Lance Armstrong refiles USADA suit; team members decline arbitration, receive lifetime bans

Full story: The Washington Post

Lance Armstrong filed a revised lawsuit against the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency before the close of business Tuesday, once again asking a federal judge in Austin to stop the agency from stripping his seven Tour de France titles and banning him from sport for life if he fails to agree by Saturday to submit to arbitration over alleged doping violations.

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Is this a democracy or are we reverting to the premise that every citizen is guilty until proven innocent. The USADA is setting a precedent with Lance. If this is true, any one of us could be in this position and be stripped of our dignity and self respect--our reputations sullied in the press--and folks what about this man's innocent children in all this hype.
In one of the articles the picture used was his tour de france win with his children with him on the podium, with an article implying that he not only is a cheater, but he is flaunting it in front of his children. No, no, no. Lance is an intelligent, successful athlete and businessman and the most important fact is he is a cancer survivor. Would he put his precious, hard won fight in jeopardy by putting illegal substances in his body.
Nice ~ but I think you are living in "la-la land"
I wish I could remain as not jaded as you ( I loved Lance too- still do in one way ) but just like the female Chinese swimmer ( love the Olympics too) they are both positively great athletes but being great was not enough.... win at all costs...... Yes... The children are always casualties ...and, both positively ( pardon the pun) dopers/ cheaters. Wish I was wrong: honest.
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biggest cheat in the history of cycling - a disgrace..hope he falls hard
Where's the proof?
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The USADA has it. George Hincapie has it. Christian Vande Velde has it. Levi Leipheimer has it. Just to name a few.
The same guys who got immunity for their testimonies.
How did Lance pass all the drug test he has taken?

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The fact that this "organization" has chose to strip Lance Armstrong of those titles is a disgrace. The man has legitimately pointed to hundreds of tests before and after races where he has teated negative. Complete and utter disgrace and neglect for common sense here.
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The USADA has no, repeat, NO empirical data indicating that Lance Armstrong "doped". The only evidence they have is innuendo which is questionable at best. Meanwhile, Lance has passed every test given to him. So, the USADA needs to put up the physical evidence proving his guilt, or crawl back under the rock from whence they came. Leave the man alone and let him enjoy his retirement. The USADA is just full of b.s.
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From the Washington Post article:

Anyone who thinks an athlete has a fair shot in front of CAS should review the Alberto Contador case. Contador was found to have a minuscule, insignificant amount of clenbuterol in his urine during the 2010 Tour de France. After hearing 4,000 pages of testimony and debate, CAS acknowledged that the substance was too small to have been performance-enhancing and that its ingestion was almost certainly unintentional.

Therefore he was guilty. He received a two-year ban.

CAS’s rationale?“There is no reason to exonerate the athlete so the ban is two years,” one member of the panel said.

Would you want to go before that court?

The decision was so appalling that even the Tour runner-up Andy Schleck of Luxembourg couldn’t swallow it and refused to accept the title of winner.“There is no reason to be happy now,” Schleck said.“First of all, I felt bad for Alberto. I always believed in his innocence. I battled with Contador in that race and I lost.”
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Andy Schleck had as good a reason to denounce Cantador as anyone, after Cantador pedaled away from him after Andy's chain derailed on a mountain slope they both were battling on to defeat each other.

Yet, Schleck supported Cantador.

Truly, doping agencies are finding such miniscule levels of chemicals in blood samples, the agencies must consider & understand how such small amounts of chemistries can be in the bodies, completely by accident.

The nearly complete inability of the U.S. gov't & legal system to control drugs in society in general, is certainly causing these legalized witch hunts against athlete's, whose punishments are severe compared to their perceived crimes, than drug kingpins receive for their millions of pounds of drug trafficing.
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Excerpt from Tracee Hamilton:

Armstrong never failed a drug test. He was tested in competition, out of competition. He was tested at the Olympics, at the Tour de France, at dozens if not hundreds of other events. And he never failed a test. We know this because if he had, Travis T. Tygart, the head of USADA, would have personally delivered the results to every home in America, like a grim little Santa Claus.

