UCI tries to block USADA charges against Armstrong

Aug 3, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Albany Times Union

Cycling's international governing body is trying to block the case American anti-doping officials filed against Lance Armstrong , saying there may be a lack of due process and that witnesses were promised "advantages" in exchange for incriminating statements against the seven-time Tour de France winner.

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Bert

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UCI is a bad organization
My Opinion_El Paso_TX

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Granted that the UCI hasn't always done good, but with their asking for a separate group to look into this case isn't a bad thing.
I would hope that when ever a case is brought up against any sport athlete, that at least that individual is affored a process under due justice. Just as most countries do for al of the other people who end up in a court system.
My Opinion_El Paso_Texas

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I emailed USADA last night, while pointing out their illegal process.

During the Floyd Landis case I was able to email Travic Tygart, but now you're uinable to email any of the big wigs there at USADA. They muct be scrambling and hiding from the public.
Regis Le cycliste

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But! If Lance is completly innocent he should have defended himself by producing evidence.

Why would the process's of the USADA be currupt. Explain!
christine

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Regis Le cycliste wrote:
But! If Lance is completly innocent he should have defended himself by producing evidence.
Why would the process's of the USADA be currupt. Explain!
HOW WOULD HE DO THAT? He has been tested over 500 times in his career and never failed.....To me, this witch hunt started in France.......Landis is still pissed off about not being included on the team with Lance years ago....PERSONAL VENDETTA.....PROMISED ADVANTAGES???? COME ON....how crooked is that?
Helen Payne

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Where's the Proof? Never failed a test !!! And I agree that some people will say anything for profit... I don't blame Lance for not fighting... after a while you get TIRED of it all. Show the world the proof of failed drug tests and we will all believe ...
My Opinion_El Paso_Texas

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The news media has been spouting that USADA has the testimony from riders such as George Hincapie, etc, who have ridden with Lance Armstrong, yet we haven't seen any of this evidence!

Is USADA going to stand up to the plate and show the evidence? I'm not holding my breath waiting for that to happen.
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My Opinion_El Paso_Texas wrote:
I emailed USADA last night, while pointing out their illegal process.
During the Floyd Landis case I was able to email Travic Tygart, but now you're uinable to email any of the big wigs there at USADA. They muct be scrambling and hiding from the public.
Mmm they are all fed up with your 'writing' but not 'listening' It seems that if anyone dares to disagree with you, you refuse to even accept e-mails
I will be back in 6 weeks NY, CA, CO, thankfully not Texas
My Opinion_El Paso_Texas

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Aug 27, 2012
 
Athos wrote:
<quoted text>Mmm they are all fed up with your 'writing' but not 'listening' It seems that if anyone dares to disagree with you, you refuse to even accept e-mails
I will be back in 6 weeks NY, CA, CO, thankfully not Texas
There is quite a difference between disagreeing and attacking a person Chris.

But, I can see that you still prefer in being dishonest here.

I'm surprised that you're not going to Canada, so that you can have a visit with Gus!
Allen Norris

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Regis Le cycliste wrote:
But! If Lance is completly innocent he should have defended himself by producing evidence.
Why would the process's of the USADA be currupt. Explain!
Over 500 clean drug tests was the evidence. How does one submit evidence against hearsay? The only person who did submit any evidence was Lance Armstrong. This whole thing is a farce and a witchhunt.
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Everyone keeps saying no positive tests. Dick Pound, former president of WADA, has stated Armstrong tested positive to a banned substance and presented and after the fact therapeutic use exemption and samples tested positive on 6 occasions to epo with subsequent tests on stored samples.
I am a great fan of cycling and actually of Armstrongs but I find it hard to believe that everyone supporting the argument that Armstrong doped are liars with a vendetta or people with something to gain.
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I think this is publicity. Well, ASO will decide for it. This is witch hunt I agree.
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Its better to help others with cancer disease.

Godspeed! Lance
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Aug 28, 2012
 
not idolizing but as an inspiration for being a cyclist. Il ne s'agit pas de la moto!
GeeMan

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Aug 29, 2012
 
I am a big cycling fan and as such have great respect for what Lance achieved bearing in mind that every other major contender for the TDF received a ban of some kind at one time or another. If you look at 2005 TDF the winner on USADA assumptions would be Cadel Evans who finished 8th but only if others did not accuse him!

