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Armstrong's fall from grace may help cycling

There are 252 comments on the NBC29 story from Aug 24, 2012, titled Armstrong's fall from grace may help cycling. In it, NBC29 reports that:

Cyclist Floyd Landis has pleaded not guilty to wire fraud in San Diego and prosecutors agreed to defer prosecution on condition he makes restitution to people from whom he raised money to fund his fight against... Cyclist Floyd Landis agreed Friday to repay donors nearly a half-million dollars that he raised to challenge doping allegations in an ... (more)

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worker

Moneta, VA

#38 Sep 6, 2012
My Opinion_El Paso_Texas wrote:
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1. Only the news nedia has reported that during the federal investigation they interviewed some of the team mates of Lance Armstrong. This also took place with the USADA. Yet, "NO ONE" has has named names and no one has stated what if anything that those riders may have or have not stated during those interviews.
2. Now this is the very first time that someone states that French riders were also interviewed. Could you please provide your source of information here for all of us!
3. So, far the USADA has banned one doctor and one team member for life from Lance Armstrong's cycling team. USADA has not reported what, if anything that either of those two gentlemen have prived them as information.
4. Sorry to bust your bubble here, but that is not a legal admission of guilt. Granted that it doesn't sit well with most of us as we would have preferred to see Lance Amrtsrong continue his fight with the USADA and even have had that fight in the public forum.
5. Allow me to state publically here that I have doubts about you knoping anyone who may have raced in the TDF and I certainly don't buy that anyone told you that they all believe that Lance Armstrong doped as the members of the peleton have not and are not talking to anyone about this case.
If you took the time to research and read the various cycling web sites along with the various cycling forums, you would ahve already know that no one is talking.
Right now the Main topic in cycling is about Bijan Riis being questioned about his role in doping as a cycling team mangers and owned since Tyler Hamilton referenced him in his tell-all book.
#1: Really? This sounds like you are just babbling on this one. You can find names splattered all over the internet, even ESPN. You can also find bits of pieces of tons of evidence leaked out on various publications, from teammates to the number of Armstrong blood samples submitted that they have tested, etc.. etc… Of course the evidence is not disclosed to public at this point, but there is more than enough written on it to give even a sympathizer like you some degree of foreshadowing.

#2: In the now infamous incident in 2001, former Armstrong teammate Jonathan Vaughters, who later quit and joined a FRENCH team, was denied a cortisone shot because of anti-doping regulations during the TdF final week. His right eye was completely swollen shut. At the starting line Armstrong said to Vaughters: Poor Jonathan and his stupid little French team," he spat. "What the f$#% are you like? If you had stayed with me, this would have been taken care of but now you are not going to finish the Tour de France because of a wasp sting." He was of course referring to the cortisone shot that his team refused to give him…because the French team and their sponsors actually obeyed the rules.– No cite needed, this has been well documented and plastered all over reputable sources.

#3: If only he public could actually know the real story behind Operation Puerto. And before I forget, one stat you conveniently have not brought up is that “Since Tommy Sampson’s death in 1967, 86% of Tour de France winners have been tarnished or implicated by doping.”–The Guardian, last week.
worker

