Tour warns Armstrong over testing

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'The rules are much more strict than they were before' 'Suspicion has followed Lance Armstrong since 1999' Christian Prudhomme during this year's Tour de France.

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Raymond

Pont-de-beauvoisin, France

#21 Sep 19, 2008
Of course there is always a bottom line.

Any cyclist who does not accept the conditions of competing in the TDF (including lad testing) can just stay away. Simple as that.

“I Love Life, People & Animals”

Since: Feb 07

El Paso, Texas

#22 Sep 20, 2008
1. A rider needs a team to race with.(B&W)

2. A rider may get tested for doping.(B&W)

3. A rider who wins a stage or a racing event will get tested for doping.(B&W)

All riders have to follow the rules.(B&W)

Not all organizations follow the rules.(B&W)

Now we're beginning to see some real problems here.(B&W)

“I Love Life, People & Animals”

Since: Feb 07

El Paso, Texas

#23 Sep 20, 2008
Simple Solutions for Solving This Problem

1. Test "ALL" riders for doping.

2. Have "ALL" organizations folow the rules.

Simple & Black & White!

“crystelZENmud”

Since: Jan 07

Reality City

#24 Sep 23, 2008
Any lab which does not accept the conditions of 'proper lab analysis, documentation and results (confidentiality) management' for analysing TdF A and B Samples can just stay away. Simple as that.

Works like a mirror, n'est-il pas vrai?

ZENoui!
Raymond wrote:
Of course there is always a bottom line.
Any cyclist who does not accept the conditions of competing in the TDF (including lad testing) can just stay away. Simple as that.

“I Love Life, People & Animals”

Since: Feb 07

El Paso, Texas

#25 Sep 23, 2008
ZENmud wrote:
Any lab which does not accept the conditions of 'proper lab analysis, documentation and results (confidentiality) management' for analysing TdF A and B Samples can just stay away. Simple as that.
Works like a mirror, n'est-il pas vrai?
ZENoui!
<quoted text>
Makes sense ZENman. But, maybe that was too simple for WADA to wrap themselves around with. It definitely looked like it was too simple for the ASO, AFLD, and LNDD to grasp. Even the UCI didn't seem able to grasp such simple logic.

Raymond and Chris certainly proved that they weren't able to grasp it.

So simple, yet too far for some...

“crystelZENmud”

Since: Jan 07

Reality City

#26 Sep 25, 2008
I believe I 'know' who Raymond's cousin is...

But if I say it,'Sarko's Narcos' will come after me...(tongue in cheek)

ZENhehheh

“I Love Life, People & Animals”

Since: Feb 07

El Paso, Texas

#27 Sep 26, 2008
ZENmud wrote:
I believe I 'know' who Raymond's cousin is...
But if I say it,'Sarko's Narcos' will come after me...(tongue in cheek)
ZENhehheh
Actually by now it really doesn't matter who Raymonds cousin is. If the ASO had been serious about kicking out riders caught or admitting to doping, than they would have kicked everyone involved out.

But, they chose the road of double standards in the slection of who they allowed back in and not allowed in. That isn't sportsmanship. So, Raymond continues with his flag waving.

Cheers
Raymond

Petit-bourg, Guadeloupe

#29 Sep 26, 2008
ZENmud wrote:
Any lab which does not accept the conditions of 'proper lab analysis, documentation and results (confidentiality) management' for analysing TdF A and B Samples can just stay away. Simple as that.
Works like a mirror, n'est-il pas vrai?
ZENoui!
<quoted text>
Not at all, no mirrors, no fuss, just the TRUTH.

I recall your detribe, to ignore the tdf. So why don't you just SHUT UP? Dopers friend.
Raymond

Petit-bourg, Guadeloupe

#30 Sep 26, 2008
My Opinion_El Paso_TX wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually by now it really doesn't matter who Raymonds cousin is. If the ASO had been serious about kicking out riders caught or admitting to doping, than they would have kicked everyone involved out.
But, they chose the road of double standards in the slection of who they allowed back in and not allowed in. That isn't sportsmanship. So, Raymond continues with his flag waving.
Cheers
Now, MoeP. Flag waveing, Moi! this is a USA fed thread, "still" trying to "make excuses", "excuse", An AMERICAN convicted performance enhancing drug user! Give me a break. You know everything about FLAG WAVING. ITS an AMERICAN DISEACE. Or is it really about, "My Country, right or wrong" So sad.
Raymond