Instead, Tygart gathered a group of people who swear they saw Armstrong doping. There has been no trial, no due process, but in the minds of many, that testimony outweighs the results of hundreds of drug tests.

People lie. Blood and urine usually don’t.
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The USADA has no, repeat, NO empirical data indicating that Lance Armstrong "doped". The only evidence they have is innuendo which is questionable at best. Meanwhile, Lance has passed every test given to him. So, the USADA needs to put up the physical evidence proving his guilt, or crawl back under the rock from whence they came. Leave the man alone and let him enjoy his retirement. The USADA is just full of b.s.
They might not have a positive test but they would've had sworn testimony under oath by the time all the hearings,appeals and lawsuits were done and I think this was what Lance was trying to avoid.

I do think the USADA has no business stripping him of European titles. If they want to ban or punish him fine but how the heck does this agency strip titles from another country.
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please please please, stop quoting the lie of over 500 tests!! he was tested at best only 225 times!!+ just to give you an insight to how far testing is behind doping, here is a cautionary tale:-
Former East German Swimming Coaches Admit to Two Decades of Doping
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"The stunning domination of international swimming by East German women for nearly two decades was built upon an organized system of anabolic-steroid use, a group of 20 former East German coaches confirmed [on Dec. 2, 1991].
Their admission... is the latest evidence -- and some of the most convincing -- that senior sports administrators of the now-dissolved Communist state made performance-enhancing drugs a critical part of the training programs for the country's elite athletes...
[T]hese latest admissions confirmed for years what rival coaches and athletes had always suspected, even though no East German swimmer was ever caught or penalized for drug use. The International Olympic Committee and other major international sports federations do not punish athletes retroactively without an admission by the athlete. As a result the athletes involved are in no danger of losing their medals or records."
Michael Janofsky "Coaches Concede That Steroids Fueled East Germany's Success in Swimming," New York Times, Dec. 3, 1991

Yes this is 20 years old but by all accounts from experts in the field of doping, nothing has changed
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turtle the point being made is good however cycling was and i believe still is arife with PED's.

There is no way you could ride amongst so many ELITE cyclist who were taking them and remain in/around the peleton it is simple logic.

My point is not did he or didnt he take PED's but seeking the truth to move on and for a sensational result to make someone a name.

In addition to the point being made above people also need to take a look into the cyclist physiology and see where there are difference in ability to turn over oxygen and resist latic acid build up and effects.
Armstrong returned not only a different athlete in physical appearance but his physiology also changed due to his treatment for cancer. Add to that someone who was riding for titles as well as to celebrate his life which he statistically should not have won but he did.

Every great cyclist has a definitive difference between them and the rest physically as well as mentally, the same for any great athlete.
He retired and came back taking 3rd on the TDF at his age was phenomenal but I am sure he will be accused of cheating at that also.

Some of you will have read on other posts about the fall out effect of what happens to the Titles and the answer is it goes to confirmed cheats and if you exclude them you have to remove quite a few to find a non convicted PED user, 2005 TDF would go to 8th place Cadel Evans and who knows if he cheated or not.

The problem for me is its a witch hunt no matter if he took PED's or not based on what we know. USADA cannot strip his titles as they are awarded in france and only UCI can do that, they cannot take away his Bronze medal only IOC can do that and they certainly cannot award a lifetime ban and the maximum is 2 years.

If LA decided to ride/run in the next Olympic he could as its after 2 years and the IOC already ordered the UK Olympic Board to reinstate a sprinter they gave a lifetime ban to.

Its just as much a problem seeing the LA haters being so vindictive against 1 man and defending others with the same crime as those who will say he never cheated. The simple FACTS here are he rode, he won, he was tested he passed, he was accused of cheating and not one official Sports Agency went after him whilst he was riding. Its been far too long to do this and anyone who thinks the timing is normal really isnt living on the same planet as me. Look at the witnesses and their timeline on riding, retiring, personal issues in their life and how its turning out for them and how they are seeking eek a living.

