story from Oct 30, 2012, titled Opinion: U.S. cycling must lead the global fight against doping. In it, Velonews reports that:

Since it was Americans who led cycling's worst doping conspiracy, says David Chauner, it should be Americans who lead the fight for a clean sport.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at Velonews.

Gus

Vancouver, Canada

#1 Oct 30, 2012
What a load Merde,don't blame the Americans,it's been going on in Europe since the days of Coppi,Boyer went over and a few others,then the 7-11s,it started building from there then USPS and obviously they decided to beat them,one had to join them and it is said they were all involved,Riders,Coaches,Doctor s,Soigneurs,Team owners and USADA had to destroy Lance when they should have gone after all of them instead of shaming Cyclings' Hero,shame one shame them all,as for the Squealers they are nothing but a bunch of Assholes that were bribed with short suspensions and legal protection.
GeeMan

Glenrothes, UK

#2 Oct 31, 2012
The media have astory they can feed for weeks on to a public who have no idea apart from the minority who are into cycling.

I am still amazed at the reaction from the majority of US folks who had no idea about it.

As soon as the next doping saga opens for another Sport they will inherit the HYPE and Cycling will roll along as it always has.
My Opinion_El Paso_Texas

United States

#3 Nov 1, 2012
Way to go there Gus.

I believe that there is a point here about the US now needs to lead the fight against doping.

After the Festina affair, France lead thew fight against doping.

After the Telecom affair, Germany lead the fight against doping.

Now after the Lance Armstrong affair, the United States needs to lead the fight against doping.

But, first we need to clean out US Cycling as they've neeb corrupt for too long and USADA needs to be reorganized by bringing in new people as Travis Tygart and present company are too corrupt themselves.

Cheers
My Opinion_El Paso_Texas

United States

#4 Nov 1, 2012
Armstrong Ruling Questioned By Doping Experts

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/armstrong-rul...

Question to all here in this forum:

Does the "Statue of Limitation(s)" change in your country's legal system in relation to whether or not the "Defendent" comes to coutrt?
GeeMan

Glenrothes, UK

#5 Nov 1, 2012
I donít agree with the article that UCI have lost credibility in upholding USADA findings as they quite clearly stated to WADA they must appeal the +8 years sanctions to uphold their code.
They have in my opinion played it quite cute in saying OK USADA have broken the rules so we shall agree with them and hand it back to you and see how you now deal with all your own broken rules. it is apt justice on them for the following reasons.

The +8 years I see in 2 parts. The first part is based in USA as USADA stated in court and in media LA has NO access to US Law and then use it themselves to establish their reason to act on +8 year. For USADA that means anyone in an anti-doping case in USA can have access to US Law and Constitutional Rights.
It is also fair to determine that if a finding post ruling is based on terms denied to a defendant then an appeal is available to the defendant on the same basis of law as he is being part/full found guilty.
Would LA appeal No I donít think so.

2nd Part is outside USA and with WADA for International recognition if they decide to accept a national doping agency can exclude article 17 using 'Home Laws' to sanction beyond +8 years. If they do it allows access to athletes on doping charges to use Home Law and gain full legal rights.

What is the issue? WADA changed their rules and bulldozed through a change to WADC Rules to exclude Home Rule in doping cases. If the donít appeal the case it means that has all been done for nothing and back to square one.

One final point I would add is that if WADA tried to action a Euro athlete who is registered in one of the European Union countries this exclusion of Home Law would be thrown out as only European Supreme Court laws can be used across international boundaries in a measure of equality.

“Carpe Diem”

Since: Mar 07

Bristol UK

#6 Nov 3, 2012
Gus wrote:
What a load Merde,don't blame the Americans,it's been going on in Europe since the days of Coppi,Boyer went over and a few others,then the 7-11s,it started building from there then USPS and obviously they decided to beat them,one had to join them and it is said they were all involved,Riders,Coaches,Doctor s,Soigneurs,Team owners and USADA had to destroy Lance when they should have gone after all of them instead of shaming Cyclings' Hero,shame one shame them all,as for the Squealers they are nothing but a bunch of Assholes that were bribed with short suspensions and legal protection.
You are part right Gus, but can you or any of us now say that Robic '47 4648 miles, Bartali '48 - 4118 miles, Coppi '49 - 4813 miles,- Kubler, Koblet, Bobet, Walkowiak!!!!!!!. Then we get to Anquetil 1957, Mmmmmmm? I only met two of these, Bobet and Anquetil.
Up until Anquetil, I would think there was not a lot of doping, some, yes, but not as sophisticated as today
My_Opinion_El Paso_Texas