Moneta, VA

#39 Sep 6, 2012
My Opinion_El Paso_Texas wrote:
<quoted text>
1. Only the news nedia has reported that during the federal investigation they interviewed some of the team mates of Lance Armstrong. This also took place with the USADA. Yet, "NO ONE" has has named names and no one has stated what if anything that those riders may have or have not stated during those interviews.
2. Now this is the very first time that someone states that French riders were also interviewed. Could you please provide your source of information here for all of us!
3. So, far the USADA has banned one doctor and one team member for life from Lance Armstrong's cycling team. USADA has not reported what, if anything that either of those two gentlemen have prived them as information.
4. Sorry to bust your bubble here, but that is not a legal admission of guilt. Granted that it doesn't sit well with most of us as we would have preferred to see Lance Amrtsrong continue his fight with the USADA and even have had that fight in the public forum.
5. Allow me to state publically here that I have doubts about you knoping anyone who may have raced in the TDF and I certainly don't buy that anyone told you that they all believe that Lance Armstrong doped as the members of the peleton have not and are not talking to anyone about this case.
If you took the time to research and read the various cycling web sites along with the various cycling forums, you would ahve already know that no one is talking.
Right now the Main topic in cycling is about Bijan Riis being questioned about his role in doping as a cycling team mangers and owned since Tyler Hamilton referenced him in his tell-all book.
#4: Armstrong and his attorney don’t want this to go to litigation with USADA because they know they will lose in arbitration. Armstrong is claiming the jurisdiction is with the UCI, not USADA; his attorney said they will fight a claim with UCI, but not one with USADA. I wonder why? Well, let’s see: USADA CEO Travis T. Tygart in his own words (July 26, 2012):“The USPS Doping Conspiracy was going on under the watch of UCI, so of course UCI and the participants in the conspiracy who cheated the sport with dangerous performance enhancing drugs to win have a strong incentive to cover up what transpired.” And who basically runs the UCI? Pat 'banned from life from the Olympics but an IOC committee member' McQuaid. Not to mention that the UCI has a vested financial interest in covering this up, i.e. the Vrijman report, and the fact that the UCI is now suing journalists who have written about and asked why the UCI never investigated Landis’s previous claims of doping at USP.
Landis claimed all the way back in 2002 that Armstrong told his USP team members that they overturned ANOTHER positive test for him – that was never made public, SHOCKER!

#5: There really isn’t much to say. You have “doubts” that I know people who raced in the TdF? I can assure you I know two people who did THIS VERY YEAR. Do you know how I know? One is a family member and the other is a close friend of that family member. Tough pill to swallow, I know. I can feel your jealousy from my keyboard. I already know you are going to say that’s a lie because you’re a wanker, but it’s not.
worker

Moneta, VA

#40 Sep 6, 2012
My Opinion_El Paso_Texas wrote:
<quoted text>
1. Only the news nedia has reported that during the federal investigation they interviewed some of the team mates of Lance Armstrong. This also took place with the USADA. Yet, "NO ONE" has has named names and no one has stated what if anything that those riders may have or have not stated during those interviews.
2. Now this is the very first time that someone states that French riders were also interviewed. Could you please provide your source of information here for all of us!
3. So, far the USADA has banned one doctor and one team member for life from Lance Armstrong's cycling team. USADA has not reported what, if anything that either of those two gentlemen have prived them as information.
4. Sorry to bust your bubble here, but that is not a legal admission of guilt. Granted that it doesn't sit well with most of us as we would have preferred to see Lance Amrtsrong continue his fight with the USADA and even have had that fight in the public forum.
5. Allow me to state publically here that I have doubts about you knoping anyone who may have raced in the TDF and I certainly don't buy that anyone told you that they all believe that Lance Armstrong doped as the members of the peleton have not and are not talking to anyone about this case.
If you took the time to research and read the various cycling web sites along with the various cycling forums, you would ahve already know that no one is talking.
Right now the Main topic in cycling is about Bijan Riis being questioned about his role in doping as a cycling team mangers and owned since Tyler Hamilton referenced him in his tell-all book.
-I do “research.” You seem to be very selective in your reading. Why don’t you take a look at Sports Illustrated writer Austin Murphy and his piece (print edition this week) SLAMMING Armstrong. Almost forgot, Murphy mentions Armstrong’s FAILED DRUG TEST IN 1999. Better yet, go read Kieran Shannon’s piece from the Irish Examiner – it describes people like you and the media who defend Armstrong and doping to a “tee.” Or Mike Anderson’s, Armstrong’s former “friend” and assistant, piece, etc..

-“Mr. 60%” himself, Bijan Riis, just like the issue of UCI/USADA jurisdiction/costs is a sideshow. On Hamilton’s book; Christopher Keyes from Outside Magazine puts it bluntly:“No one can read this book with an open mind and still credibly believe that Armstrong didn’t dope. It’s impossible..."

“Livestrong” fan denial for Armstrong is of an absurd magnitude. Let me put it in perspective for you - Here is Mike Anderson again, former personal trainer and “friend” of Lance’s, in his own words on Livestrong after the 2003 TdF victory:“After the win, he returned to Austin for a repeat of the previous off-season menu of training, traveling, sponsorship, and Livestrong obligations, which sometimes seemed to get on his nerves.(At one Livestrong event where he had to speak, I heard him mutter under his breath:‘I hate these [email protected]%ing things.’).”
No, not about cheating, just another account of Lance being the super [cheater] jerk we all know and [hate] love.

