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Armstrong Lawyers Say USADA Offering Riders Deals

There are 159 comments on the WBZ-TV story from Aug 2, 2010, titled Armstrong Lawyers Say USADA Offering Riders Deals. In it, WBZ-TV reports that:

Share + Aug 2, 2010 3:54 pm US/Eastern JIM VERTUNO, AP Sports Writer AUSTIN, Texas Lance Armstrong's attorneys say the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency is offering cyclists a "sweetheart deal" if they testify or provide evidence that the seven-time Tour de France winner cheated by doping.

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Gus

Vancouver, Canada

#1 Aug 3, 2010
Piss on USADA they should spend their time fighting the Mexican/Columbian Drug Cartels.
IsthisNews

Dixon, IL

#2 Aug 3, 2010
Is this not the way investigations always work. You catch a smaller fish and use it as bait to catch a larger fish.
snowflake

San Francisco, CA

#3 Aug 3, 2010
News you are right, poor Lance is a bit worried. When the truth comes out it is better for all. Lance dirty or clean is still head and shoulders better than any cyclist we know. He has given back ten times more than what he earned in racing. He raised over 150 million dollars for cancer and charities. He cares for the average person, if our leaders were like Lance we will not have the problems we are having now. Just tell the truth Lance, you are still a hero no matter what.
jtk

Westland, MI

#4 Aug 3, 2010
Lance didn't win the TdF clean...how can anyone say he is better than any other cyclist?

Sadly, we'll never really know how good he really was (or not).....but that's Lance's fault.

my 2 cents
snowflake wrote:
News you are right, poor Lance is a bit worried. When the truth comes out it is better for all. Lance dirty or clean is still head and shoulders better than any cyclist we know. He has given back ten times more than what he earned in racing. He raised over 150 million dollars for cancer and charities. He cares for the average person, if our leaders were like Lance we will not have the problems we are having now. Just tell the truth Lance, you are still a hero no matter what.
My Opinion_El Paso_Texas

El Paso, TX

#5 Aug 4, 2010
Gus wrote:
Piss on USADA they should spend their time fighting the Mexican/Columbian Drug Cartels.
Hey Gus, that war isn't going so well either. Anyone who believes that the war on drugs is working needs to rethink that one.

Side Note: Our city hall here in El Paso over lools the US/Mexican border. Awhile back there was a fire fight that took place on the Mexican side and some stray bullets actually hit our city hall.

Cheers
Cyclingfan

San Francisco, CA

#6 Aug 4, 2010
Agreed with you TJK but what he did for the sport is more than all the other cyclists put together. Lance came from nowhere to become an overnight sensation, it does not happened in cycling, cycling is skill and stamina and courage it takes time and proper training. That's what many of us questioning about Lance. You see the progression in Alberto and Andy and you know they will be good, I did not see that in Lance.
Gus

Vancouver, Canada

#7 Aug 4, 2010
Lance was a Triathlete before becoming courier in the Peletons,hence the strength.
Athos

Bradford, UK

#8 Aug 4, 2010
My Opinion_El Paso_Texas wrote:
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Hey Gus, that war isn't going so well either. Anyone who believes that the war on drugs is working needs to rethink that one.
Side Note: Our city hall here in El Paso over lools the US/Mexican border. Awhile back there was a fire fight that took place on the Mexican side and some stray bullets actually hit our city hall.
Cheers
Better give Texas back to the Mexicans then!!!!
Cyclingfan

San Francisco, CA

#9 Aug 5, 2010
Lance was nothing till he started doping.
Gus

Vancouver, Canada

#10 Aug 5, 2010
Cyclingfan wrote:
Lance was nothing till he started doping.
...so,you know ...the PROOF s'il vous plait!

“crystelZENmud”

Since: Jan 07

Reality City

#11 Aug 6, 2010
What a mess: putting Congress in charge of a doping-investigation is like putting J Edgar Hoover in charge of an anti-gay investigation...

ZENjd
My Opinion_El Paso_Texas

United States

#12 Aug 6, 2010
Athos wrote:
<quoted text>Better give Texas back to the Mexicans then!!!!
Seems that the Mexican veterans who have served in the US military are of a different opinion on your suggestion Chris.

And there is a lot more going on all over the US/Mecican border besides there in El Paso. We're just not hearing about it on the news.

