Star Cyclist Fails Doping Test at Tour

Star Cyclist Fails Doping Test at Tour

There are 78 comments on the The Associated Press story from Jul 24, 2007, titled Star Cyclist Fails Doping Test at Tour . In it, The Associated Press reports that:

Cycling and its premier event, the Tour de France, were reeling Tuesday from yet another blow that threatened what was left of the event's credibility: a failed doping test by one of its biggest stars.

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Rubber side down

Edwardsville, IL

#1 Jul 25, 2007
Well, Well,
seems like Floyd's supposed high T/E test result is tame compared to Vino's supposed blood doping and Rasmussen's unknown whereabouts in May and June. At least Floyd has a good argument for faulty lab work.
I wonder if the LNDD messed up Vino's blood work????!

Can't say I can defend Rasmussen's lack of honesty on his training in Italy when he said he was in Mexico.

Wow! I think I will go for a ride and clear my head of pro cycling's messy mess.

“crystelZENmud”

Since: Jan 07

Reality City

#2 Jul 25, 2007
June: Rasmussen was theoretically on the Giro... 12 May/ 03 June... he must of missed that flight from Italy to Meheeko...

ZENt
Pieter Claassen

South Africa

#3 Jul 26, 2007
Rubber side down wrote:
I think I will go for a ride and clear my head of pro cycling's messy mess.
"Messy mess" is putting it nicely!! I cannot believe that intelligent people can act like this. Who is behind all this? Who is making the money? Who is telling the riders that they won't get caught? It can only be a lot of corrupt docters who don't care about anything or anyone but themselves. They belong in jail for attempted murder because everytime they supply a rider with ped's, his life is in danger. By testing the riders, we are only treating the consequences. But it is wishful thinking to hope that a stop will ever be put to this "messy mess"!!

Cheers

Pieter

“I Love Life, People & Animals”

Since: Feb 07

El Paso, Texas

#4 Jul 26, 2007
The dopping isn't going stop as there's too much big money involved in sports currenly!!!

WADA, UCI, etc need to reorganize themselves and act in compliance with their own rules and regulations.

Leaking news media need to be held legally accountable.

Testing labs need to be held accountable and to prove that they can provide valid and qualified testing results.

Then all the federations need to enforce the rules and policies affecting sports.

Everyone (athelets, team staffs and sponsors) needs to be held accountable.

Raise the punishment level to life suspensions!!!
bob

Tel Aviv, Israel

#5 Jul 26, 2007
you cannot blame the cyclists themselves, there is so much pressure on them, sponsors, media, money. cycling in itself is to blame. you cannot have it both ways. you cannot have millions of dollars, worldwide tv coverage, faster then ever more action packed stages and also have it drug free. the human body can only do so much, and this limit my friends in our point of evolution has been reached. in today's world take the dope out of cycling, the times will be slower, riders will drop out faster, the sponors will fall away and so will the money. It will go back to amateur status meaning no more tv coverage and no more media circus. In a nutshell you cannot have your cake and eat it. the riders are not to blame. we all are and it goes for all sports. so all of you put that in your pipe and smoke it.
Pieter Claassen

South Africa

#6 Jul 27, 2007
bob wrote:
so all of you put that in your pipe and smoke it.
I quit smoking on the 14th of February this year. Still have my pipes but do not intend using them again. It effected my cycling in a bad way.

You made a valid point. I don't disagree with you.
But it is so disappointing when things like this happen. It seems as if the whole world is falling apart. Am I getting to old for all this???

Cheers
Pieter
My Opinion_El Paso_TX

United States

#7 Jul 27, 2007
Good job in quiting smoking Pieter. Give it a few months and you'll see an improvement in your biking.

Look out there South African cyclists, STP, aka ROCKET BUTT will be flying through your pack and leaving you in his dust!!!

Cheers Mate
Rubber side down

Edwardsville, IL

#8 Jul 31, 2007
My Opinion_El Paso_TX wrote:
The dopping isn't going stop as there's too much big money involved in sports currenly!!!
WADA, UCI, etc need to reorganize themselves and act in compliance with their own rules and regulations.
Leaking news media need to be held legally accountable.
Testing labs need to be held accountable and to prove that they can provide valid and qualified testing results.
Then all the federations need to enforce the rules and policies affecting sports.
Everyone (athelets, team staffs and sponsors) needs to be held accountable.
Raise the punishment level to life suspensions!!!
MOEP
you make a great point.... fix the testing process, calibrate it and validate it over time to insure we aren't damning honest cyclists with bad lab technique.