I personally know amateur cyclists who were forced to give up their dreams of riding professionally because they refused to submit to the pressures of doping in order to take it to next level. It is a cold reality check when you work so hard only to realize the entire culture of your beloved sport is completely corrupt and immoral at the professional ranks.

The more you post, the less I am convinced you actually know anything about professional cycling. I would expect this level of doping ignorance from a casual fan, but I knew you were a complete fraud when you tried to actually dispute that there isn't a doping culture that strangles professional cycling. To anyone and everyone inside cycling, it is accepted as a bonafide fact that it is greater than a 50/50 chance the guy racing next to you has increased testo in his system or epo etc etc
worker

Moneta, VA

#41 Sep 6, 2012
My Opinion_El Paso_Texas wrote:
<quoted text>
1. Only the news nedia has reported that during the federal investigation they interviewed some of the team mates of Lance Armstrong. This also took place with the USADA. Yet, "NO ONE" has has named names and no one has stated what if anything that those riders may have or have not stated during those interviews.
2. Now this is the very first time that someone states that French riders were also interviewed. Could you please provide your source of information here for all of us!
3. So, far the USADA has banned one doctor and one team member for life from Lance Armstrong's cycling team. USADA has not reported what, if anything that either of those two gentlemen have prived them as information.
4. Sorry to bust your bubble here, but that is not a legal admission of guilt. Granted that it doesn't sit well with most of us as we would have preferred to see Lance Amrtsrong continue his fight with the USADA and even have had that fight in the public forum.
5. Allow me to state publically here that I have doubts about you knoping anyone who may have raced in the TDF and I certainly don't buy that anyone told you that they all believe that Lance Armstrong doped as the members of the peleton have not and are not talking to anyone about this case.
If you took the time to research and read the various cycling web sites along with the various cycling forums, you would ahve already know that no one is talking.
Right now the Main topic in cycling is about Bijan Riis being questioned about his role in doping as a cycling team mangers and owned since Tyler Hamilton referenced him in his tell-all book.
-I do “research.” You seem to be very selective in your reading. Why don’t you take a look at Sports Illustrated writer Austin Murphy and his piece (print edition this week) SLAMMING Armstrong. Almost forgot, Murphy mentions Armstrong’s FAILED DRUG TEST IN 1999. Better yet, go read Kieran Shannon’s piece from the Irish Examiner – it describes people like you and the media who defend Armstrong and doping to a “tee.” Or Mike Anderson’s, Armstrong’s former “friend” and assistant, piece, etc..

-“Mr. 60%” himself, Bijan Riis, just like the issue of UCI/USADA jurisdiction/costs is a sideshow. On Hamilton’s book; Christopher Keyes from Outside Magazine puts it bluntly:“No one can read this book with an open mind and still credibly believe that Armstrong didn’t dope. It’s impossible..."

“Livestrong” fan denial for Armstrong is of an absurd magnitude. Let me put it in perspective for you - Here is Mike Anderson again, former personal trainer and “friend” of Lance’s, in his own words on Livestrong after the 2003 TdF victory:“After the win, he returned to Austin for a repeat of the previous off-season menu of training, traveling, sponsorship, and Livestrong obligations, which sometimes seemed to get on his nerves.(At one Livestrong event where he had to speak, I heard him mutter under his breath:‘I hate these [email protected]%ing things.’).”
No, not about cheating, just another account of Lance being the super [cheater] jerk we all know and [hate] love.

I personally know amateur cyclists who were forced to give up their dreams of riding professionally because they refused to submit to the pressures of doping in order to take it to next level. It is a cold reality check when you work so hard only to realize the entire culture of your beloved sport is completely corrupt and immoral at the professional ranks.