Cheers

Since: Aug 10

Greensboro, NC

#13 Aug 8, 2010
Cyclingfan wrote:
Agreed with you TJK but what he did for the sport is more than all the other cyclists put together. Lance came from nowhere to become an overnight sensation, it does not happened in cycling, cycling is skill and stamina and courage it takes time and proper training. That's what many of us questioning about Lance. You see the progression in Alberto and Andy and you know they will be good, I did not see that in Lance.
I had the opportunity to ride with Lance when he was 13 year old (or thereabouts) when I was living and racing out of Dallas. I remember hammering around White Rock lake and this punk trying to ride with us. We kept notching up the speed hoping we would dust him. When we got to the point when we couldn't notch it up any more (about 33 mph on the flats), I looked behind me expecting to see a spec resembling a cyclist way behind us. To my surprise, he was right on my wheel. I didn't get to know him well because I left Dallas shortly after that but I knew, if he kept at it, he was going to be great.

What people don't know about Lance is that he is physiologically perfect for cycling. His VO2 Max is off the charts and his recovery rate is faster than most. Pre-cancer, he rode with reckless abandon and was too heavy to ever be a contender at the Tour de France. Endurance cycling is all about weight to power ratios and pre-cancer Lance's was not ideal. After cancer, Lance worked harder than any cyclist would ever think of working to get back in shape. He also had the help of some of the brightest minds in sports to help him along. On top of that, he began to ride smarter and conserve his energy where, previously, he would have put his head down and hammered. All of these factors together made Lance the cyclist he was and, on performance enhancing drugs or not (I believe he was) he deserved to win every single Tour de France that he won. I say this because I know, with utmost certainty, that everyone else that was in contention was on something, too. I would go as far as saying that everyone in each of the races was on something. The issue of whether or not PEDs were involved with his victories isn't important. If he didn't take them and everyone else was clean, he still would have won. But, because everyone wasn't clean, he had to take them to keep the playing field even. We know for a fact that Ulrich, Pantani, Vini, and that skinny guy from the Netherlands who has yet to make his way back to the pro pelaton, were on something. The question I have for everyone is, would it be fair for Lance to lose the Tour de France because he was clean and everyone else was on something? In professional sports, as in life, things are not black and white. There is a tremendous amount of gray area and one needs to learn to operate in the gray or resign themselves to a life filled with disappointment. And unless you've never cheated at anything and are perfect, you do not deserve the right to judge.

Since: Aug 10

Greensboro, NC

#14 Aug 8, 2010
Cyclingfan wrote:
Lance was nothing till he started doping.
I disagree and I have first-hand knowledge. Lance had a tremendous amount of potential before he even stepped onto the bike. As I have said in other posts, he was physiologically perfect for the sport of cycling. There is no other cyclist on record that has his VO2 Max or his recovery rate. What was lacking in his early years was an ideal power to weight ratio. I really wish people wouldn't make off-handed comments without any data to back it up. It just makes you sound stupid. But if that is what you are going for, far be it from me to stop you. BTW-I personally believe that Lance was on PEDs his entire career in case you think I admire him blindly. But, I also know what it takes to compete at that level and have trained 600-700 miles per week. Until you have, you really shouldn't comment unless you have something worthwhile to bring to the table.

Since: Aug 10

Greensboro, NC

#15 Aug 8, 2010
snowflake wrote:
News you are right, poor Lance is a bit worried. When the truth comes out it is better for all. Lance dirty or clean is still head and shoulders better than any cyclist we know. He has given back ten times more than what he earned in racing. He raised over 150 million dollars for cancer and charities. He cares for the average person, if our leaders were like Lance we will not have the problems we are having now. Just tell the truth Lance, you are still a hero no matter what.
Finally someone that gets it. Even if it is discovered that Lance was doping (and, as I have said many times before, I believe he was)he will be remembered as the greatest cyclist and one of the greatest philanthropists of our time. I would have more respect for him if he came out and told the truth. It's not like everyone doesn't suspect it anyhow. But, as you have so eloquently pointed out, he has given back ten times more than what he earned in racing (if not more).

“crystelZENmud”

Since: Jan 07

Reality City

#16 Aug 8, 2010
OldFatCyclist wrote:
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Finally someone that gets it. Even if it is discovered that Lance was doping (and, as I have said many times before, I believe he was)he will be remembered as the greatest cyclist and one of the greatest philanthropists of our time. I would have more respect for him if he came out and told the truth. It's not like everyone doesn't suspect it anyhow. But, as you have so eloquently pointed out, he has given back ten times more than what he earned in racing (if not more).
Hi OFC...

You may enjoy reading the translation I made of a FR magazine article, some two years ago (actually it's from 2001, but my 'blog post' was in 2008; I'd previously translated it for a group of friends in Europe)...

http://crystelzenmud.blogspot.com/2008/02/200...

The author says essentially what you did...