Its not about IF he cheated its a Witch Hunt for all the wrong reasons and I cannot see how anyone can seriously look at what is going on and say differently.

PED use in Sport is rife but the Agencies who are trying and failing to find it and stop it are completely out of control also. They even want to control their DR's comments during their employment and apply an 8 years statute of limitations on that control on them.

LA will come out of this looking better than ever and go into Politics and we shall be saying in 20 years what a great President he was. Thats the American way is it not?
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Armstrong returned not only a different athlete in physical appearance but his physiology also changed due to his treatment for cancer. Add to that someone who was riding for titles as well as to celebrate his life which he statistically should not have won but he did.
Every great cyclist has a definitive difference between them and the rest physically as well as mentally, the same for any great athlete.
He retired and came back taking 3rd on the TDF at his age was phenomenal but I am sure he will be accused of cheating at that also.
Some of you will have read on other posts about the fall out effect of what happens to the Titles and the answer is it goes to confirmed cheats and if you exclude them you have to remove quite a few to find a non convicted PED user, 2005 TDF would go to 8th place Cadel Evans and who knows if he cheated or not.
The problem for me is its a witch hunt no matter if he took PED's or not based on what we know. USADA cannot strip his titles as they are awarded in france and only UCI can do that, they cannot take away his Bronze medal only IOC can do that and they certainly cannot award a lifetime ban and the maximum is 2 years.
If LA decided to ride/run in the next Olympic he could as its after 2 years and the IOC already ordered the UK Olympic Board to reinstate a sprinter they gave a lifetime ban to.
Its just as much a problem seeing the LA haters being so vindictive against 1 man and defending others with the same crime as those who will say he never cheated. The simple FACTS here are he rode, he won, he was tested he passed, he was accused of cheating and not one official Sports Agency went after him whilst he was riding. Its been far too long to do this and anyone who thinks the timing is normal really isnt living on the same planet as me. Look at the witnesses and their timeline on riding, retiring, personal issues in their life and how its turning out for them and how they are seeking eek a living.
Its not about IF he cheated its a Witch Hunt for all the wrong reasons and I cannot see how anyone can seriously look at what is going on and say differently.
PED use in Sport is rife but the Agencies who are trying and failing to find it and stop it are completely out of control also. They even want to control their DR's comments during their employment and apply an 8 years statute of limitations on that control on them.
LA will come out of this looking better than ever and go into Politics and we shall be saying in 20 years what a great President he was. Thats the American way is it not?
WOW u STAR of the UNIVERSE, your insight and knowledge is beyond that of all your peers ! i would have to say that you are definitely in the category of genius. Your name, Geeie will become a household name in the decades and even centuries to come. Spoken about in the company of your Einstein's, Newton's, Darwin's, Leibniz's and hawkin's with the true awe and respect you so sincerely deserve.
Comments like "PED use in Sport is rife but the Agencies who are trying and failing to find it and stop it are completely out of control also" will become known to all mankind for the true insight and revelation you so obviously deserve. I only worry that like many geniuses of the past, you will never be truly understood and revered during your own life span!
"LA will come out of this looking better than ever and go into Politics and we shall be saying in 20 years what a great President he was" Will become one of the new worlds motto's and held up as a true light/beacon from the darkness of the early 2000's.
How truly naive we all were until we were honoured with the guile, intellect and foresight of the modern day intellectual colossus Geeie !!
Your ability to see into the future goes against all scientific knowledge and many many years of recorded data. It truly is as if you have come back from the future ! to impart knowledge which will save humankind as we know it.
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WOW u STAR of the UNIVERSE, your insight and knowledge is beyond that of all your peers ! i would have to say that you are definitely in the category of genius. Your name, Geeie will become a household name in the decades and even centuries to come. Spoken about in the company of your Einstein's, Newton's, Darwin's, Leibniz's and hawkin's with the true awe and respect you so sincerely deserve.
Comments like "PED use in Sport is rife but the Agencies who are trying and failing to find it and stop it are completely out of control also" will become known to all mankind for the true insight and revelation you so obviously deserve. I only worry that like many geniuses of the past, you will never be truly understood and revered during your own life span!
"LA will come out of this looking better than ever and go into Politics and we shall be saying in 20 years what a great President he was" Will become one of the new worlds motto's and held up as a true light/beacon from the darkness of the early 2000's.
How truly naive we all were until we were honoured with the guile, intellect and foresight of the modern day intellectual colossus Geeie !!
Your ability to see into the future goes against all scientific knowledge and many many years of recorded data. It truly is as if you have come back from the future ! to impart knowledge which will save humankind as we know it.