The more you post, the more I am convinced you actually don't know anything about the professional cycling or the strangue hold the doping culture has on it.
inheatwillyouche at

Pottstown, PA

#42 Sep 6, 2012
worker wrote:
<quoted text>
-I do “research.” You seem to be very selective in your reading. Why don’t you take a look at Sports Illustrated writer Austin Murphy and his piece (print edition this week) SLAMMING Armstrong. Almost forgot, Murphy mentions Armstrong’s FAILED DRUG TEST IN 1999. Better yet, go read Kieran Shannon’s piece from the Irish Examiner – it describes people like you and the media who defend Armstrong and doping to a “tee.” Or Mike Anderson’s, Armstrong’s former “friend” and assistant, piece, etc..
-“Mr. 60%” himself, Bijan Riis, just like the issue of UCI/USADA jurisdiction/costs is a sideshow. On Hamilton’s book; Christopher Keyes from Outside Magazine puts it bluntly:“No one can read this book with an open mind and still credibly believe that Armstrong didn’t dope. It’s impossible..."
“Livestrong” fan denial for Armstrong is of an absurd magnitude. Let me put it in perspective for you - Here is Mike Anderson again, former personal trainer and “friend” of Lance’s, in his own words on Livestrong after the 2003 TdF victory:“After the win, he returned to Austin for a repeat of the previous off-season menu of training, traveling, sponsorship, and Livestrong obligations, which sometimes seemed to get on his nerves.(At one Livestrong event where he had to speak, I heard him mutter under his breath:‘I hate these [email protected]%ing things.’).”
No, not about cheating, just another account of Lance being the super [cheater] jerk we all know and [hate] love.
I personally know amateur cyclists who were forced to give up their dreams of riding professionally because they refused to submit to the pressures of doping in order to take it to next level. It is a cold reality check when you work so hard only to realize the entire culture of your beloved sport is completely corrupt and immoral at the professional ranks.
The more you post, the more I am convinced you actually don't know anything about the professional cycling or the strangue hold the doping culture has on it.
I think it was Tyler Hamilton who I heard today on ESPN radio say it was easy to get sucked into the world of doping as a YOUNG rider. YOUNG or not as wise & experienced might very well succumb to the peer pressure to dope. It's almost like this is what the veterans on the tour looked for/wanted. It's sorta like the movie Training Day where they test the new guy to see how far they'll go. You find it in all professions to a degree where many try to dirty up the clean as a test and to make themselves feel 'normal'.
It all comes down to do the ends justify the means, especially with alot of money and fame at stake.
GeeMan

Newport, UK

#43 Sep 6, 2012
Worker a few points on your post.

It was Tom Simpsons not Sampson.

Its not Litigation with the USADA but a Hearing. The Litigation against Armstrong was dropped due to insufficient secure evidence and the DA said drop it as it will be thrown out as soon as its submitted.

You appear to be a super Armstrong hater which makes your judgement on him as clear as super fans who say he did nothing wrong!

I also dont believe you know anyone in Cycling otherwise why would you say you carry out extensive research when you 2 TDF riders to tell you everything you need! Bit of a give away there Im afraid.
If you do know them tell us who they are and I will be happy to eat humble pie otherwise your comments are as reliable as a paid witness in a trial - hope you get the irony?

If you actually knew anything about Cycling you wouldnt put stats out like 86% of TDF winners since 1967 have implicated or tarnished with PED's BUT then you say the likelyhood of a rider in a TDF next to you is 50% probably on PED's. your comments are all over the place as your stats are im afraid.

Your evience also appears to be biased ones from the press advising that someone has said something about Armstrong.

You need to read your posts back and try and get some perspective on matters Workers and come up with a better cogent argument.

If I were you I would cash in and tell the USADA about your 2 TDF rider buddies and they can testify also OR are they already doing this?

You do need to tell us!
My Opinion_El Paso_Texas

United States

#44 Sep 6, 2012
worker wrote:
<quoted text>
#1: Really? This sounds like you are just babbling on this one. You can find names splattered all over the internet, even ESPN. You can also find bits of pieces of tons of evidence leaked out on various publications, from teammates to the number of Armstrong blood samples submitted that they have tested, etc.. etc… Of course the evidence is not disclosed to public at this point, but there is more than enough written on it to give even a sympathizer like you some degree of foreshadowing.
#2: In the now infamous incident in 2001, former Armstrong teammate Jonathan Vaughters, who later quit and joined a FRENCH team, was denied a cortisone shot because of anti-doping regulations during the TdF final week. His right eye was completely swollen shut. At the starting line Armstrong said to Vaughters: Poor Jonathan and his stupid little French team," he spat. "What the f$#% are you like? If you had stayed with me, this would have been taken care of but now you are not going to finish the Tour de France because of a wasp sting." He was of course referring to the cortisone shot that his team refused to give him…because the French team and their sponsors actually obeyed the rules.– No cite needed, this has been well documented and plastered all over reputable sources.
#3: If only he public could actually know the real story behind Operation Puerto. And before I forget, one stat you conveniently have not brought up is that “Since Tommy Sampson’s death in 1967, 86% of Tour de France winners have been tarnished or implicated by doping.”–The Guardian, last week.
I had already stated that the history of the TDF had shown that it has been full of dop[ing since it's beginning. So, what part of that did you have a problem in comprehending!
worker