ZENjd

Since: Aug 10

Greensboro, NC

#17 Aug 8, 2010
ZENmud wrote:
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Hi OFC...
You may enjoy reading the translation I made of a FR magazine article, some two years ago (actually it's from 2001, but my 'blog post' was in 2008; I'd previously translated it for a group of friends in Europe)...
http://crystelzenmud.blogspot.com/2008/02/200...
The author says essentially what you did...
ZENjd
Thanks for the link to your blog post. It was much more detailed than I ever could have been, but certainly illustrates the point I was trying to make. Imagine having all these factors considered and applied when racing. You'd have to have a tremendous amount of resources and a ton of really smart people that could interpret the results. You'd have to be someone like Lance. So not only did Lance out work everyone, but he worked smarter than everyone, too. Add, an equally intelligent administration of performance enhancing technology and you've got a 7-time winner of the Tour de France. BTW-I think Lance lost the TdF on purpose this year. I think the promoters of the race told him there was too much heat for them to hide his PED use. Certainly, finishing 25th or where ever he finished took the microscope off of his performance. I think, if Floyd had not come forward when he did, Lance would have won his 8th TdF. Of course this is all conjecture.

“crystelZENmud”

Since: Jan 07

Reality City

#18 Aug 8, 2010
OldFatCyclist wrote:
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Thanks for the link to your blog post. It was much more detailed than I ever could have been, but certainly illustrates the point I was trying to make. Imagine having all these factors considered and applied when racing. You'd have to have a tremendous amount of resources and a ton of really smart people that could interpret the results. You'd have to be someone like Lance. So not only did Lance out work everyone, but he worked smarter than everyone, too. Add, an equally intelligent administration of performance enhancing technology and you've got a 7-time winner of the Tour de France. BTW-I think Lance lost the TdF on purpose this year. I think the promoters of the race told him there was too much heat for them to hide his PED use. Certainly, finishing 25th or where ever he finished took the microscope off of his performance. I think, if Floyd had not come forward when he did, Lance would have won his 8th TdF. Of course this is all conjecture.
Two points:

I think that the 'Vélo Mag' article was perhaps the last thing published in France that viewed Lance positively; after that, the inception of WADA, the mouth of Dick Pound and the insidiousness of French rag 'L'Equipe' began the nay-saying and backstabbing...

On the other hand, I don't think Lance actually was capable of beating men 12-15 years younger than he... I liked his quote after one stage (when he and Christophe Moreau were in the breakaway), saying "I wasn't the oldest one...", heh heh

If 'we' believe anything written in France, then Lance should have had 'carte blanche' to win, because the UCI refused AFLD participation in lab-analyses of Tour 2010 samples...(which actually became an issue after the 2009 'report' AFLD and Bordry issued, renounced by the UCI at the end of October...)

I did a youTube on that affair...
"STRAIGHT DOPE show one"

ZENjd)))

Since: Aug 10

Greensboro, NC

#19 Aug 8, 2010
ZENmud wrote:
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Two points:
I think that the 'Vélo Mag' article was perhaps the last thing published in France that viewed Lance positively; after that, the inception of WADA, the mouth of Dick Pound and the insidiousness of French rag 'L'Equipe' began the nay-saying and backstabbing...
On the other hand, I don't think Lance actually was capable of beating men 12-15 years younger than he... I liked his quote after one stage (when he and Christophe Moreau were in the breakaway), saying "I wasn't the oldest one...", heh heh
If 'we' believe anything written in France, then Lance should have had 'carte blanche' to win, because the UCI refused AFLD participation in lab-analyses of Tour 2010 samples...(which actually became an issue after the 2009 'report' AFLD and Bordry issued, renounced by the UCI at the end of October...)
I did a youTube on that affair...
"STRAIGHT DOPE show one"
ZENjd)))
I guess I let the conspiracy theorist in me get a little out of hand;-) I wanted anyone but Contador to win...I was a young punk with a huge ego at one time in my life, too. I just never won the TdF so maybe I am a little jealous. And now that I am old and fat, I wanted Lance to win for the older folks. Had he won, I might have been motivated to start cycling again;-) I still may, I just need a much heavier bike to support all the extra weight I'll be carrying around. The weight to power ration theory will definitely be working against me.
SpeedyPete

Pretoria, South Africa

#20 Aug 8, 2010
OldFatCyclist wrote:
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I still may, I just need a much heavier bike to support all the extra weight I'll be carrying around. The weight to power ration theory will definitely be working against me.
I'm 66 years old and I weigh 110kg without clothes. This is a plus factor on the downhills. I not only still ride my bikes, I'm still "racing". I take part in mtn bike events and because I'm now a Grand Master, I'm often a winner as well.

So come on, if you want to do it, there is NO reason why you can't. Just do it!!!

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