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WOW u STAR of the UNIVERSE, your insight and knowledge is beyond that of all your peers ! i would have to say that you are definitely in the category of genius. Your name, Geeie will become a household name in the decades and even centuries to come. Spoken about in the company of your Einstein's, Newton's, Darwin's, Leibniz's and hawkin's with the true awe and respect you so sincerely deserve.
Comments like "PED use in Sport is rife but the Agencies who are trying and failing to find it and stop it are completely out of control also" will become known to all mankind for the true insight and revelation you so obviously deserve. I only worry that like many geniuses of the past, you will never be truly understood and revered during your own life span!
"LA will come out of this looking better than ever and go into Politics and we shall be saying in 20 years what a great President he was" Will become one of the new worlds motto's and held up as a true light/beacon from the darkness of the early 2000's.
How truly naive we all were until we were honoured with the guile, intellect and foresight of the modern day intellectual colossus Geeie !!
Your ability to see into the future goes against all scientific knowledge and many many years of recorded data. It truly is as if you have come back from the future ! to impart knowledge which will save humankind as we know it.
"I only worry that like many geniuses of the past, you will never be truly understood and revered during your own life span!"

T, maybe if we are all lucky, it will take as long as it took the RCC to acknowledge Galileo's theory of heliocentrism (350 years after he died).

"the modern day intellectual colossus Geeie !!"

I think he subscribes to the idea that there are only two kinds of people in the world; Scottish and those who wish they were. Shall we refer to that as the theory of Geeiecentrism?
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@turtle To quote Psalm 145 in my honour is wonderful.

I wake up every day thank God for what I have been given. I look up to the heavens and say "Dad I thank you".

I recommend you read the whole book which I believe is now a best seller.
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@CD dont fret as one day you may even be honoured to meet a Scotsman, not me however. You will see why we are reveered all over the world and why the WHOLE of USA love Scotland and basically want to come here and enjoy our culture and friendly nature.

Yes we may at times have been seen to repeatedly punch terrorists in the face whilst they are on fire after trying to bomb our Airports, but that is just another way of showing how passionate and proactive we are.

We are after all unique in many ways apart from being the only country the Roman Empire could not conqour and basically had to build a wall to stop us taking all their stuff!

You can now come out of that closet you live in a declare your own desires to visit Scotland.
We are Smiles Better.

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@CD dont fret as one day you may even be honoured to meet a Scotsman, not me however. You will see why we are reveered all over the world and why the WHOLE of USA love Scotland and basically want to come here and enjoy our culture and friendly nature.
Yes we may at times have been seen to repeatedly punch terrorists in the face whilst they are on fire after trying to bomb our Airports, but that is just another way of showing how passionate and proactive we are.
We are after all unique in many ways apart from being the only country the Roman Empire could not conqour and basically had to build a wall to stop us taking all their stuff!
You can now come out of that closet you live in a declare your own desires to visit Scotland.
We are Smiles Better.
Geenie, are you trying to make up for some other "short" coming of yours with this post? It reeks of desperation and mythical sense of superiority that exists only in your mind.

Oh yes; I suppose you can be proud that Scotland was never conquered by the Roman Empire. OTOH, Scotland was invaded by England, where the United States was not.