Charlottesville, VA

#45 Sep 6, 2012
GeeMan wrote:
Worker a few points on your post.
It was Tom Simpsons not Sampson.
Its not Litigation with the USADA but a Hearing. The Litigation against Armstrong was dropped due to insufficient secure evidence and the DA said drop it as it will be thrown out as soon as its submitted.
You appear to be a super Armstrong hater which makes your judgement on him as clear as super fans who say he did nothing wrong!
I also dont believe you know anyone in Cycling otherwise why would you say you carry out extensive research when you 2 TDF riders to tell you everything you need! Bit of a give away there Im afraid.
If you do know them tell us who they are and I will be happy to eat humble pie otherwise your comments are as reliable as a paid witness in a trial - hope you get the irony?
If you actually knew anything about Cycling you wouldnt put stats out like 86% of TDF winners since 1967 have implicated or tarnished with PED's BUT then you say the likelyhood of a rider in a TDF next to you is 50% probably on PED's. your comments are all over the place as your stats are im afraid.
Your evience also appears to be biased ones from the press advising that someone has said something about Armstrong.
You need to read your posts back and try and get some perspective on matters Workers and come up with a better cogent argument.
If I were you I would cash in and tell the USADA about your 2 TDF rider buddies and they can testify also OR are they already doing this?
You do need to tell us!
--Tom Simpsons not Sampson - Is that the best you got? Rebuttal fail.

--I could care more if you believe me. You act as if I actually have something to prove to you? You seem like every other troll with a wikipedia page. I already posted that I knew you wouldn't believe it, and boy are you turning out to be so predictable.

--When you read a post simply for the purpose of trying so to find something to nitpick, you come up with garbage, or desperation, like you're pathetic 86%/50% argument.

First of all, I said "greater" than 50/50, not 50%. Secondly, forgetting that you made up my 50% figure, even if I did say that, it doesn't detract from the 86% statistic because THAT statistic was linked to "IMPLICATED" and "TARNISHED," and my greater than 50/50 estimate was used in the context of ACTUAL PED USE. Do you understand the difference? If you cannot make that simple connection as to why one encompasses the other than you're a total idiot.

Of course I cited articles from the opposite viewpoint. That was kind of the entire point of my response to El Paso.

One last thing before I go, because let's face it, I think I made my point here -

You said: "Its not Litigation with the USADA but a Hearing. The Litigation against Armstrong was dropped due to insufficient secure evidence and the DA said drop it as it will be thrown out as soon as its submitted."

In the context of what we are talking about, that might be the dumbest thing I have ever heard and you're obviously a total idiot. 100% now, no doubt about it. And the worst part about it is that you won't even get it! The above just proved to me that this is way out of your league buddy.
My Opinion_El Paso_Texas

United States

#46 Sep 6, 2012
worker wrote:
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#4: Armstrong and his attorney don’t want this to go to litigation with USADA because they know they will lose in arbitration. Armstrong is claiming the jurisdiction is with the UCI, not USADA; his attorney said they will fight a claim with UCI, but not one with USADA. I wonder why? Well, let’s see: USADA CEO Travis T. Tygart in his own words (July 26, 2012):“The USPS Doping Conspiracy was going on under the watch of UCI, so of course UCI and the participants in the conspiracy who cheated the sport with dangerous performance enhancing drugs to win have a strong incentive to cover up what transpired.” And who basically runs the UCI? Pat 'banned from life from the Olympics but an IOC committee member' McQuaid. Not to mention that the UCI has a vested financial interest in covering this up, i.e. the Vrijman report, and the fact that the UCI is now suing journalists who have written about and asked why the UCI never investigated Landis’s previous claims of doping at USP.
Landis claimed all the way back in 2002 that Armstrong told his USP team members that they overturned ANOTHER positive test for him – that was never made public, SHOCKER!
#5: There really isn’t much to say. You have “doubts” that I know people who raced in the TdF? I can assure you I know two people who did THIS VERY YEAR. Do you know how I know? One is a family member and the other is a close friend of that family member. Tough pill to swallow, I know. I can feel your jealousy from my keyboard. I already know you are going to say that’s a lie because you’re a wanker, but it’s not.
Interesting at best considering that you have no idea what any person may be thinking at any time of the day.

