Cycling's governing body agrees to st...

Cycling's governing body agrees to strip Lance Armstrong of his 7 Tour de France titles

There are 10 comments on the The Washington Post story from Oct 22, 2012, titled Cycling's governing body agrees to strip Lance Armstrong of his 7 Tour de France titles. In it, The Washington Post reports that:

Lance Armstrong was stripped of his seven Tour de France titles and banned for life by cycling's governing body Monday following a report from the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency that accused him of leading a massive doping program on his teams.

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harvey

Columbus, OH

#1 Oct 22, 2012
Sad day for cycling, but I have to admit to a certain amount of satisfaction that this arrogant cheater has finally been exposed and punished. For YEARS he's lied to the entire world, insisting he's innocent, harassing and attacking those who've said otherwise, and now....it's all over.

He may never admit he doped, but we all now know for certain that he did. Doped, covered it up, and lied about it.

It's over, Lance. Might as well own up and throw yourself on the public's mercy. Who knows, they might forgive you.

I won't, but others might...
GeeMan

Broxburn, UK

#2 Oct 22, 2012
I agree it is sad day for cycling but it is just another one to add to all the rest.

Are we at a point when it shall become better or just another day of sadness to be followed by more in the future?
Improvements have happened, or so it seems! So let’s hope new measures shall be applied but that also means all sport.

These Doctors involved also advice on many, many other sports as seen with Ferrari and Fuentes and they make far more than the Athletes so it would be better to treat the source than the symptom.

I posted in another thread that Carlos Sastre appears to be heir apparent for 7 TDF titles but is he just the next BIG winner awaiting disgrace and a new villain.

What you also need to remember is that none of the riders in this case have anything to be proud of and have cheated, lied and basically only came clean when threatened with a spell in jail if the lied and were caught, i.e. Feds investigation.
If that did not happen this would never have seen the light of day.
Regardless of what anyone thinks of Pat he was 100% right when he said that every big doping scandal to date has only came to light with direct Police intervention.

That may be seen as justification for WADA to work outside their rules which is understandable from a frustration point of view for them but it would be easier to just change the rules to suit instead of them breaking them, surely?
Morality applied to one must be equally applied to everything else equally in the same matter or it spirals out of control.
If the ends justify the means for WADA then the same will equally be argued for doping and that is a position we cannot accept.
harvey

Columbus, OH

#3 Oct 22, 2012
GeeMan wrote:
I agree it is sad day for cycling but it is just another one to add to all the rest.
Are we at a point when it shall become better or just another day of sadness to be followed by more in the future?
Improvements have happened, or so it seems! So let’s hope new measures shall be applied but that also means all sport.
These Doctors involved also advice on many, many other sports as seen with Ferrari and Fuentes and they make far more than the Athletes so it would be better to treat the source than the symptom.
I posted in another thread that Carlos Sastre appears to be heir apparent for 7 TDF titles but is he just the next BIG winner awaiting disgrace and a new villain.
What you also need to remember is that none of the riders in this case have anything to be proud of and have cheated, lied and basically only came clean when threatened with a spell in jail if the lied and were caught, i.e. Feds investigation.
If that did not happen this would never have seen the light of day.
Regardless of what anyone thinks of Pat he was 100% right when he said that every big doping scandal to date has only came to light with direct Police intervention.
That may be seen as justification for WADA to work outside their rules which is understandable from a frustration point of view for them but it would be easier to just change the rules to suit instead of them breaking them, surely?
Morality applied to one must be equally applied to everything else equally in the same matter or it spirals out of control.
If the ends justify the means for WADA then the same will equally be argued for doping and that is a position we cannot accept.
Doctors make more than athletes? Really? They make more than multi-millionaire Lance did before he got his contracts cancelled? That's pure BS, I'm afraid. Trying to cast aspersions on doctors or WADA, like trying to get Lance off the hook by whining that 'everybody does it,' is a pretty embarrassing position for you to take IMO.
Gus

Vancouver, Canada

#4 Oct 22, 2012
Keep in mind,he wasn't positive and unless Lance owns up it's still a guessing game albeit LIVESTRONG LANCE,you and only you know the whole truth.The other whingers,well what ca I say?
harvey

Columbus, OH

#5 Oct 22, 2012
Gutless wrote:
Keep in mind,he wasn't positive and unless Lance owns up it's still a guessing game albeit LIVESTRONG LANCE,you and only you know the whole truth.The other whingers,well what ca I say?
Keep saluting the cheater who has been outed by EVERY SINGLE MEMBER OF HIS OWN TEAM, liar.

