Despite damning USADA report on doping, Lance Armstrong has his backers on cycling tour

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This July 5, 2004 file photo shows U.S. Postal Service team leader and five-time Tour de France winner Lance Armstrong, third from right, framed by his teammates as the pack rides during the second stage of the 91st Tour de France cycling race between Charleroi and Namur, Belgium.

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Lance Armstrong, the Gerry Sandusky of racing. Busted, testified against, convicted, kicked out, and still in complete denial of his actions.

Despicable (though obviously not as much as Sandusky)...
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Americans like to cheat this is just the start watch out for the rest...

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I am so glad he has been stripped of his titles. I hope he has to repay all the winnings, with interest too. Additionally his "foundation" should be dismantled, as obvious it is nothing more than a scam, a farce, a hoax. Just like his life.
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red red red wrote:
Americans like to cheat this is just the start watch out for the rest...
Americans do like to cheat. They are sheeple that want to be part of the herd that cheats. They can rationalize it better if 'everyone else does it' or 'is doing it'.

What bothers me about all these cheating scandals is that it gives novices or true amateur athletes the impression you can only improve/succeed with drugs. It takes away many of the advances in training and nutrition. And over the last 10 years alone you have fat over weight people being coached/trained to lose weight using techniques once used exclusively in the world college and professional athletics.

I don't want these cheating scandals to disuade others from training,taking vitamins etc. You still can improve yourself without drug free methods. There is hope for those that don't cheat.
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correction; you can improve with drug free methods.
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red red red we both know how it is and I am now waiting on all the holier than thou I was clean after 2006 to be busted.

After this I cannot see them being allowed to lie like this and get away with it.
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I am so glad he has been stripped of his titles. I hope he has to repay all the winnings, with interest too. Additionally his "foundation" should be dismantled, as obvious it is nothing more than a scam, a farce, a hoax. Just like his life.
Good point , its the whole reason he did not go to arbitration and why he is continuing this ridiculous act. The money he has received through sponsorship and more importantly the money he has amassed through massive indemnity bonus schemes. His lawyers are trying to go down the non acknowledgement route of escaping his true costs. If he denies all the accusations and he is not found guilty in a court or anything purporting to be similar, gives him a possible get out of jail card.
I agree with you that he deserves to pay every cent back and any costs others have encountered which his actions have caused. The blind la supporters just do not see how far and how deep his crimes go. They will have you believe that it would've occurred with or without la. That his actions only made an even playing field for him to compete on.It is utter nonsense and should be dissmissed as such. I will not repeat it all the reasons why, here again. But that his actions only made an even playing field for him to compete on is utter nonsense and should be dismissed as such.
Reading through the decision yesterday and more so the supporting evidence, it became apparent to me that his actions were driven by greed. Not the more righteous desire to be better at his chosen sport. One can only hope that the cards continue to come falling down and that he is held accountable for his disgraceful actions.
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Guys you are not up to speed with events!

No titles are stripped as UCI have made no comment.

turtle I have told you this for a while but you still keep saying nonsense. USADA went over 8 years and cant, I told you and it will come true when UCI advice.

I told you it shall be 2 TDF only and anything in that 8 years but you still spout nonsense.

To Date no titles stripped and No Bronze lost as IOC said cannot strip after 8 years.

Why dont you post where the titles are stripped bearing in mind USADA cannot do this!

Have you any comments on the riders who testified in 2010 as doping but kept riding until now and picking up wages? How contrite are these guys or Hamilton ex wife as Levi notary and her partner is attorny to 2 other riders!

You have no idea and read the prosecution case without any understanding that its all old news from 2010.

if it was that good why did FDA drop it and USADA refuse to go into Judge Sparks Court to resolve the case.

There will be no new cases because it want wash in a Court of Law and you numptys bought into the hype without knowing what had gone on and is going on.