So, you know two riders who may have competed in this year's TDF, which is a little different from what you first wrote. I won't ask for names simply because anyone can take names of the racing roster from the TDF itself.

If in fact that is true, then good for you. I have no reason nor time for envy or jealousy as I have always admired anyone that can work up to that level of competition and anyone who can last or endure the Tour de France is one hell of an athlete!

At least it looks like you might have read some cycling articles and you may even have read a few cycling forums.

But you blew what I have written way out of porportion. Try to understand that I am not knocking anyone's opinion(s) here. I'm just providing a point or two for people to look at and take note from.

Like I stated earlier that some of us here have been here since August 2006 when the dope came out on Floyd Landis and I for one really learned a lot from that process.
My Opinion_El Paso_Texas

United States

#47 Sep 6, 2012
worker wrote:
<quoted text>
-I do “research.” You seem to be very selective in your reading. Why don’t you take a look at Sports Illustrated writer Austin Murphy and his piece (print edition this week) SLAMMING Armstrong. Almost forgot, Murphy mentions Armstrong’s FAILED DRUG TEST IN 1999. Better yet, go read Kieran Shannon’s piece from the Irish Examiner – it describes people like you and the media who defend Armstrong and doping to a “tee.” Or Mike Anderson’s, Armstrong’s former “friend” and assistant, piece, etc..
-“Mr. 60%” himself, Bijan Riis, just like the issue of UCI/USADA jurisdiction/costs is a sideshow. On Hamilton’s book; Christopher Keyes from Outside Magazine puts it bluntly:“No one can read this book with an open mind and still credibly believe that Armstrong didn’t dope. It’s impossible..."
“Livestrong” fan denial for Armstrong is of an absurd magnitude. Let me put it in perspective for you - Here is Mike Anderson again, former personal trainer and “friend” of Lance’s, in his own words on Livestrong after the 2003 TdF victory:“After the win, he returned to Austin for a repeat of the previous off-season menu of training, traveling, sponsorship, and Livestrong obligations, which sometimes seemed to get on his nerves.(At one Livestrong event where he had to speak, I heard him mutter under his breath:‘I hate these [email protected]%ing things.’).”
No, not about cheating, just another account of Lance being the super [cheater] jerk we all know and [hate] love.
I personally know amateur cyclists who were forced to give up their dreams of riding professionally because they refused to submit to the pressures of doping in order to take it to next level. It is a cold reality check when you work so hard only to realize the entire culture of your beloved sport is completely corrupt and immoral at the professional ranks.
The more you post, the more I am convinced you actually don't know anything about the professional cycling or the strangue hold the doping culture has on it.
Nice try in attacking me, but it's like water off a duck's back.

As to what you offered up for reading, already been there and done that!

But, it would have been nice of you, if you had provided those sources for the other readers here.

In fact during the Floyd Landis case here, we held each other accountable for providing the websites that provided the information that we conveyed to one another.

Please prove that I'm in favor of doping! I challene you to find anywhere here in topix.com where I have ever stated that I'm in favor of doping considering that I have written many times here that I have treated others for addiction!

And if you really try looking here of which I trully believe that ou will not do, you'll find that I was the olny one here who researcehed, found, and provided scientific articles where researchers were trying to figure out why athletes doping in the first place.

