Vinokourov Wins Vuelta; Landis Attends

There are 12 comments on the Sep 17, 2006, The Associated Press story titled Vinokourov Wins Vuelta; Landis Attends . In it, The Associated Press reports that:

Alexandre Vinokourov of Kazakhstan won the Spanish Vuelta on Sunday, with Tour de France winner Floyd Landis attending the final stage to support his former teammates.

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Ayan

Harrisonburg, VA

#1 Sep 19, 2006
Super
Raymond

Apt, France

#2 Sep 21, 2006
Clean cyclist
Raymond

Apt, France

#3 Sep 21, 2006
Think! my friends. What can and should unite us all is Sport, cycling in particular. Politics never will.

ALL sportsmen should rise above politics. Just do the right thing. I try to.

Perhaps we should return to the origanal idea of the Olympics. Individual athletes, no flags, no fat polititions claiming credit. Just sport.
Will

Baltimore, MD

#4 Sep 21, 2006
Raymond wrote:
Think! my friends. What can and should unite us all is Sport, cycling in particular. Politics never will.
ALL sportsmen should rise above politics. Just do the right thing. I try to.
Perhaps we should return to the origanal idea of the Olympics. Individual athletes, no flags, no fat polititions claiming credit. Just sport.
Well, my friend, that would also mean no GOVERNMENT SUBSIDIES, no GRANTS, no SUPPORT OF TRAINING FACILITIES, no ASSISTANCE in building Olympic, international or national sports venues or infrastructure support, no PROMOTION or DIRECT SPONSORSHIP (a la US Postal)-- I don't mean to suggest that sport would be WORSE without these things, only that sport would certainly be MUCH DIFFERENT and perhaps less popular than it is today.
ricky rider

AOL

#5 Sep 21, 2006
If it would mean no gasbags (Willieboy) I'd vote for it!!
Will

Baltimore, MD

#6 Sep 21, 2006
..."PERSISTENCE OF MEMORY":

In the thread entitled "Cycling Teams Urge Phonak Suspension, ricky rider on Aug. 24, 2006 stated the following:

ricky rider
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"Okay, Ive been reading all these posts since the hammer came down on Floyd. It's a shame, but it certainly appears that he doped for stage 17....."
Will

Baltimore, MD

#7 Sep 22, 2006
Raymond, don't forget also that the "modern" Olympics began as a pasttime for wealthy dilettantes who were the only ones who could afford such pursuits. I question how many of today's elite athletes could self-finance their training, travel, entrance fees, etc. Endorsements and sponsorships make much of what we think of as modern sports possible and government plays a large role directly and indirectly in these endorsements and sponsorships.
Raymond

Montpellier, France

#8 Sep 22, 2006
OK Will, Your comments are noted. Perhaps I am really just an Amateur. I have raced in the lower pro ranks but mostly as an Amateur.

I question, does the world really need pro sport? What is wrong with sport for the sake of fairly competing and comradeship.

Pro sport is "entertainment" for the masses, most of whom, never par-take. Hence we have situations as now. Perfectly good competitors, in thier own right, are forced by the system, to use any avenue possible to WIN, or to be employable.

It is my opinion that responsible governements provide the facillitys for sport out of general taxation. Clearly, from recent history, Profit and sport do not mix. Perhaps it is a cultural thing.

Most of the people involved in pro sport now, never compete and never will.

Perhaps dope is necessary to satisfy Profit.
Raymond

Montpellier, France

#9 Sep 22, 2006
Its all just sad and in the end counter productive. I rest
Raymond

Montpellier, France

#10 Sep 22, 2006
Goodbye my friends. If you are actively involved in cycling or any other sport,do the right thing, stay clean.
Will

Baltimore, MD

#11 Sep 22, 2006
Raymond wrote:
OK Will, Your comments are noted. Perhaps I am really just an Amateur. I have raced in the lower pro ranks but mostly as an Amateur.
I question, does the world really need pro sport? What is wrong with sport for the sake of fairly competing and comradeship.
Pro sport is "entertainment" for the masses, most of whom, never par-take. Hence we have situations as now. Perfectly good competitors, in thier own right, are forced by the system, to use any avenue possible to WIN, or to be employable.
It is my opinion that responsible governements provide the facillitys for sport out of general taxation. Clearly, from recent history, Profit and sport do not mix. Perhaps it is a cultural thing.
Most of the people involved in pro sport now, never compete and never will.
Perhaps dope is necessary to satisfy Profit.
I am with you, Raymond. My thoughts: sports in general would be better off if more people were PARTICIPANTS and not SPECTATORS; as a consequence, there would be far less of the "pro" sports that you complain about and far more "amateur" sports.

To achieve this you'd have to figure out a way to take the MONEY out, because the money is largely what separates a pro from an amateur; money is a big incentive even for so-called "amateur" collegiate sports here in the US, and there's sports-betting and other factors that bring money into the picture of even amateur athletics, so the best we can probably do in the short term is restrike the BALANCE more in the direction of having less money and more individual participation.

Another piece of the problem as I see it is the over-emphasis on WINNING, so that there needs to be a re-balancing of emphasis on PARTICIPATING and being a GOOD SPORT over the WIN-AT-ANY-COST attitude so rife today.

Tall orders, these...but we need to make starts down these roads to get to a more ideal amateur sport, don't you think?
ricky rider

AOL

#12 Sep 22, 2006
Will wrote:
..."PERSISTENCE OF MEMORY":
In the thread entitled "Cycling Teams Urge Phonak Suspension, ricky rider on Aug. 24, 2006 stated the following:
ricky rider
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"Okay, Ive been reading all these posts since the hammer came down on Floyd. It's a shame, but it certainly appears that he doped for stage 17....."
Okay, Ive been reading all these posts since the hammer came down on Floyd. It's a shame, but it certainly appears that he doped for stage 17. However, in spite of the the bombast of Will, those who are interested in cycling and the truth (not necessarily in that order) ought to quit passing judgment and await the outcome of the judicial process.

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