Not Even Lance Deserves This

Not Even Lance Deserves This

There are 42 comments on the Slate Magazine story from Dec 12, 2013, titled Not Even Lance Deserves This. In it, Slate Magazine reports that:

Lance Armstrong is being sued by the DOJ and Floyd Landis for $120 million, in part thanks to the Wartime Suspension of Limitations Act.

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Sherm

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#1 Dec 18, 2013
Armstrong stood in front of adoring children and cancer patients, telling them he was a hero and a man of honor.

He crushed the careers of those who told the TRUTH about his doping.

Armstrong made millions by lying, cheating, and bullying.

Yes, Lance Armstrong absolutely deserves to loose every cent and every bit of success he ever made with these lies.
Cyclist

Ottawa, Canada

#2 Dec 22, 2013
For the above mentioned reasons Lance should loose all his money.
Real

Wasco, CA

#3 Jan 2, 2014
Sherm: "Yes, Lance Armstrong absolutely deserves to loose every cent and every bit of success he ever made with these lies.

Can't say that I disagree with that but how about all the $$$M that companies such as Trek made using his name? At some level they HAD to have known the truth. What about them? How do we let them go unpunished? Why are the cheaters like George Hincapie essentially given a pass? The deception does not start and end with Lance Armstrong.

Nope, I don't have the answer but only raise the question.
Regis le cyclist

Montpellier, France

#4 Jan 13, 2014
Two Irishmen were sitting in a pub when the Tour de France came on the TV.
Mick and Seamus watched the cyclists for a while then Seamus asked, "Why do they do that?"

"Do what?" said Mick.

"Go on them bikes for miles and miles, up and down the hills, round the bends. Day after day, week after week. No matter if it's icy, raining, snowing, hailing ... why would they torture themselves like that?"

"It's all for the money," says Mick. "The winner gets half a million Euros”.

"I see." says Seamus, "But why do the others do it?"

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#6 Apr 9, 2014
I believe a lot of people didn't get what they deserved because Lance Armstrong is a fraud. People legitimately worked hard, trained their asses off only to be beaten by a cheater. Not only should he be stripped financially, but his reputation should forever be crippled.

Nail him for everything he's worth, and more. He cheated how many times?

"Admission and apology[edit]

On January 4, 2013, The New York Times reported that Armstrong had told associates and antidoping officials that he was considering publicly admitting having used banned performance-enhancing drugs and blood transfusions during his cycling career.[50] Armstrong's attorney, Tim Herman, denied the report that he has decided to admit to doping charges and told The Associated Press: "When, and if, Lance has something to say, there won't be any secret about it."[51]

In an interview with Oprah Winfrey on January 13, 2013 (aired later in two parts), Armstrong admitted to using performance enhancing drugs throughout much of his career, including all seven Tour de France wins.[52] In the interview, Armstrong stated that his "mythic, perfect story" was "one big lie", and attributed his denials to being "a guy who expected to get whatever he wanted, and to control every outcome."[53][54] The Associated Press and other media reported that Armstrong had made an apology to the Livestrong staff before his interview with Winfrey.[55] Armstrong said that while doping, he neither felt that it was wrong nor felt bad about what he was doing.[56] He further elaborated on doping throughout his career: "My ruthless desire to win at all costs served me well on the bike but the level it went to, for whatever reason, is a flaw. That desire, that attitude, that arrogance."

In that interview he also insisted he was clean during the two comeback years of 2009 and 2010, after UCI had implemented its Biological passport program that included stricter whereabouts rules and the monitoring of blood profiles."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lance_Armstrong_...

He didn't feel that what he was doing was wrong?
He didn't feel bad about it?
His ruthless desire?

He's a no good lying cheater. Make an example out of him. Teach future generations that cheaters should never profit from their ill-gotten gains, and if they do, nail them to the wall. I don't think any of his accomplishments should be recognized, and he should forever be stripped of all of it. His name, his finances, and his future should be stomped into the ground.

Just my opinion as both a triathlete, and a coach.

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#7 Apr 9, 2014
"In that interview he also insisted he was clean during the two comeback years of 2009 and 2010,"

His word is sh*t. I don't care what he claims, he a liar, and I hope he's remembered as one.