I believe that Jonathan vaughters wrote an excellent piece that helps explain this interesting issue!
blah

Charlottesville, VA

#48 Sep 6, 2012
My Opinion_El Paso_Texas wrote:
<quoted text>
Nice try in attacking me, but it's like water off a duck's back.
As to what you offered up for reading, already been there and done that!
But, it would have been nice of you, if you had provided those sources for the other readers here.
In fact during the Floyd Landis case here, we held each other accountable for providing the websites that provided the information that we conveyed to one another.
Please prove that I'm in favor of doping! I challene you to find anywhere here in topix.com where I have ever stated that I'm in favor of doping considering that I have written many times here that I have treated others for addiction!
And if you really try looking here of which I trully believe that ou will not do, you'll find that I was the olny one here who researcehed, found, and provided scientific articles where researchers were trying to figure out why athletes doping in the first place.
I believe that Jonathan vaughters wrote an excellent piece that helps explain this interesting issue!
You responded to my post with numbered rebuttals that took a challenging tone. I responded in the same manner. What do you expect.

You are the quite the charmer. Never before have I seen such an utter fail at the condescending jerk attempting to come across as the polite rational one.
GeeMan

Newport, UK

#49 Sep 7, 2012
Worker thanks for the comments and the various insults - NICE!

Why dont you bring me up to your League as you say and tell us who you allegedly know as TDF riders? It could help us all that have been involved in Cycling for many years to get a far better insight and we could ask you specific questions and get Factual and Acurate answers which is all we want.

It is possible you could be the new Oracle on here and this opportunity should NOT be missed.

I hope this is not asking too much of you and hope you will take up this mantle. Will you?
Cyclingfan

San Francisco, CA

#50 Sep 7, 2012
Lance doped we all knew that, anyone who has done serious cycling know that . Those LaNCE RESULTS ARE HUMANLY IMPOSSIBLE WITHOUT OUTSIDE HELP AND BEYOND.
Gus

Vancouver, Canada

#51 Sep 7, 2012
Cyclingfan wrote:
Lance doped we all knew that, anyone who has done serious cycling know that . Those LaNCE RESULTS ARE HUMANLY IMPOSSIBLE WITHOUT OUTSIDE HELP AND BEYOND.
...sorry,but you're full of S-H-I-T !!!:-)
GeeMan

Newport, UK

#52 Sep 7, 2012
Cyclefan Im sure ypouapprciate the featswere actually achieved and every decade that passes new fetas are achieved and those who dont take PED's get to the same level as yesteryear and the cycle (pardon the pun) goes on!

People are getting bigger, taller, stronger, aster, fitter and undoubtably with PED better still although it is as read elsewhere to do with endurance and recovery and not take time off natural ability as some sprinters dont benefit from them but if the Peleton is going faster and faster as it is now and will continue they also need better endurance to get to the finish in a bunch for he sprint! Vicious circle.

I also remember Greg Lemond say the same as not humanly possible which was the same as the French said when he Fignon in the last day with a World Record TT. If Greg can do why not others or was he also n PED's or his 3 DF winsan World Record TT.

No matter how you measure Armstrong was th best.

At the moment the French are accusing Team SKY and Team GB of having an unfair advantage which is the same as PED's without actually saying it.

David Braillesford stated he would get a clean GB Rider to win the TDF within 5 years. he did it in 3 years whilst taking 1 and 2 in the TDF (Wiggins and Froome), World Champion (Cav), Olympic TT Gold and Bronze (Wiggings and Froome) and what could have been ALL Gold on the Track had they not had some bad luck but they did take almost all of them along with new WR times.

Marginal gains across many areas of the Team on and off the track and road was stated as the reason why.
The French say SKY have the biggest budget eve seen in Cycling and are cheating, SKY say no.

Guess who will be the new Big Fish Targets!!!
My Opinion_El Paso_Texas

United States

#53 Sep 7, 2012
inheatwillyoucheat wrote:
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I think it was Tyler Hamilton who I heard today on ESPN radio say it was easy to get sucked into the world of doping as a YOUNG rider. YOUNG or not as wise & experienced might very well succumb to the peer pressure to dope. It's almost like this is what the veterans on the tour looked for/wanted. It's sorta like the movie Training Day where they test the new guy to see how far they'll go. You find it in all professions to a degree where many try to dirty up the clean as a test and to make themselves feel 'normal'.
It all comes down to do the ends justify the means, especially with alot of money and fame at stake.
I believe that Jonathan Vaughters in his recent piece where he admitted to doping while he was a rider as well helps to explain the problems that many of the riders have to face.

Last year I watched a documentry where one brother filmed his two other brothers who were weight lifters and how they got entangled with steroids. One brother was finally able to break away from the drugs, but the other one was still using them as he wanted to become great.