United States

#7 Mar 18, 2013
Athos wrote:
<quoted text>You are part right Gus, but can you or any of us now say that Robic '47 4648 miles, Bartali '48 - 4118 miles, Coppi '49 - 4813 miles,- Kubler, Koblet, Bobet, Walkowiak!!!!!!!. Then we get to Anquetil 1957, Mmmmmmm? I only met two of these, Bobet and Anquetil.
Up until Anquetil, I would think there was not a lot of doping, some, yes, but not as sophisticated as today
Sounds about right!

Cheers
turtle

Huddersfield, UK

#8 Mar 19, 2013
WoW Way to go gus indeed, and way to go the gang. You guys must be some of the original contributors on this forum, or the longest running. I would take my hat off if i had one.
Oh and i see geeie has returned !! did you go on holiday or had your broadband supplier gone bankrupt. Whatever the reason for your absence, its nice to see you back here once again. Although you appear to have returned in a blaze of glory expressing mostly facts, but some of your own opinions as well. In and on USA, international, European union members and finally the European supreme courts laws. Now i am not here, trying to annoy or pick at any of your comments. So i won,t do that. I just wish to know whether you personally, are someone who works in these areas of law. Or maybe you have studied law at university or even in your own time. Gathering together and building up a breadth of knowledge, which most people who practice in law and justice would be envious of. You may be a magistrate with an interest in international and organisational law. A barrister? or a court clerk even, who works in these areas of expertise. QC ? having built on your original knowledge base, by working with the London Olympic team. Helping to bring the UK a successful games, but when necessary and possible going after the cheats, maybe?. Or just a supreme court judge, sharing his vast legal expertise with us mere mortals. while eating foie gras with a late-harvest Alsace Tokay Pinot Gris from Zind-Humbrecht.
Although if my memory serves me correctly, not all your past comments on legal issues in the sporting arena of international cycling, or the legal issues surrounding that cheat and liar la were correct. Or that could be just the way my memory works, allowing me to remember certain things painted in a different light than they actually were. Something i know i am prone to do from time to time, so i apologize now if that is the case.
Its wonderful to read your comments again geeie, as i and i assume others were scared for your health. More accurately, if you still had a pulse. So i am happy that we worried unnecessarily and that you are fine. It was just with your absence starting at the same time la appeared to disappear, from tweeting and all publicity or manipulation of the media (knowing the game was up). It was just such a coincidence, so it just seemed that one of you was likely to end the game of life. I should of had more faith in you, especially as you had demonstrated your tough chin time and time again. As the truths emerged about la. So let us all forget what went on in the past and move on to new and fresh pastures.
I am sure i say this for all here, not just me, Welcome back Geeie.
Turtle
turtle

