Lance Armstrong and American Exceptio...

Lance Armstrong and American Exceptionalism

There are 12 comments on the The New Republic story from May 29, 2011, titled Lance Armstrong and American Exceptionalism. In it, The New Republic reports that:

The moment when it started to seem obvious that something might be up with Lance Armstrong - that the sudden dominance of Americans in a sport they had previously ignored might be built on shaky foundations - had nothing directly to do with Armstrong himself.

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West Covina, CA

#1 May 30, 2011
Look, Lance is old and not compete at the top games now. The main influence he brought to this world is not his seven-time victory. It is the inspiration he has brought to millions of people who either suffer in cancer or having very difficult time in their lives with his struggle with terminal decease and won.

Think of how impossible it is to survive cancer in his condition, let along coming back to be a professional athlete. Truth or not, bringing these story to public only do harm to the society and less good. Bottom line to the reporters: if you need to figure a lofty reason to say that "though difficult" but what you do is right, then you need to shut the fuk up and move on. Look at the big picture.
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West Covina, CA

#2 May 30, 2011
There are typos & incomplete sentence in the comments posted.
- his story of struggling with terminal desease and won.
- this story

But the main idea is still the same.

Danimal

Switzerland

#3 May 30, 2011
For nearly a decade - Lance has prevailed in intellect and physical stamina over everyone on and off the racing tour.

He has beaten the best athletes, displayed exceptional human determination, used his successes and the press to build a powerful and influencal image, and (possibly) out-smarted the best doping testers and processes. Whether that includes EPO "cheating" or not - he has beaten EVERYONE at their rules for years in all their attempts to take him down...

Everyone!

And for those of you now seeking a jealous revenge in the twisted (faux) guise of (let`s-change-the-rules-as-we- go) justice ... you are now a multi-faceted loser for:
1.) failing to win the cycling race
2.) not understanding how you were beaten for so long
3.) not developing a doping test and process that worked in the first place and
4.) irresponsibly spending tax money on a witch hunt of guilty-until-proven-innocent investigation.
5.) failing to live in the present

If the testing program is broken - then FIX it!

Inventing a way to shame Lance now will only feed the egos of those who are the real losers in this whole saga.

And finally, it could be "intelligently" argued that Lance`s contributions to improving humanity at a grand-scale (Cancer research foundation) is not part of the doping issue here.

But "Intelligence" and "Wisdom" are different things.
Robin Hood

Johannesburg, South Africa

#4 May 30, 2011
So what you two are saying is: "It's OK to cheat as long as you share your winnings with others"
Danimal

Switzerland

#5 May 30, 2011
@Robin Hood

He won ...

FACT: He passed the 500 +/- tests as they were given - when they were given, and what they tested for. And if something was missed ... it was missed - and he passed. He passed because that was the test and the rules and the methods imposed at the time.

It is illogical and unfair to change the rules retroactively.

He outpaced, outworked, outlasted, AND outsmarted

That is knowing your competition at all levels ... and being a winner - not a cheater.

... you called it cheating.
pedsinLA

Brookhaven, PA

#6 May 30, 2011
If Lance had one or two titles he'd be dust in the wind and a mention on page 100 of a record book. It's the multiple titles again and again that tells me that Lance is exceptional alright. Exceptional at cheating. Apparently he is smart enough to read his body, feed his body(what ever), pass tests and play politics with the appropiate governing bodies.
My Opinion_El Paso_Texas

El Paso, TX

#7 May 31, 2011
It's not the sport of cycling itself tht has gotten Lance Armstrong into this investigation even though guys like Richard Tygart and Richard ???? from WADA want his ass badly.

It's because the US Postal team was sponsored by the US Postal system and that is a branch of the US Federal government. This current federal administration needs a "Dog Wagging His Tail" situation for distraction considering that our political leaders are not doing such a hot job right now.
john agresti

North Fort Myers, FL

#8 Aug 6, 2011
key words from the article-'single -minded focus to the tour. armstrong won because he spent more time preparing for the tour (riding the courses beforehand) + (not racing in other major races prior to the tour -unlike most of the euro-pros)+ (he had george hincapie pulling him along for all 7 tour wins). I find it hard to believe he would risk his reputation in the world/pro-cycling/cancer foundation communities by doping. You could make the argument that he doped in order to maintain his reputation(s). To me - the bottom line is -as of now -there is no tangible proof/evidence to show that armstrong doped - and without it- I don't think the UCI and all the other governing bodies for cycling are going to do anything towards lance without it.
judy

Westfield, MA

#9 Aug 17, 2011
pedsinLA wrote:
If Lance had one or two titles he'd be dust in the wind and a mention on page 100 of a record book. It's the multiple titles again and again that tells me that Lance is exceptional alright. Exceptional at cheating. Apparently he is smart enough to read his body, feed his body(what ever), pass tests and play politics with the appropiate governing bodies.
Your way out there. I don't know where you're getting your data to proclaim that Lance is a cheater.
He's a winner in all ways on and off the bike, tireless in his efforts to lead the race against cancer.
Think again about tromping on a good man's reputation.

“Carpe Diem”

Since: Mar 07

Bristol UK

#10 Aug 18, 2011
judy wrote:
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Your way out there. I don't know where you're getting your data to proclaim that Lance is a cheater.
He's a winner in all ways on and off the bike, tireless in his efforts to lead the race against cancer.
Think again about tromping on a good man's reputation.
Yep, a great (TDF) rider. Just that, but yes, a great rider, easy to knock the guy, but he was NEVER tested positive. Did he take drugs? Yes probably, but they were to keep him alive, not cheat.
My Opinion_El Paso_Texas

United States

#11 Aug 18, 2011
Athos wrote:
<quoted text>Yep, a great (TDF) rider. Just that, but yes, a great rider, easy to knock the guy, but he was NEVER tested positive. Did he take drugs? Yes probably, but they were to keep him alive, not cheat.
Interesting thoughts and points.

Shame that the leaders are not trying to really work together more effectively in trying to reshape and reform cycling along with all of the other sports.

The Soap Opera Circus continues to creep along!

On a brighter note, I had an enjoyable and engaging conversation with two Army NCO's who have both served in Iraq more then twice each this afternoon.

Cheers

“The truth will set you free...”

Since: Jul 07

Lisbon

#12 Aug 19, 2011
My Opinion_El Paso_Texas wrote:
It's not the sport of cycling itself tht has gotten Lance Armstrong into this investigation(...).
It's because the US Postal team was sponsored by the US Postal system and that is a branch of the US Federal government. This current federal administration needs a "Dog Wagging His Tail" situation for distraction considering that our political leaders are not doing such a hot job right now.
Ahahahaha... you could be right, MOeP !!!

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