Who in the cycling organization's isn't trying to smear mud on the other?????? Now we have Franke throwing mud at Contador.... I hope Vino, Landis, Alb erto and the bunch sue the hell out of these bad scientists and administrators who don't follow their own rules.

Keep the rubber side down!
LMY

Lexington, KY

#9 Jul 31, 2007
I don't buy the results from this lab until it is independently verified. which did not happen (big surprise).I assume that all of the samples were consumed in the testing. Rasmussen is on his own. who is dumb enough to lie about your whereabouts when the locations are not on the same continent. And people need to look at this in perspective three riders out of 187 is somewhere a little over 1% if that many people had cancer in the population all cancer drugs would be orphaned drugs and nobody would worry about it. and if you could trust the tests from this lab. then all of the bad apples have been caught. and the race was still exciting.

“I Love Life, People & Animals”

Since: Feb 07

El Paso, Texas

#10 Aug 1, 2007
LMY wrote:
I don't buy the results from this lab until it is independently verified. which did not happen (big surprise).I assume that all of the samples were consumed in the testing. Rasmussen is on his own. who is dumb enough to lie about your whereabouts when the locations are not on the same continent. And people need to look at this in perspective three riders out of 187 is somewhere a little over 1% if that many people had cancer in the population all cancer drugs would be orphaned drugs and nobody would worry about it. and if you could trust the tests from this lab. then all of the bad apples have been caught. and the race was still exciting.
You bring in good points LMY. But, it was the Rabobank team who stated that Rasmussin admitted to lying, yet Rasmussin continues denying in being in Italy. So far that only relates to Hear Say, as it's not providing any proof one way or the other. Currently I'm not believing nor disbeleaving either party here. Well have to wait to see what progresses from it all.

Cheers Everyone

“The truth will set you free...”

Since: Jul 07

Lisbon

#11 Aug 2, 2007
Everyone's innocent until proven otherwise.

Personally, I have my doubts, but as I don't work for any official entity, I can state my opinion.

The Rasmussen affair (I'm assuming that he did went to Italy for some kind of "treatment" and training) introduces a new question: is there a new way of doping that's not known to the WADA ?!

The Dane performed too well in various ocasions and my guess is that he must know who is the new Fuentes or Ferrari or whatever that can work miracles in today's context... that what worries me.

We'll see.
So far, he's 100% innocent, yet under investigation.
john

Brooklyn, NY

#12 Aug 2, 2007
thx for telling it like it is mogwoi!!! please tell me why lance armstrong is still a "hero" in cycling???? proven guilty!!! but only the americans think his tests were fixed and he is still innocent making boatloads of money riding his bike around texas with george bush!!! hahahahhahahah!!! as far as cyclists go, Miguel Indurain and LaMonde were true champions competing in the Giro and "the tour" not shooting up in june like lance to only compete in "the tour"
GORA EUSKADI !!!!!
Pieter Claassen

South Africa

#13 Aug 3, 2007
[QUOTE who="My Opinion_El Paso_TX"
Everyone (athelets, team staffs and sponsors) needs to be held accountable.
Raise the punishment level to life suspensions!!!
[/QUOTE] Plus six months in jail!!!
Wayne

Martinsburg, WV

#14 Aug 3, 2007
Pieter Claassen wrote:
<quoted text> Plus six months in jail!!!
I disagree....

At present, the drug enforcement system cannot believed.......and WADA, UCI, LNDD, ASO, care nothing about the riders, they want "convictions" to show they are doing something.

---Wayne---
Rubber side down

Saint Louis, MO

#15 Aug 3, 2007
john wrote:
thx for telling it like it is mogwoi!!! please tell me why lance armstrong is still a "hero" in cycling???? proven guilty!!! but only the americans think his tests were fixed and he is still innocent making boatloads of money riding his bike around texas with george bush!!! hahahahhahahah!!! as far as cyclists go, Miguel Indurain and LaMonde were true champions competing in the Giro and "the tour" not shooting up in june like lance to only compete in "the tour"
GORA EUSKADI !!!!!
So John, since they didn't have the more sophisticated testing protocols in the late 1980's and early 1990's that they use today, who can say that LeMond or Indurain weren't also dirty.