Armstrong would've been better off if he'd died of cancer. At least then he wouldn't have utterly humiliated himself, the USPS Cycling Team, and America.
Faith

New Baltimore, MI

#6 Oct 22, 2012
harvey wrote:
<quoted text>
Keep saluting the cheater who has been outed by EVERY SINGLE MEMBER OF HIS OWN TEAM, liar.
Armstrong would've been better off if he'd died of cancer. At least then he wouldn't have utterly humiliated himself, the USPS Cycling Team, and America.
I'll stop short of wishing death upon him, but he is a disgrace. Sports mean nothing anymore because of the treachery. The whole Mark Macguire/Sammy Sousa thing was a farce as well. Babe Ruth was staying out until two am, banging hookers and drinking whiskey out of a water glass and then showed up to play. Athletes today are not heroes. They are liars.
harvey

Columbus, OH

#7 Oct 22, 2012
Faith wrote:
<quoted text>I'll stop short of wishing death upon him, but he is a disgrace. Sports mean nothing anymore because of the treachery. The whole Mark Macguire/Sammy Sousa thing was a farce as well. Babe Ruth was staying out until two am, banging hookers and drinking whiskey out of a water glass and then showed up to play. Athletes today are not heroes. They are liars.
I don't WISH death on him, but being a survivor means less if you subsequently embarrass yourself with a horrific public scandal.

We agree, though, on cheating and modern athletes. High five! ;)
GeeMan

Broxburn, UK

#8 Oct 22, 2012
@harvey is 30million Euros OK? What Cyclists you have on that money or other Athletes?

You are also completely unaware of the history of Cycling, its doping culture, 20 out of the lat 21 podium finisher’s dopers or associated to doping, 75% of podiums same in last 30 years.

Maybe there is something in what I am saying then harvey about doping in Cycling that EVERYONE was at it.
Maybe try looking it up. If you struggle let me know and I shall try and help you!!

On humiliating American how do you feel about the whole 1984 Olympic cycling team who were caught blood doping?

What about all the US riders who had established the doping culture at USPS and US Olympic Team BEFORE LA arrived do they also humiliate American. If you want more I will be happy to oblige so you can spread your ill-informed hatred further.

What is your favourite sport Harvey so we can bring you up to date about cheating in that and have some humiliation much closer to what you enjoy watching.

If you don't want to see doping/cheating athletes STOP watching sports!
harvey

Columbus, OH

#9 Oct 23, 2012
GeeMan wrote:
@harvey is 30million Euros OK? What Cyclists you have on that money or other Athletes?
You are also completely unaware of the history of Cycling, its doping culture, 20 out of the lat 21 podium finisher’s dopers or associated to doping, 75% of podiums same in last 30 years.
Maybe there is something in what I am saying then harvey about doping in Cycling that EVERYONE was at it.
Maybe try looking it up. If you struggle let me know and I shall try and help you!!
On humiliating American how do you feel about the whole 1984 Olympic cycling team who were caught blood doping?
What about all the US riders who had established the doping culture at USPS and US Olympic Team BEFORE LA arrived do they also humiliate American. If you want more I will be happy to oblige so you can spread your ill-informed hatred further.
What is your favourite sport Harvey so we can bring you up to date about cheating in that and have some humiliation much closer to what you enjoy watching.
If you don't want to see doping/cheating athletes STOP watching sports!
Let's go over this, you obnoxious trolling moron.

I'm very aware that doping has a long history in cycling. Unlike you, I ABHOR that history and hope that Lance's humiliation leads to changes which make doping a thing of the past. You seem OK with it, for some reason.

I KNOW "everyone was at it," pinhead. I've never once denied that.

I'm not talking about the 1984 Olympic Team or anyone else. Just Lance. Again, an evasion on your part, though the purpose is hard to understand. Just more of your "everyone's doing it" approach, I guess.

No idea what your claims that I'm "ill-informed" mean. What am I "ill-informed" about in relation to my argument, which is that doping is bad and should be eliminated from the sport? Hmmm?

Other sports don't enter into the discussion. Again, more evasion from you to no purpose.

I have no intention of stopping my viewing of sports, and I WILL continue to insist on anti-doping rules and their enforcement. You can wallow in your love for doping, doped athletes, and fake performances all you like. You're part of the problem, not part of the solution.

I feel sorry for you. You're nothing but a loser and a troll.
GeeMan

Edinburgh, UK

#10 Oct 24, 2012
harvey

Lets try and take all your garbage away and see what you are really made of.

You want clean sports and will not insisting otherwise, OK?

How do you think Cycling can be cleaned up?

I genuinely want to know if have any ideas how to achieve the utopia you seek. You make crass statements about posts so lets see your inteligence, reasoning and objectivity.

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