Huddersfield, UK

#9 Mar 19, 2013
GeeMan wrote:
I donít agree with the article that UCI have lost credibility in upholding USADA findings as they quite clearly stated to WADA they must appeal the +8 years sanctions to uphold their code.
They have in my opinion played it quite cute in saying OK USADA have broken the rules so we shall agree with them and hand it back to you and see how you now deal with all your own broken rules. it is apt justice on them for the following reasons.
The +8 years I see in 2 parts. The first part is based in USA as USADA stated in court and in media LA has NO access to US Law and then use it themselves to establish their reason to act on +8 year. For USADA that means anyone in an anti-doping case in USA can have access to US Law and Constitutional Rights.
It is also fair to determine that if a finding post ruling is based on terms denied to a defendant then an appeal is available to the defendant on the same basis of law as he is being part/full found guilty.
Would LA appeal No I donít think so.
WoW Way to go gus indeed, and way to go the gang. You guys must be some of the original contributors on this forum, or the longest running. I would take my hat off if i had one.
Oh and i see geeie has returned !! did you go on holiday or had your broadband supplier gone bankrupt. Whatever the reason for your absence, its nice to see you back here once again. Although you appear to have returned in a blaze of glory expressing mostly facts, but some of your own opinions as well. In and on USA, international, European union members and finally the European supreme courts laws. Now i am not here, trying to annoy or pick at any of your comments. So i won,t do that. I just wish to know whether you personally, are someone who works in these areas of law. Or maybe you have studied law at university or even in your own time. Gathering together and building up a breadth of knowledge, which most people who practice in law and justice would be envious of. You may be a magistrate with an interest in international and organisational law. A barrister? or a court clerk even, who works in these areas of expertise. QC ? having built on your original knowledge base, by working with the London Olympic team. Helping to bring the UK a successful games, but when necessary and possible going after the cheats, maybe?. Or just a supreme court judge, sharing his vast legal expertise with us mere mortals. while eating foie gras with a late-harvest Alsace Tokay Pinot Gris from Zind-Humbrecht.
Although if my memory serves me correctly, not all your past comments on legal issues in the sporting arena of international cycling, or the legal issues surrounding that cheat and liar la were correct. Or that could be just the way my memory works, allowing me to remember certain things painted in a different light than they actually were. Something i know i am prone to do from time to time, so i apologize now if that is the case.
Its wonderful to read your comments again geeie, as i and i assume others were scared for your health. More accurately, if you still had a pulse. So i am happy that we worried unnecessarily and that you are fine. It was just with your absence starting at the same time la appeared to disappear, from tweeting and all publicity or manipulation of the media (knowing the game was up). It was just such a coincidence, so it just seemed that one of you was likely to end the game of life. I should of had more faith in you, especially as you had demonstrated your tough chin time and time again. As the truths emerged about la. So let us all forget what went on in the past and move on to new and fresh pastures.
I am sure i say this for all here, not just me, Welcome back Geeie.
Turtle
My Opinion_El Paso_Texas

United States

#10 Mar 20, 2013
turtle wrote:
<quoted text>WoW Way to go gus indeed, and way to go the gang. You guys must be some of the original contributors on this forum, or the longest running. I would take my hat off if i had one.
Oh and i see geeie has returned !! did you go on holiday or had your broadband supplier gone bankrupt. Whatever the reason for your absence, its nice to see you back here once again. Although you appear to have returned in a blaze of glory expressing mostly facts, but some of your own opinions as well. In and on USA, international, European union members and finally the European supreme courts laws. Now i am not here, trying to annoy or pick at any of your comments. So i won,t do that. I just wish to know whether you personally, are someone who works in these areas of law. Or maybe you have studied law at university or even in your own time. Gathering together and building up a breadth of knowledge, which most people who practice in law and justice would be envious of. You may be a magistrate with an interest in international and organisational law. A barrister? or a court clerk even, who works in these areas of expertise. QC ? having built on your original knowledge base, by working with the London Olympic team. Helping to bring the UK a successful games, but when necessary and possible going after the cheats, maybe?. Or just a supreme court judge, sharing his vast legal expertise with us mere mortals. while eating foie gras with a late-harvest Alsace Tokay Pinot Gris from Zind-Humbrecht.
Although if my memory serves me correctly, not all your past comments on legal issues in the sporting arena of international cycling, or the legal issues surrounding that cheat and liar la were correct. Or that could be just the way my memory works, allowing me to remember certain things painted in a different light than they actually were. Something i know i am prone to do from time to time, so i apologize now if that is the case.
Its wonderful to read your comments again geeie, as i and i assume others were scared for your health. More accurately, if you still had a pulse. So i am happy that we worried unnecessarily and that you are fine. It was just with your absence starting at the same time la appeared to disappear, from tweeting and all publicity or manipulation of the media (knowing the game was up). It was just such a coincidence, so it just seemed that one of you was likely to end the game of life. I should of had more faith in you, especially as you had demonstrated your tough chin time and time again. As the truths emerged about la. So let us all forget what went on in the past and move on to new and fresh pastures.
I am sure i say this for all here, not just me, Welcome back Geeie.
Turtle
Hey Turtle, you might want to look at the dates of GeeMan's last post here.

Some Elfs must have gone through some of the older threads a while back and as some of us were getting really fed up with Drumroll, I'm guessing that those Elfs decided to have a little fun.

The Elfs must have gone through some of the older threads, opened them up and answered them with my post title, which in turn quickly changed them to the front of the main listing when coming into the forum.

You know how those pesky Elfs can be once they get up to their mischef.

Cheers

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