And how can you impugn (you might need to look that word up) Lance when he tested clean in hundreds of drug screens? The only positive tests were on outdated B samples that were no longer valid samples for the test methodology (you may have heard of shelf-life, ie. like black bananas????) which puts a huge question mark into the LNDD lab integrity.

And maybe you have not heard of the cancer work that Armstrong promotes? But why bother responding to ignorant tirades anyway?????
Bud

Raleigh, NC

#16 Aug 3, 2007
Wayne wrote:
<quoted text>
I disagree....
At present, the drug enforcement system cannot believed.......and WADA, UCI, LNDD, ASO, care nothing about the riders, they want "convictions" to show they are doing something.
---Wayne---
How true.

That is why, even if he is innocent, Floyd will be found guilty.

“The truth will set you free...”

Since: Jul 07

Lisbon

#17 Aug 3, 2007
john wrote:
thx for telling it like it is mogwoi!!!(...) GORA EUSKADI !!!!!
I know that some winners of the past do know how guilty they are. In the case of Lance Armstrong or Richard Virenque, it seems that they know too well the responses for all questions. Other cases, like Jan Ullrich, it seems that someone (called Rudy, I guess) was pulling some strings behind the cutrain.

I want to leave that as it is.
Until proven otherwise, everyone is innocent.

Lance only worked for the TdF and it seems strange (and exceptional) that he never was close to fail. Then, the year after he retires, everybody is accused of being a doping cheat !!!

That strikes me as a very hard fact to believe !

Also the way Pantani won in 1998... a rider that was known to win fabulous stages and then crack the following day won the Giro and the Tour... strange, to say the least.

IMHO, the winners (and other top 10 riders) of the 1998, 1999, 2001, 2003 and 2005 will someday have a lot to say about their performances.

I have deep respect for what Euskatel Euskadi has done over the years, not coming close to be a suspect, even if it cost them access to higher positions in the GC... Zubeldia and Mayo have always been top riders even considering that they were never on the podium; in today's scenery, maybe that's the price for being honest !!!

MOEP, once again, I have to agree 100% with your words, as it's clear that not only riders should be taken responsible for these actions... far from it.

Again, IMHO, Alexandre Vinokourov has been framed. No one would be that stupid and use a common blood transfusion to win a stage and make a comeback in the TdF GC. These type of blood doping is detectable since last century !!!

In time, we'll learn the truth... hopefully.
Gus

Vancouver, Canada

#18 Aug 3, 2007
Pieter Claassen wrote:
<quoted text> Plus six months in jail!!!
...hey Pieter,Life suspensions NO, maybe 4 years suspension, JAIL time,absolutely NO.It's not like they're doing Heroin,Crack Cocaine and the likes.4 years plus a heavy FINE.If Doctors,Soigneurs etc are found to be involved,then they should be Suspended for life,also issued a restraining order to stay away from the Sport and all its riders.

Cheers!

“crystelZENmud”

Since: Jan 07

Reality City

#19 Aug 3, 2007
Mogwai?

You're aware that Mayo recently (last three days?) was 'declared positive'(at least at the A sample level)...

ZENback

“crystelZENmud”

Since: Jan 07

Reality City

#20 Aug 3, 2007
Somehow I think we're all losing our heads:

Things that MUST BE DONE:

ANY product with ANY therapeutic use (Sports food additives, bars, etc; pommades; OTC medications; prescriptions, diagnostics, ETC ETC)...
MUST have a CLEAR label:

"USE OF THIS PRODUCT MAY/WILL BE PRODUCE POSITIVE SPORTS DOPING CONTROLS WORLDWIDE due to the BANNED SUBSTANCE ______// or is likely to test POSITIVE in reaction with ______."

ANYBODY SELLING 'X' to any Athlete, Coach or Intermediary, for the purposes of Sports Doping, is subject to 1-5-20 years in Prison (send'm to Guantanamo...), UNLESS under proper medical prescription; TUE usage, etc.

POSSESSION of 'X' without above prescriptions, TUE etc is subject to (TB Determined)...

USE is ....(sorry, it's Friday eve!)

ZENthoughtz

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