Don't you just love history?
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@CD dont fret as one day you may even be honoured to meet a Scotsman, not me however. You will see why we are reveered all over the world and why the WHOLE of USA love Scotland and basically want to come here and enjoy our culture and friendly nature.
Yes we may at times have been seen to repeatedly punch terrorists in the face whilst they are on fire after trying to bomb our Airports, but that is just another way of showing how passionate and proactive we are.
We are after all unique in many ways apart from being the only country the Roman Empire could not conqour and basically had to build a wall to stop us taking all their stuff!
You can now come out of that closet you live in a declare your own desires to visit Scotland.
We are Smiles Better.
Aaighh (sorry i just had to spit in the gutter) we all know that geography is not a scots best ken!
But to forget about only half the globe, demonstrates we are talking to a scot with a ken of major proportions.
Having had the displeasure and misfortune to spend some of my few years on this world in the glen of hate, i find your talk of smiles, friendly nature and (i don't know whether to laugh or cry here) culture ! a little confusing,
Just like the fabulous, friendly, and fun loving scottish football fan's who are similar to one set of fans beneath the wall known as scum.
All the f words from the above sentence should be removed to leave us with the true breadth of a scotts contribution and understanding of supporting sport. Also take away the l in the sentence to leave you with a scotts festering general disposition and appearance.
The true story of greyfriars bobby is an illuminating tale revealing the scott for the cheat and liar he truly is.
Here is a link so non scots can familiarise themselves with the tale of what was once scotlands biggest tourist attraction! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greyfriars_Bobby only in scotland could such a tale have occurred. As there is no where on this planet where lying, cheating, drinking, abusing lives can be lived. Hope that you find all is accurate in my tale geeie,
below is the address for the scottish nations national monument, all go a google and look at the mighty building the scotts built to demonstrate their great clans like the egyptians built for their pharaohs
The National Monument, on Calton Hill, Edinburgh, never have a seen a better national statement of intent in a nation's monuments
6879267573_897d58eae9_z.jp
or just google pic it

ok, sorry geeie. Just could not resist.
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@CD dont fret as one day you may even be honoured to meet a Scotsman, not me however. You will see why we are reveered all over the world and why the WHOLE of USA love Scotland and basically want to come here and enjoy our culture and friendly nature.
Yes we may at times have been seen to repeatedly punch terrorists in the face whilst they are on fire after trying to bomb our Airports, but that is just another way of showing how passionate and proactive we are.
We are after all unique in many ways apart from being the only country the Roman Empire could not conqour and basically had to build a wall to stop us taking all their stuff!
You can now come out of that closet you live in a declare your own desires to visit Scotland.
We are Smiles Better.
I was only having some jocular fun over the scot - english heritage. It is something you have to laugh at having lived in both of these countries.
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Sent ye hame tae think gain did we!

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turtle wrote:
<quoted text>Aaighh (sorry i just had to spit in the gutter) we all know that geography is not a scots best ken!
But to forget about only half the globe, demonstrates we are talking to a scot with a ken of major proportions.
Having had the displeasure and misfortune to spend some of my few years on this world in the glen of hate, i find your talk of smiles, friendly nature and (i don't know whether to laugh or cry here) culture ! a little confusing,
Just like the fabulous, friendly, and fun loving scottish football fan's who are similar to one set of fans beneath the wall known as scum.
All the f words from the above sentence should be removed to leave us with the true breadth of a scotts contribution and understanding of supporting sport. Also take away the l in the sentence to leave you with a scotts festering general disposition and appearance.
The true story of greyfriars bobby is an illuminating tale revealing the scott for the cheat and liar he truly is.
Here is a link so non scots can familiarise themselves with the tale of what was once scotlands biggest tourist attraction! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greyfriars_Bobby only in scotland could such a tale have occurred. As there is no where on this planet where lying, cheating, drinking, abusing lives can be lived. Hope that you find all is accurate in my tale geeie,
below is the address for the scottish nations national monument, all go a google and look at the mighty building the scotts built to demonstrate their great clans like the egyptians built for their pharaohs
The National Monument, on Calton Hill, Edinburgh, never have a seen a better national statement of intent in a nation's monuments
6879267573_897d58eae9_z.jp
or just google pic it
ok, sorry geeie. Just could not resist.
LMAO!!!!!

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