Sports testing for banned substances caught up with those taking them when they introduced trace elements to prove cheating and since that was overcome they are back to testing for masking agents and so far behind it is incredible, just ask the DR who was in charge of the whole London 2012 testing regimes and protocols who was asked only 4 positive test you must feel you have done a good job to which he answered that either all the other Athletes were clean or they are so far behind it was a joke and said he believed it was the latter.

The real issue here is that USADA procedures in the matter offering current cyclist such as Hincapie deals the UCI CANNOT endorse as a registered cyclist and under USADA rules by indicting himself with evidense must receive an immediate ban and not allowed to ride in the TDF as he is or for Hamilton to ride in UCI and WADC endorsed events.

Even if Lance is guilty and if someone has a long record of proof and you decide to use testimony as your defense you need to ensure those testifying are above and betond reproach which they are not and UCI clearly stated a LONG time ago when USADA was handed this case from the US Government who incidently were told to drop the case as it had no substance with the same evidense. USADA have no juridiction or legal answerable route for their efforts normally, however when the case was taken to Federal Court not to stop it as misreported in the press but gain a Temporary Restraining Order against USADA it received a Legal Commentary that lambasted USADA in the approach having serious constitutional concerns and having no evidense and this will be a major problem for USADA when a Legal Challenge is made.

Did he take banned substances and engage in activities (transfusions etc) as reported I believe in my own opinion most likely he did but how he is being pursued is a real witch hunt.

Just think if this had been under due legal process it would not have started and if the same events were engaged in a case that involved our own families and friends and a guilty person was released due to poor procedures we would all be more than mad.

The USADA are engaging in guerilla tactics to land a big fish such as Lance for good reasons and ethics and Lance has likely engaged in activities that would have him banned from Sport and used the outcome for great ethical purposes.

Sometimes the bigger picture is far more important thn the sum of its parts and this is one of these.
Both wrong and both with noble causes so leave it alone and move on.
Gus

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Aug 29, 2012
 
I believe in PROOF ABSOLUTE,show us the money and stop wasting everyones time,then we can get on with it,no proof,NO GUILT! sez I.
Regis Le cycliste

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Aug 29, 2012
 
Gus wrote:
I believe in PROOF ABSOLUTE,show us the money and stop wasting everyones time,then we can get on with it,no proof,NO GUILT! sez I.
Just as Floyd Landis, Hamilton, Contador and the list goes on, said! If Lance is truely innocent of doping he should fight on and produce proof absolute. The UCI/USADA have a very good record exposing cheats.
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Aug 29, 2012
 
Regis the only problem I see is that UCI will not vote their whole process in the past and now as rrelevant and possibly themselves as the competent party to run cycling.

Manufacturers, Sponsors, etc. who have a lot of money invested in cycling will not accept these changes as their credibility by association is also tarnished, I cannot see this being accepted by UCI especially as they have rejected USADA involvement since the Federal Government dropped their own case and handed it to them.

Exposing cheats is what is needed however how long do you wait, how far back do you go and how much rigorous testing and investigation do you apply to everyone awarded Titles taken from Cyclists/Athletes deemed to be drugs cheats?

Were the London 2012 Olympic games attended to by clean theletes except 4 who were caught or not using the same testing regimes laid down in the WADC? I believe the answer is no so when do we find out and how far back do we go.

WADC/WADA have an 8 year statute of limitation but USADA believe they are allowed to go back further and change the rules to land the BIG FISH to validate themselves.

Every witness for USADA received compensation of one kind or another for their input including deals to retain titles and moniies from racing and sponsors that they expect armstrong to hand back.

The weakest link here is Travis Tygart who is on a mission and telling other organisations they shall accept his judgement. Unfortunately non-American countries dont have a good record of responding to that (except UK) so we shall see whay UCI say/do especially after their recent comments of not accepting USADA actions.
My Opinion_El Paso_Texas

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Aug 30, 2012
 
I believe that all of us here want to see those who cheat with doping and illegal drugs get what isn coming to them, yet it needs to be done in a thorough and legal manner.

The problem so far has been that only the rider (Cheat) has been the one caught and branded, while we're not seeing who/everyone that was involved in those cases are and I don't believe that USADA has a clue as to who they are.
GeeMan

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Aug 31, 2012
 
El Paso I agree with you 100% about USADA but they have also selected only those who have said he cheated and willing to testify but they have interviewed and spoken to a whole lot more than the 10 they have on board but these riders said either they will not testify or stated he did not cheat and these riders are of no help to USADA cause.

It would do USADA more service and credit if they said how many were approached and how many said no he did not cheat, how many are no comment as well as the 10 we know of.

Its a lot like only counting the votes in an election that support your cause!!

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