Vinokourov to fight blood doping charge

Vinokourov to fight blood doping charge

There are 78 comments on the Los Angeles Times story from Jul 28, 2007, titled Vinokourov to fight blood doping charge. In it, Los Angeles Times reports that:

“We encourage everyone to keep an open mind about the test results and not to assume that the LNDD has done everything correctly or has achieved accurate results.”

Kazakh cyclist Alexandre Vinokourov said Saturday he will fight the accusation that he took an illicit blood transfusion during this year's Tour de France - a charge that led to his expulsion from the race, in which he was the early favorite.

Vinokourov, 33, said he has hired Maurice Suh and Howard Jacobs, the Los Angeles attorneys who are representing 2006 Tour champion Floyd Landis in his challenge to a doping charge, to defend him.

Vinokourov denied the charge. 'I have always raced clean,' he said in a written statement released by Suh's law firm, Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher. 'Given all the attention paid to doping offenses,' he said, 'you would have to be crazy to do what I have been accused of, and I am not crazy.' Read more

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“Carpe Diem”

Since: Mar 07

Bristol UK

#61 Aug 9, 2007
My Opinion_El Paso_TX wrote:
Almost forgot!
As for anyone making this an Americans vs the French, Raymond owns that title as he continuelly made that statement more than anyone else at the time.
When I began providing him with history trivia, only than did he begin backing off from that pedestal. He also found himself pinned in a corner by many others here as well.
Overall Chris, you were more geniune and honest than Will and Raymond.
Cheers
Aahhh, that is so nice, have a fine day MOEP. I will be cutting down a tree in the garden, this makes a little distraction and rest!
Rubber side down

Saint Louis, MO

#62 Aug 9, 2007
You missed my point.... when we hear or see a situation, we often jump to conclusions (ie. the black man is stealing the white man's money) when we don't have all the facts. When you look at the current cycling scene, you could assume that the cyclists are all dopers and that the good guys are catching them.

I am not sure that the good guys are wearing white lab coats.

Cheers and don't let the tree hit the house

And no, I don't think you are a racist
Athos wrote:
<quoted text>It would NOT happen as I am not a racist,(am I black, white, yellow, brown and does it matter?)Please refrain from bringing race and colour into this discussion
Of course TdF, ASO, UCI, LNDD, l'Equipe have their problems, as do all sporting bodies, we should be trying to help rather that run them down all of the time.
It has been said by wiser men than me that "once you start losing your temper and calling people names, you have lost the argument (discussion)" Please refrain from name calling. Yes I know, I have at times done the same, most often when provoked (as you are trying to do) For that I have apologised (except to Jon) Believe me Will, Raymond, myself are no more 'idiots' than any others passing time and 'friendly' banter on this blog.
I do not agree with a lot of writers here, BUT I do respect their opinion, if it is not a personal attack. Please try your hardest to respect other writers opinion, even though it does not agree with yours. You never know, you may even convince me!(But not with abuse)
Now back to the lawn laying, and 'GREEN SIDE UPÂ’ That is a joke, not abuse, get it? Grass side = green side up........ Oh never mind
Good morning from sunny Yatton

“Carpe Diem”

Since: Mar 07

Bristol UK

#63 Aug 9, 2007
Rubber side down wrote:
You missed my point.... when we hear or see a situation, we often jump to conclusions (ie. the black man is stealing the white man's money) when we don't have all the facts. When you look at the current cycling scene, you could assume that the cyclists are all dopers and that the good guys are catching them.
I am not sure that the good guys are wearing white lab coats.
Cheers and don't let the tree hit the house
And no, I don't think you are a racist
<quoted text>
Ah yes RSU but I am one of the good guys!! You are right no one should assume anything without thinking first.
The tree is down but it hit the lawn! Can you re-lay it for me please? GREEN SIDE UP!(I must stop this!)
The bread is ready to take out now and so the first hot crust is MINE! It has been a busy day. Tree chopping, bread making, editing photos for the next competition (Sat) I think it is off to the pub tonight.
Backs to black, why are there no black riders (Afro, Afro Caribbean) in the TDF?
Rubber side down

Saint Louis, MO

#64 Aug 9, 2007
Good question.... I rode with a black pro 1 cyclist from Barbados in the park the other morning and there are a number of good, black riders in St Louis, but i haven't see any on the top pro teams in the Grand Tours.

Major Taylor was a tremendous black cyclist in the late 1890's/early 1900's. Maybe there are not enough bikes for black children or they don't have the heroes to aspire to, like they do in basketball and football.

Try http://www.majortaylorassociation.org/news/LA...
Athos wrote:
<quoted text>Ah yes RSU but I am one of the good guys!! You are right no one should assume anything without thinking first.
The tree is down but it hit the lawn! Can you re-lay it for me please? GREEN SIDE UP!(I must stop this!)
The bread is ready to take out now and so the first hot crust is MINE! It has been a busy day. Tree chopping, bread making, editing photos for the next competition (Sat) I think it is off to the pub tonight.
Backs to black, why are there no black riders (Afro, Afro Caribbean) in the TDF?
Gus

Vancouver, Canada

#65 Aug 9, 2007
Rubber side down wrote:
Good question.... I rode with a black pro 1 cyclist from Barbados in the park the other morning and there are a number of good, black riders in St Louis, but i haven't see any on the top pro teams in the Grand Tours.
Major Taylor was a tremendous black cyclist in the late 1890's/early 1900's. Maybe there are not enough bikes for black children or they don't have the heroes to aspire to, like they do in basketball and football.
Try http://www.majortaylorassociation.org/news/LA...
<quoted text>
...Nelson Vails was a black pro Track rider once based in Huntington Beach CA area.Had a house at Seal beach.This was back in the 80's.He started off as bike messenger in NYC and I believe rode in the World's in London England.Some of you may remember him,the Big Black Dude with Dreadlocks,which he cut off later.I spent the day with his then wife at the Olympic Road race down in Mission Viejo in LA in the 80'sHe had a Big mouth and was extremely funny.He once tried out for an audition for a Movie and believe it or not got Stage Fright and Blew it.Last I heard he split with his wife and re married some Blonde Chick,life goes on...cheers!
Gus

Vancouver, Canada

#66 Aug 9, 2007
...I also rode with a bunch of Black Dudes in Solvang CA,good riders.

