Star Cyclist Fails Doping Test at Tour

Star Cyclist Fails Doping Test at Tour

There are 78 comments on the The Associated Press story from Jul 24, 2007, titled Star Cyclist Fails Doping Test at Tour . In it, The Associated Press reports that:

Cycling and its premier event, the Tour de France, were reeling Tuesday from yet another blow that threatened what was left of the event's credibility: a failed doping test by one of its biggest stars.

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“Carpe Diem”

Since: Mar 07

Bristol UK

#61 Aug 27, 2007
To you two. Try reading all of my posts, and then make a decision! Try the ones about the Family problem that MOEP has had with his family.
Perhaps you should enlighten them MOEP

“The truth will set you free...”

Since: Jul 07

Lisbon

#62 Aug 28, 2007
Not the way of leading a conversation.

“crystelZENmud”

Since: Jan 07

Reality City

#63 Aug 29, 2007
Dr Todd (precociously typed)!

This is an OFF-topix Story for you:

My landlord, André, is 86 years old, has a big old beautiful English Sheepdog...

For the second time in 10 years,'Junior' came down into my apartment to visit (unaccompanied). Only an hour earlier, he'd been looking bad on the steps, above, and André mumbled about his post-op problems...

Well I tried to carry him (big dog) back up the garden steps, and YAOW did he shriek!

Next thing I knew, I was screamin' in FR for André and his housekeeper to bring me ALL the paper towels in the world... his infection blew, and I had to massage and wipe up GEYSERS of pus, about 1.5 standard wine-glasses (MOeP? I bet it's only ONE glass in Texas, where 'everuhthin' is bigger)[smile] full, and then clean/shampoo his wound.

We put about 30 paper towels in the bag to take to the vet...

Later, André came down for a dinner in the garden, and he repeated, very gratefully, that the Vet said "Your tenant did a VERY GOOD thing, good work!" and bringing him there (he ran a 42°C temperature, I think dogs are normally 39°C??) in time, to kick the infection (perhaps due to an un-removed suture - from a tumour op two months ago!) with antibiotics...

So André broke out the '99 St. Etephe (?) Bordeaux Grand Cru... and we toasted ex-Raft Guides with some 1st AID competence...

I am guilty of nasty REPLIES to attax on my competence, or motives, or reading... I am trying to ZENify... glad you reminded us :-))

ZENjd
Todd wrote:
I just sat at my computer (when I should be studying for my first Preventitive Medicine exam on thursday) for a few minutes trying to ponder a way to persuade to discourage the few out there that insult people on this fora and can't. It saddens me to think that anyone should take any of this so personally as to attack someone else or their family.
I think it sucks that people approach email, forums, etc...with no sense of accountability or responsibility.
Sad in Colorado,
Todd

“I Love Life, People & Animals”

Since: Feb 07

El Paso, Texas

#64 Aug 29, 2007
My wife having been a veterinary tech said that you did a good service on your landlord's Sheep dog ZENman.

No matter the size of a glass ZENman, when puss blows out, it's a messy affair in nay language or country.

Cheers ZENmedic

“crystelZENmud”

Since: Jan 07

Reality City

#65 Sep 11, 2007
Todd must be studyin'...

Dog looks better now: I'll have to blog a photo of 'Junior'(FR, its: ZhewniiiORR' or something)

ZENback2work

“I Love Life, People & Animals”

Since: Feb 07

El Paso, Texas

#66 Sep 11, 2007
ZENmud wrote:
Todd must be studyin'...
Dog looks better now: I'll have to blog a photo of 'Junior'(FR, its: ZhewniiiORR' or something)
ZENback2work
Glad to hear that he's looking better.

Cheers

“The truth will set you free...”

Since: Jul 07

Lisbon

#67 Sep 12, 2007
I checked the forums... and no one seems to care about the Vuelta !!!

Mr. McQuaid, Mr. Prudhomme, Mr. Rogge... wake up !!!

“crystelZENmud”

Since: Jan 07

Reality City

#68 Sep 12, 2007
I could be watching it right now, but am splitting time tween work and 'Topixing'...

Menchov! Nice ride Sunday...

ZENRiojaVille

“I Love Life, People & Animals”

Since: Feb 07

El Paso, Texas

#69 Sep 13, 2007
mogwai73 wrote:
I checked the forums... and no one seems to care about the Vuelta !!!
Mr. McQuaid, Mr. Prudhomme, Mr. Rogge... wake up !!!
Actually Hyug, it looks like many of the various forums have died out. Think everyone has become disgusted with waiting for the ARB's dicision on Floyd Landis.

Cheers Mate

“The truth will set you free...”

Since: Jul 07

Lisbon

#70 Sep 14, 2007
I can only read "the decision is expected next week..." or "next friday" or "next whatever"...