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#8 Apr 9, 2014
Sherm wrote:
Armstrong stood in front of adoring children and cancer patients, telling them he was a hero and a man of honor.
He crushed the careers of those who told the TRUTH about his doping.
Armstrong made millions by lying, cheating, and bullying.
Yes, Lance Armstrong absolutely deserves to loose every cent and every bit of success he ever made with these lies.
And MORE!

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#9 Apr 9, 2014
Regis le cyclist wrote:
"It's all for the money," says Mick. "The winner gets half a million Euros”.
"I see." says Seamus, "But why do the others do it?"
For love of the sport, for excelling to the best of their abilities with out cheating, for well earned respect, and to be able to say "I did it" with pride. Too bad Lancie screwed sportsmanship. What a let down.

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#12 Apr 10, 2014
NoahRS wrote:
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When was the last time you got on a bike to race at the amateur level, let alone the pro level? I'm really curious.
Do you know how much physical and mental effort is necessary to spin up a crankset to maintain a 35 mph average for over 100 miles? Even those cyclists who don't dope cheat a little to win a bike race. Chris Froome was took food inside 3K to go on stage 18 of the 2013 TDF to hold on to the yellow jersey. Cavendish deliberately caused Veeler to crash to try and beat Kittel on stage 10. How much of that is "I did it with pride?"
Stop talking out of your a$$. Doping is NOT the proverbial Spinach that made Popeye strong when he wasn't. Doping only gives an athlete an edge, and not much of it. Winning a bike race takes years of training, determination, hours on the saddle, a physical ability that's beyond human comprehension, and a psychological "hunger" to win. These guys are burning over 9,000 calories every time they ride a stage in the TDF. That's nearly a 2.6 lb weight loss after every stage.
So Lance doped. So he deceived many. So he lied about it at first. So he had his winnings stripped from him. Big effing deal. Christian Vande Velde, as did many others, admitted to doping. How many times did Vande Velde win the TDF and he rode in it 11 times? Did he (Vande Velde) dope any different than Lance?
You said the reason yourself.

Doping only gives an athlete an edge, and not much of it. Winning a bike race takes years of training, determination, hours on the saddle, a physical ability that's beyond human comprehension, and a psychological "hunger" to win. These guys are burning over 9,000 calories every time they ride a stage in the TDF. That's nearly a 2.6 lb weight loss after every stage.

Doping "ONLY" gives an athlete an edge.

You're right, winning a bike race takes years of training, determination, hours on the saddle, a physical ability that's beyond human comprehension, and a psychological "hunger" to win.

And for the person who does that legit, he's ripped off because some cheater got the "edge".

Sometimes, that's all it takes.

For an athlete, I'm surprised that you're not more angry about this. There is no "pro" level in my sport. There is no money gained in my sport. There isn't anything other then, I'm this good, I beat this person, I won. I'm the best, I got silver, I made finals. So on, and so on.

Doping can be the difference between gold, and silver. Doping can be the difference in making finals or not. Doping gives an edge for someone while at the same time, taking the chances away from someone who deserves it because they're not doping, and their doing it legit.

Ya, as an athlete you should be more pissed at this. I'm guessing that you weren't even close to making the cut otherwise you would be.

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#13 Apr 10, 2014
NoahRS wrote:
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For claiming to be a triathlete and a coach, you sure sound like a sore loser, especially when all 6 of your loley posts, have been on this thread.
Not a sore loser, just someone who saw cheaters win, then get the respect of winning only to be disgraced later. Witnessing someone who trained their asses off, 30+ hours a week, that should have won, and was out done by a cheater with such a minuscule amount it was heart breaking.

And your commenting on my 6 posts, and where they are. honestly? What does that matter? I read the article, and I commented on it.

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#16 Apr 10, 2014
It's really plain and simple, I don't get why you don't understand it.

Doping is cheating regardless who does it.

Don't you get that? You can give me a hundred different names, a bunch of different sports, but the simple fact remains. Don't cheat. Don't be a fraud, don't lie about doping or doing drugs to get the "edge", and compete with honor. It's really that simple, because if you can't win without cheating, you're never a winner in the first place, just a lying cheat that doesn't deserve winning, and all the perks that go along with it.