The hate you have for 1 man who done the same as everyone else id a festering issue you need to deal with it is frying your brains.
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GeeMan wrote:
Guys you are not up to speed with events!
No titles are stripped as UCI have made no comment.
turtle I have told you this for a while but you still keep saying nonsense. USADA went over 8 years and cant, I told you and it will come true when UCI advice.
I told you it shall be 2 TDF only and anything in that 8 years but you still spout nonsense.
To Date no titles stripped and No Bronze lost as IOC said cannot strip after 8 years.
Why dont you post where the titles are stripped bearing in mind USADA cannot do this!
Have you any comments on the riders who testified in 2010 as doping but kept riding until now and picking up wages? How contrite are these guys or Hamilton ex wife as Levi notary and her partner is attorny to 2 other riders!
You have no idea and read the prosecution case without any understanding that its all old news from 2010.
if it was that good why did FDA drop it and USADA refuse to go into Judge Sparks Court to resolve the case.
There will be no new cases because it want wash in a Court of Law and you numptys bought into the hype without knowing what had gone on and is going on.
The hate you have for 1 man who done the same as everyone else id a festering issue you need to deal with it is frying your brains.
please go back and read the post you are replying to. All of your post is about different issues and not relevant at all.
Its as if you are working full tilt sending out posts to forums all over, and getting confused with who, what and where you are replying to. This post is relevant to all the posts you have replied to me today that i have read so far. PLease read before you reply. It is comical that you ignore what is written and write what you like!
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GeeMan wrote:
Guys you are not up to speed with events!
No titles are stripped as UCI have made no comment.
turtle I have told you this for a while but you still keep saying nonsense. USADA went over 8 years and cant, I told you and it will come true when UCI advice.
I told you it shall be 2 TDF only and anything in that 8 years but you still spout nonsense.
To Date no titles stripped and No Bronze lost as IOC said cannot strip after 8 years.
Why dont you post where the titles are stripped bearing in mind USADA cannot do this!
Have you any comments on the riders who testified in 2010 as doping but kept riding until now and picking up wages? How contrite are these guys or Hamilton ex wife as Levi notary and her partner is attorny to 2 other riders!
You have no idea and read the prosecution case without any understanding that its all old news from 2010.
if it was that good why did FDA drop it and USADA refuse to go into Judge Sparks Court to resolve the case.
There will be no new cases because it want wash in a Court of Law and you numptys bought into the hype without knowing what had gone on and is going on.
The hate you have for 1 man who done the same as everyone else id a festering issue you need to deal with it is frying your brains.
ps geeman , please refrain from immature name calling. You are showing your mental age again. Calling someone a numpty will not make your point relevant.
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GeeMan wrote:
Guys you are not up to speed with events!
No titles are stripped as UCI have made no comment.
turtle I have told you this for a while but you still keep saying nonsense. USADA went over 8 years and cant, I told you and it will come true when UCI advice.
I told you it shall be 2 TDF only and anything in that 8 years but you still spout nonsense.
To Date no titles stripped and No Bronze lost as IOC said cannot strip after 8 years.
Why dont you post where the titles are stripped bearing in mind USADA cannot do this!
Have you any comments on the riders who testified in 2010 as doping but kept riding until now and picking up wages? How contrite are these guys or Hamilton ex wife as Levi notary and her partner is attorny to 2 other riders!
You have no idea and read the prosecution case without any understanding that its all old news from 2010.
if it was that good why did FDA drop it and USADA refuse to go into Judge Sparks Court to resolve the case.
There will be no new cases because it want wash in a Court of Law and you numptys bought into the hype without knowing what had gone on and is going on.
The hate you have for 1 man who done the same as everyone else id a festering issue you need to deal with it is frying your brains.

what nonsense "why did FDA drop it and USADA refuse to go into Judge Sparks Court to resolve the case." because there remit takes them to arbitration not sam sparks court .
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turtle you take no time or effort to THINK about your ramblings.

USADA stated at beginning it was on UCI rules then didn't do that then said all WADC rules no constitutional rights as US Law not applicable THEN put in their File that +8 years was based on US Law which is not applicable!

How dud US Law not all of a sudden appear?

Also Judge Sparks offered to hold the HEARING in his court in a controlled and impartial way even to both sides to prevent lies from both and stop Tygart picking the Panel Members himself.

Get your facts correct turtle but that's not you is it.
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How dare you say Americans like to cheat.....generalizing all Americans...you should be ashamed it's like saying all French are stupid....
Americans do like to cheat. They are sheeple that want to be part of the herd that cheats. They can rationalize it better if 'everyone else does it' or 'is doing it'.
What bothers me about all these cheating scandals is that it gives novices or true amateur athletes the impression you can only improve/succeed with drugs. It takes away many of the advances in training and nutrition. And over the last 10 years alone you have fat over weight people being coached/trained to lose weight using techniques once used exclusively in the world college and professional athletics.
I don't want these cheating scandals to disuade others from training,taking vitamins etc. You still can improve yourself without drug free methods. There is hope for those that don't cheat.
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american a noble and honourable message and I agree with it 100%.

Doping unfortunately is like prostitution; it has existed forever and is unlikely to disappear.

It MAY be that we need to see it in a different light than we do just now and to copy what someone else said which makes sense to me anyway is a 2 tier system.

1 For Clean athletes.

2 One for those who want to dope and openly use it.

There were 4 positive tests at the 2012 Olympics and the DR in charge of doping said we are years behind the doping strategists just now.

The massive advancements in technology and Biological Mathematics is making the whole situation of doping in sport unmanageable but bringing new medicines to the table quicker for society.

I say we do the 2 tier and see how it goes.

Letís also see how the morality of society and business is challenged and which of these 2 tiers gets the most attention!

How many on here would NOT watch the dopers in favour of non dopers?
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me for one
doping is not like prostitution geeie, where do you come up with this stuff!!
It is a shame about the olympics i agree, but the whole value and ethos of the games is not compatible with what you're suggesting.
before you quote the , they used to dope back when the games were started just think a little about the times conventions , attitudes and understanding of what would be cheating and what would not.What life was like and where and what standing the events had.
i am sure i do not have to explain that concept for you to grasp and understand.
The marathon comes from a run from a battle between atheans and persians were the atheans were massively outnumbered, held their own and drove back the persians, then ran 27 miles back to their city to defend from the persians sailing around the coast.
We do not fight armed combat to the death in our sports and games nowadays! our basic preumptions of life is very different
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turtle I agree with everything you say apart from missing the similarity with prostitution, its an age old thing.