“Carpe Diem”

Since: Mar 07

Bristol UK

#67 Aug 9, 2007
Rubber side down wrote:
Good question.... I rode with a black pro 1 cyclist from Barbados in the park the other morning and there are a number of good, black riders in St Louis, but i haven't see any on the top pro teams in the Grand Tours.
Major Taylor was a tremendous black cyclist in the late 1890's/early 1900's. Maybe there are not enough bikes for black children or they don't have the heroes to aspire to, like they do in basketball and football.
Try http://www.majortaylorassociation.org/news/LA...
<quoted text>
Yeah, Major Taylor, he had a handlebar stem named after him

“Carpe Diem”

Since: Mar 07

Bristol UK

#68 Aug 9, 2007
Gus wrote:
<quoted text>
...Nelson Vails was a black pro Track rider once based in Huntington Beach CA area.Had a house at Seal beach.This was back in the 80's.He started off as bike messenger in NYC and I believe rode in the World's in London England.Some of you may remember him,the Big Black Dude with Dreadlocks,which he cut off later.I spent the day with his then wife at the Olympic Road race down in Mission Viejo in LA in the 80'sHe had a Big mouth and was extremely funny.He once tried out for an audition for a Movie and believe it or not got Stage Fright and Blew it.Last I heard he split with his wife and re married some Blonde Chick,life goes on...cheers!
Good site thanks buddy

“I Love Life, People & Animals”

Since: Feb 07

El Paso, Texas

#69 Aug 9, 2007
Athos wrote:
<quoted text>Backs to black, why are there no black riders (Afro, Afro Caribbean) in the TDF?
Google "Major Taylor" guys. He was an African-American rider who raced all over the world.

Cheers

“I Love Life, People & Animals”

Since: Feb 07

El Paso, Texas

#70 Aug 9, 2007
Woops, I saw after my above post that RBS already mentioned Major Taylor.

Cheers
Pieter Claassen

South Africa

#71 Aug 10, 2007
Rubber side down wrote:
Good question.... Maybe there are not enough bikes for black children
Please check www.qhubeka.com .

Cheers

Pieter
Rubber side down

Saint Louis, MO

#72 Aug 10, 2007
Thanks for the website....
Pieter Claassen wrote:
<quoted text>
Please check www.qhubeka.com .
Cheers
Pieter

“I Love Life, People & Animals”

Since: Feb 07

El Paso, Texas

#73 Aug 11, 2007
Sounds like a great adventures awaits him on his trip around the world.

Cheers All

“crystelZENmud”

Since: Jan 07

Reality City

#74 Aug 13, 2007
Chrith you're thuch a thithy...

(my apologies TO/for lispers)

I do remember, my son, those who claimed "Floyd, if he 'gets OFF', will (verb: cuz Chris is back!) get off on a 'technicality'"

And loath were we to remind those of you (ewe?) that the entire CODE, the entire Rulebook, is based on TECHNICALITIES that, if they are not followed 100%(or with legally-accepted exceptions as we've badgered on for hours), result in NO LEGAL TEST...

So with that reminder, you're right: If the test don't fit, you must ACQUIT...

ZENback
Athos wrote:
<quoted text>If you don't agree thith THAT lab one day, you will be screaming FOUL again I guess

“crystelZENmud”

Since: Jan 07

Reality City

#75 Aug 13, 2007
At least wILLnutz gave us threads that we were SO UPSET about, that we (the non-wILLish side) bent over books and docs and websites in an all-over successful quest to slay his dragons/reasoning/biases...

I note after days of HAPPY WEEKEND frolics at the Fete de Geneve, that the post-count has risen exponentially, mostly due to fellow Rationalists having to address the Pathos of Athos...

Don't have much time for that, so I'll be very selective on my replies this next ten days...

ZENfilterz
Athos wrote:
<quoted text>OK If you want to. BUT everyone on this blog is biased one way or another, that is why we are here.
You all managed to get rid of Will, a pity that
Todd

United States

#77 Aug 14, 2007
My Opinion_El Paso_TX wrote:
Almost forgot!
As for anyone making this an Americans vs the French, Raymond owns that title as he continuelly made that statement more than anyone else at the time.
When I began providing him with history trivia, only than did he begin backing off from that pedestal. He also found himself pinned in a corner by many others here as well.
Overall Chris, you were more geniune and honest than Will and Raymond.
Cheers
MOEP,

You missed the main point. You and everyone else except will treated everyone on these threads with respect, even when you disagreed. Good job.
Bikeguy

Las Vegas, NV

#78 Jul 15, 2011
Gus wrote:
...I also rode with a bunch of Black Dudes in Solvang CA,good riders.
the last I heard of nelson Vails is he washed up living in vegas
with no job, renting a cheap room... sad really
Mikee

Manchester, UK

#79 Jul 20, 2011
Google map China to Taiwan. step 47 or 48, i believe that performance enhancing supplements should be legal for this as i certainly aint going to try this clean..

If Vino is proven guilty then he is a fool and phychological testing should be applied to the Tour also as these days you have got to be bonkers to take anything.. such a high profile element of cycling now that be clean and come last rather than risk anything....

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