As far as "which cheaters did you see win?" Really? You can't do a simple google check on athletes that have achieved greatness only to have that taken away from them because of doping?

Look up the hours, and dedication of any sport, and what it takes to be competing at top levels, and you can bet you're looking at 30+ hours a week. Those are the sports that require top athletic conditioning.

Who did I witness train their ass off for 30+ hours a week? Lots Noah. The simple fact that you're asking me that tells me that you haven't.

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#17 Apr 10, 2014
1.1. Marion Jones

A once decorated Olympian, Marion Jones became the first woman ever to win a total of five medals at the 2000 Sydney Olympic games, but was later stripped of her titles when she admitted in 2007 to using banned substances

2. 5. Ben Johnson

Only three days after winning the 1988 Olympic gold for the 100m in just 9.79 seconds, Ben Johnson tested positive for stanozolol and stripped of his gold medal as well as his previous 1987 World Championship title.

3.UK sprinter Dwain Chambers faces the race of his life next month, as he attempts to win an Olympic medal at the 2012 games in London — and complete a long journey back from the disgrace of his 2003 suspension for doping.

Chambers, who has devoted much of his time since then to persuading others to steer clear of performance-enhancing drugs, has admitted to using six different substances banned by the sporting authorities. These included two anabolic steroids — a designer drug and a testosterone cream — to accelerate recovery; the hormone erythropoietin (EPO), which increases production of red blood cells, to allow him to do more repetitions in training; human growth hormone for recovery; a thyroid hormone called liothyronine to decrease sluggishness; and a narcolepsy drug called modafinil to increase mental alertness and reaction time.

They are just a few of disgraced cheaters. Throw the book at them, and don't look back. Period.

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#18 Apr 10, 2014
To make sure they hit their targets, athletes training at one of the U.S. Olympic Training Center’s facilities also frequently meet with a team–usually including a nutritionist, exercise physiologist, sports medicine specialist and coach–to discuss their strengths and weaknesses and accordingly tweak their diets, overloading and recovery techniques. If, say, an athlete’s body composition doesn’t measure up to standard, more fitness sessions will be added to their schedule, Bamel says. Athletes feeling fatigued may have their iron levels examined.

Those who make it to the games have to be mentally tough, too. Frequently separated from their families to train or compete in national and international events, they’ve got to juggle their demanding training schedules and personal lives. Since many athletes don’t have sponsors to help cover their daily expenses, some also have side jobs or careers.

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#19 Apr 10, 2014
When athletes are top of the field, and even when they're not, yes Noah, 30+ hours a week can be spent on their conditioning, training, schedules, everything needed to achieve their goal.

Too bad for the athletes that deserve it, there are cheaters that take away from that, and pretty much sh*t on their efforts.

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#20 Apr 10, 2014
You may be asking yourself why am I so interested in Lance Armstrong. Here's why.

I was sitting there with a friend listening to an interview of him. My friend commented that she thought he was an arrogant a**hole, and full of himself. My reply? He deserves every little bit of fame, and money, and all the perks that come with being such a great athlete. Way to go Lance!

Now I'm not so much into the "cycling" world. I don't know a lot of names, I'm the general public. But as the general public, I don't know who came in second, I don't know if who would have come in second wasn't a doper himself, but what I do know, is the person that would have crossed the line first that wasn't a doper is the real winner. It's just too bad people won't remember his name. Isn't it? That's why the book should be thrown at him, that's why I think he should lose everything, and more. That's why I think he's a real loser. He's a selfish prick, and I feel like an idiot for ever thinking he was the greatest.

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#23 Apr 11, 2014
NoahRS wrote:
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So I suppose taking food inside 3KMs to the finish line in the Tour De France, or knocking the lead out man of another team's sprinter, isn't cheating, in your eyes; only doping is: am I correct?
Doing a Google search for which "cheaters" have won, isn't seeing cheaters win. If you tell me you were in Paris in 2005 when Lance won the TDF, then I would believe you "saw" a cheater win. BTW, I was in Paris in 2005 and did see Lance win.
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It's a fair question. The only stupid question is the one you don't ask. So, by saying "lots," you're not being specific and I can reasonably assume your answer is a lie.
I love watching sports. I love watching the competition of sports, I love watching the faces of the people that won, and the pure joy that they feel when they do.