Whenever there is a chance to make money someone will cheat in sport, business and life.

Its a vicious circle that wont change.

The film the invention of lying is a good social commentary to substantiate that.

I can however respect that is what you see and feel on the matter.
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GeeMan wrote:
Guys you are not up to speed with events!
No titles are stripped as UCI have made no comment.
turtle I have told you this for a while but you still keep saying nonsense. USADA went over 8 years and cant, I told you and it will come true when UCI advice.
I told you it shall be 2 TDF only and anything in that 8 years but you still spout nonsense.
To Date no titles stripped and No Bronze lost as IOC said cannot strip after 8 years.
Why dont you post where the titles are stripped bearing in mind USADA cannot do this!
Have you any comments on the riders who testified in 2010 as doping but kept riding until now and picking up wages? How contrite are these guys or Hamilton ex wife as Levi notary and her partner is attorny to 2 other riders!
You have no idea and read the prosecution case without any understanding that its all old news from 2010.
if it was that good why did FDA drop it and USADA refuse to go into Judge Sparks Court to resolve the case.
There will be no new cases because it want wash in a Court of Law and you numptys bought into the hype without knowing what had gone on and is going on.
The hate you have for 1 man who done the same as everyone else id a festering issue you need to deal with it is frying your brains.
You're an idiot. EVERYONE ON HIS TEAM testified against him...signed affadavits. He's busted...it's over. He's guilty.

And yes, his bogus Tour de France titles have been stripped. More denial on your part.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/more-sport/...

Everyone knows, now. No more denial. His fake "hero" status has been revoked.

You can stop, now.
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correction; you can improve with drug free methods.
Before you go taking shots at Americans cheating you my want to take a look at all the Euro's sticking needles !
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harvey what an introduction!
If you take some time to read my comments on here since DAY 1 you will see I have stated he doped and everyone else doped as well and I for 1 was not surprised when the revelations came out.

Euro cycling has had a clear understanding what went on and has gone on for over a century with doping.

You obviously donít know that UCI are the Management Organisation Responsible for Results Management with the titles being discussed for TDF in France, IOC for the Bronze medal they have said is highly unlikely he wonít lose and the other results are basically Euro based so back to UCI.

If you are unable to comprehend he did the same as everyone was doing before him and after him you need to take time and research it.

Mini transfusions have been going on in TDF since 1949 and in sport in general with a slight dip through the 60's when synthetic drugs started to take hold but as compulsory test were introduced transfusions came back.

In 1930 TDF announced that riders had to provide their own drugs as they would no longer do it.

Read up about 2005 when WADA presented 4 positive tests for LA and it was overturned by UCI.

The titles change if applicable has been confirmed by TDF as awaiting UCI advice.

Go figure that one out and take more time to familiarise yourself with Devil you see and realise he did not invent it and Greg Lemond likely took EPO in 89 or do Iron Injections really take you from the back of the Peloton to TDF winner and WR TT speed?

Take the glasses off and see what we do which is doping was a 100% part of cycling and he was just the same as the rest and all the other heroes on cycling YUP doped as well.

Try and not believe everything you read.
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GeeMan wrote:
harvey what an introduction!
If you take some time to read my comments on here since DAY 1 you will see I have stated he doped and everyone else doped as well and I for 1 was not surprised when the revelations came out.
Euro cycling has had a clear understanding what went on and has gone on for over a century with doping.
You obviously donít know that UCI are the Management Organisation Responsible for Results Management with the titles being discussed for TDF in France, IOC for the Bronze medal they have said is highly unlikely he wonít lose and the other results are basically Euro based so back to UCI.
If you are unable to comprehend he did the same as everyone was doing before him and after him you need to take time and research it.
Mini transfusions have been going on in TDF since 1949 and in sport in general with a slight dip through the 60's when synthetic drugs started to take hold but as compulsory test were introduced transfusions came back.
In 1930 TDF announced that riders had to provide their own drugs as they would no longer do it.
Read up about 2005 when WADA presented 4 positive tests for LA and it was overturned by UCI.
The titles change if applicable has been confirmed by TDF as awaiting UCI advice.
Go figure that one out and take more time to familiarise yourself with Devil you see and realise he did not invent it and Greg Lemond likely took EPO in 89 or do Iron Injections really take you from the back of the Peloton to TDF winner and WR TT speed?
Take the glasses off and see what we do which is doping was a 100% part of cycling and he was just the same as the rest and all the other heroes on cycling YUP doped as well.
Try and not believe everything you read.
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I understand that your idiotic arguments boil down to this: "Everyone ELSE did it, so it's OK that Lance did."

And that's crap.

Savagely punishing Lance is the first step to cleaning up the sport of cycling. That's what the point of this is. And all your silly factoids do is help you evade that ultimate necessity and that final goal.

Read up on THAT, doper douchebag.

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