So, now we have a 2007 TdF champion but no 2006 TdF champion... and what about 1996 ?!... Is Bjarne Riis still going to be considered the winner although he won't figure with the Tour greats ?!?!...

“I Love Life, People & Animals”

Since: Feb 07

El Paso, Texas

#71 Sep 14, 2007
mogwai73 wrote:
I can only read "the decision is expected next week..." or "next friday" or "next whatever"...
So, now we have a 2007 TdF champion but no 2006 TdF champion... and what about 1996 ?!... Is Bjarne Riis still going to be considered the winner although he won't figure with the Tour greats ?!?!...
Lets not forget about the ASO not wanting and not allowing Bjarne Riis in coming to the 2007 TDF with the CSC team, while they allowed seld-admitting doper Erik Zabel to race there.

Cheers Hyug

“crystelZENmud”

Since: Jan 07

Reality City

#72 Sep 14, 2007
Nobody mentioning Jan Ullrich's 25k Euro payment to Dr Fuentes in 2004????

If he'd given me 24 thou in Euros, I'd have kicked him of his bad training habits (very 'Continental' at that...), and his 'perversion'...

Staring at Lance's ASS on EVERY climb...

ZENcoulda

“The truth will set you free...”

Since: Jul 07

Lisbon

#73 Sep 14, 2007
In 2004 (and other years), Lance must also have been on some aditives... like Rasmussen in 2007. The fact is that no one ever caught them.

It's seems strange (especially in Lance's career) that he would never ever have a bad day... or Rasmussen who could always and repeatedly respond to everyone's attacks... too strange for me !!!

Back in 2004, if Jan paid someone for anything... it wasn't good at all as it was his only time outside the podium !!!

“Carpe Diem”

Since: Mar 07

Bristol UK

#74 Sep 14, 2007
ZENmud wrote:
Nobody mentioning Jan Ullrich's 25k Euro payment to Dr Fuentes in 2004????
If he'd given me 24 thou in Euros, I'd have kicked him of his bad training habits (very 'Continental' at that...), and his 'perversion'...
Staring at Lance's ASS on EVERY climb...
ZENcoulda
If he'd given you 24 thou in Euros, You could have sent something to the FL fund. Naa, no chance of that, let the buga sweat it out.

“crystelZENmud”

Since: Jan 07

Reality City

#75 Sep 14, 2007
I don't believe that, mogwai...(Lance)

For your second sentence, you're pretty well admitting that a lot of labs can't do testing, if 'they didn't get caught' is your premise...

And thirdly, Lance DID have a bad day, on the Col de Joux-Plane (guess who was there, watching Virenque blow by him??? yup (Smile))... was that 2001, or 2000? I really don't care to go Google it for the time it takes to confirm this for you: it's 18h00 in Europe, and I'm goin up the country, didn't you want to goooooooo?

ZENout
mogwai73 wrote:
In 2004 (and other years), Lance must also have been on some aditives... like Rasmussen in 2007. The fact is that no one ever caught them.
It's seems strange (especially in Lance's career) that he would never ever have a bad day... or Rasmussen who could always and repeatedly respond to everyone's attacks... too strange for me !!!
Back in 2004, if Jan paid someone for anything... it wasn't good at all as it was his only time outside the podium !!!

“I Love Life, People & Animals”

Since: Feb 07

El Paso, Texas

#76 Sep 14, 2007
Athos wrote:
<quoted text>If he'd given you 24 thou in Euros, You could have sent something to the FL fund. Naa, no chance of that, let the buga sweat it out.
Since you feel so strongly about cheating and dopping in cycling Chris, have you contributed any money to the following:

UCI
WADA
British Cycling Federation

“The truth will set you free...”

Since: Jul 07

Lisbon

#77 Sep 17, 2007
Yes, Lance had a couple of bad days... in 7 years. Before he was diagnosed with cancer he had several bad days and he was a good cyclist already.

I believe his motivation was a huge factor, but I think there was always an extra factor.

And I'm sure that today (and in the future), there will always be processes and substances beyond what's defined as banned... it's always going to be a rat & cat game.

It is now likely to be proved that Jan Ullrich paid Eufemiano Fuentes a quantity of money and that his blood was in fact in the spanish clinic, which means that either he doped or he was going to in 2006... I still can't believe it. I still (want to) believe in Jan's words.

Cycling has been dead since the summer of 2005.

“crystelZENmud”

Since: Jan 07

Reality City

#78 Sep 19, 2007
Uhhhh-whaaa???

Hypothetically: IF Lance did dope, and if a) science hadn't caught up to his particular 'cocktail', to put on the Prohib.Substance list, b) someone in France 'knew' this to be true, THEN...

We could understand the motivations in France to conjure up the phoney 'research' in 2004-5, which allowed WADA to rail against UCI to 'bust Lance', which was refuted by Emile Vrijman's independent UCI-sponsored report...

But THAT is not the way to find Lance guilty...

ZENsame

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