I love watching the podium at Olympic events, and seeing the people get their medals. All their training, and all their hard work, and it finishes with a medal or a high placing. Don't you?

What you speak of, no not cheating, it's all part of the sport.

You saw Lance won? How exciting is that? At the time before this all came out, that must have sure been something. As far as seeing cheaters win? Yes. I have been at National sporting events, I saw records being broken. Yeah, I saw all that, only to find out a couple had their times taken away from doping. Not many, mind you, but a couple of times.

Okay have I seen it "lots", no I haven't seen it. But I've heard it. My aplogies if I led you to believe that I actually witnessed it. I've read about what they do, and I've watched a lot of documentaries on athletes. I'm quite impassioned by it.

Why I'm so mad about Lance is that he didn't do it just once, he did it a lot, and in doing that, he took a lot from people that deserved it, and from people, with families too, that in my opinion was all in vain. I'm not saying the person that would have come in second wasn't a doper, and I'll say this again, I believe that the first person to cross that finish line without the "edge" should have won. He took that away from a lot of people.

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#24 Apr 11, 2014
NoahRS wrote:
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Well then, the truth finally comes out. From your user name, it's reasonably foreseeable you're a woman. With that in mind, and given your admission that you, paraphrased of course, don't know sh*t about cycling, you're the proverbial "scorned" woman, like whom "hell knows no fury."
In short, your opinion is tantamount to the rant of a child who only knows he/she is hurt, but doesn't know why.
Duly noted, Ms. Carly Jane.
Go back to coaching your girl scouts, your pool, spinning class and treadmill, and leave the cycling world to those of us who live it, breathe it, and compete in it.
BTW, if you really think Lance should lose everything else he hasn't already lost, because he confessed to doping, then explain, in your own uninformed opinion, how it is that it's pardonable when an athlete confesses to doping, in order to avoid suspension, but it's not when an athlete confesses to doping, AFTER he's been suspended?
After all; you say that doping is cheating and the consequences thereof are swift and harsh. So why the double standard????
I'll wait.
Hey, no need to insult. I'm hurt because I've been following the story of the "other" athletes that competed with him. That's all. I see their disappointment, and such. I see what he did because of his doping, and ya, I'm angry about it.

I don't coach girl scouts, or do spinning class, and treadmill. I teach boys, and girls, the strokes of swimming. Are they National athletes? No, not at standing. Will they one day be? You never know.

I do know a couple of cyclists quite well, I coach their kids, so I do see it.

"how it is that it's pardonable when an athlete confesses to doping, in order to avoid suspension, but it's not when an athlete confesses to doping, AFTER he's been suspended?
After all; you say that doping is cheating and the consequences thereof are swift and harsh. So why the double standard????"

I don't care at what point an athlete confesses to doping. the fact remains they are a cheater and should be stripped of everything. Everything. All money made, all endorsements, everything, and they should be shunned, kicked out because they can never again be trusted. PERIOD.

When you watched Lance win, that was sure something, huh? You sure are standing up for him, is that because you know from personal experience why he did it? You seem to really condone his actions, and for a being a cyclist yourself, I can't help but wonder why. And why you're so heated about my opinion. After all, I haven't really insulted YOU. I'll wait too. lol

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#27 Apr 11, 2014
NoahRS wrote:
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You are providing the garden variety, politically correct, all encompasing, bullshit response.
When you can cite ONE family from whom you can substantiate Lance taking anything, then you can make factual and non-sentimental, woman scorned, statements like the above-stated line of crap you're attempting to feed me.

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#28 Apr 11, 2014
I rest my case.

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#29 Apr 11, 2014
"Now, you tell me, since you work with kids; should Lance lose everything? "

YES

"Every single penny?"

YES, and then some.

Are you, or any of the all go, no quit, Lance Armstrong's "executioners" ready to pony up the doe to provide for these 5 innocent victims?????? NO????

NO, we shouldn't have to take the slack for Lancie being a selfish prick.

Then shut the hell up!

NO, make me.

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