All of our countries are competitive and that sometimes can actually become quite addictive.
My Opinion_El Paso_Texas

United States

#54 Sep 7, 2012
GeeMan wrote:
Cyclefan Im sure ypouapprciate the featswere actually achieved and every decade that passes new fetas are achieved and those who dont take PED's get to the same level as yesteryear and the cycle (pardon the pun) goes on!
People are getting bigger, taller, stronger, aster, fitter and undoubtably with PED better still although it is as read elsewhere to do with endurance and recovery and not take time off natural ability as some sprinters dont benefit from them but if the Peleton is going faster and faster as it is now and will continue they also need better endurance to get to the finish in a bunch for he sprint! Vicious circle.
I also remember Greg Lemond say the same as not humanly possible which was the same as the French said when he Fignon in the last day with a World Record TT. If Greg can do why not others or was he also n PED's or his 3 DF winsan World Record TT.
No matter how you measure Armstrong was th best.
At the moment the French are accusing Team SKY and Team GB of having an unfair advantage which is the same as PED's without actually saying it.
David Braillesford stated he would get a clean GB Rider to win the TDF within 5 years. he did it in 3 years whilst taking 1 and 2 in the TDF (Wiggins and Froome), World Champion (Cav), Olympic TT Gold and Bronze (Wiggings and Froome) and what could have been ALL Gold on the Track had they not had some bad luck but they did take almost all of them along with new WR times.
Marginal gains across many areas of the Team on and off the track and road was stated as the reason why.
The French say SKY have the biggest budget eve seen in Cycling and are cheating, SKY say no.
Guess who will be the new Big Fish Targets!!!
Good write up GeeMan.

Actually Froome and Wiggins are already the Big New Fish Targets and they have been for awhile.

David Brailswood stated that he would not have anyone who who was involved in doping in Team Sky, yet he did hire one doctor (forgot his name) on the staff who had been involved with a team known for doping.

The cycling forums are already reporting that at the beginning Bradley Wiggins was against doping and we all were able to see how he reacted when reporters asked at this year's TDF if he was doping and how he went off on them.

The forums explained that in the beginning of Team Sky Bradley Wiggins was posting all of his blood passport on the web and as of late hasn't been doing that.

They also went on about how Wiggins liked Lance Armstrong and think they may be related in their dealings.

As much as this could be possible points of contention, it is also
quite uneventful as well considering that there is no basis for that believe without real evidence.

For now I believe that Team Sky is doing what they originally planned in doing and wait to see how they progress as many of the cyclists who understand all of the performance values will be able to see if there is any reason for doubting them at Team Sky.
Lance Pharmstrong

Mumbai, India

#55 Sep 8, 2012
Dopestrong!!
Biggest drug cheat never to be caught,
He will walk away innocent now that he has congress backing.This guy is ful of shite.Great American Hero!!!
My Opinion_El Paso_Texas

El Paso, TX

#57 Sep 9, 2012
Lance Pharmstrong wrote:
Dopestrong!!
Biggest drug cheat never to be caught,
He will walk away innocent now that he has congress backing.This guy is ful of shite.Great American Hero!!!
At best it's only speculation that any politician from California is trying to help Lance Armstrong. Considering that many people out there believe that he cheated and doped, I'm not so sure that a politician is going to casue trouble just for him.

With the way that main stream society has been voting, while sending messages as well to the politicians, I'm not sure that any politician today still believes that thew voters in their areas are in thgeir bag.
Athos

Calne, UK

#58 Oct 9, 2012
My Opinion_El Paso_Texas wrote:
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What GUTT INSTINCT may tell about an individual has nothing to do with determining the GUILT or INNOCENCE of that same individual! And whether or not that same individual is the DIRT BAG of the entire world has no barring there as well.
I rely pertinent information in order for making an accurate dignosis, I also do the same once I have seen the evidence as well.
As for knowing the various professional cyclists in depth, all any of us can know is what we've been able to read in the various venues of the news media and hear about from the various cycling commentators.
Seems to me that it might just be you who is the real clueless one!
Oh come on now Harry, you write " rely pertinent information in order for making an accurate dignosis, I also do the same once I have seen the evidence as well."
What just as you did in the Landis case
I am just back from the USA, it seems as if most sports writers and the public believe hin guilty, even my doctor friend

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