Petit-bourg, Guadeloupe

#31 Sep 26, 2008
ZENmud wrote:
I believe I 'know' who Raymond's cousin is...
But if I say it,'Sarko's Narcos' will come after me...(tongue in cheek)
ZENhehheh
Hey Zen,(tongue in cheek) you have no problem in suisse. Sarco might come after me, in France! As for my cousin, he continues to offer sound advice on all aspects of healthy dope free cycling. Amateur and pro. For the sport, there are only two options. The best, NOBODY dopes and the worst, EVERYBODY dopes. Anybody who breaks the BEST option is just a cheat, but, please, not a sportsman. Regards Raymond
Lanced Nugget

Denver, CO

#32 Sep 26, 2008
I'd give my left nut ....uh oh....I don't have one
Raymond

Petit-bourg, Guadeloupe

#33 Sep 26, 2008
Thank you, my American?/Canadian? friends for your "judgement" on my posts. Bit childish though. LOL
Raymond

Petit-bourg, Guadeloupe

#34 Sep 26, 2008
Sorry about my above comment. It should have read. No interlect so an anonymous reply. You do amuse.

“I Love Life, People & Animals”

Since: Feb 07

El Paso, Texas

#35 Sep 26, 2008
Raymond wrote:
<quoted text>
Now, MoeP. Flag waveing, Moi! this is a USA fed thread, "still" trying to "make excuses", "excuse", An AMERICAN convicted performance enhancing drug user! Give me a break. You know everything about FLAG WAVING. ITS an AMERICAN DISEACE. Or is it really about, "My Country, right or wrong" So sad.
No flag waving on my part Raymond. Good try there Raymond.

Me making excuses, Hell No. But, I did take the time in researching that particular drug testing process for myself understanding. I found three independent European research groups who reported that that test was still too new and unpredictable or unreliable to a thorough test result.

That was three "European" research groups. NO US research groups anywhere in that situation.

So Raymond, me thinks that tis you who is WAVING the FLAG!!!

As for my country Right or Wrong. I have no problem admitting that we have problems and I have done so many times.

Tis you Amigo who seems unwilling to see the time of day of problems there in France related to ASO and LNDD.

I do believe that LNDD may well have cleaned up their act and improved their testing proceedures thanks to the Floyd Landis case. So, I see that the final outcome may well have been for the far greater good.

Cheers Raymond

“crystelZENmud”

Since: Jan 07

Reality City

#36 Sep 30, 2008
My use of 'mirrors' was NOT 'smoke and mirrors', mon cher, it was 'mirroring' your sentence... putting your constant "sh/tty-lab" loyalty against my 'dopers friend' loyalty...

And frankly, I like where I am, and I forgive your misinterpretation... but since the evidence is clear, clearer than the CAS verdict...

don't forget that Bordeaux is dope, if you're driving...

ZENstraighterHigher
Raymond wrote:
<quoted text>
Not at all, no mirrors, no fuss, just the TRUTH.
I recall your detribe, to ignore the tdf. So why don't you just SHUT UP? Dopers friend.

“crystelZENmud”

Since: Jan 07

Reality City

#37 Sep 30, 2008
Maybe Raymond's cousin just got his son off from a hit-and-run incident in 2005?

If others do not know that to which I refer: the President of France, whose 22 yr old son was miraculously elected to a high municipal function in the same chi-chi suburb of Paris as were cher Papa Nico's career started, and who 'WITHOUT any MEDIA' just married the richest (available?) daughter (of the Darty company, a huge TdF sponsor and a small-time Media-Market clone operation) about three weeks ago, for SOME UNKNOWN (heh heh) reason, had a three year (would by any chance his prosecution have been conveniently DELAYED so as not to affect Papa's running for le Pres de la France?) old charge of hit-n-run (although it's hard to see how scooter-Boy, hitting a car, brought on such a long-duration case)???

Don't forget where the phrase 'it's not what you know, it's WHO you know' was born... heh heh...

Raymond is like US Republicans: IF they sling any insult on anyone, it's 'damage control' to prevent that insult coming back on them... another aspect of the word 'MIRROR', n'est pas mon vieux?

ZENheh
Raymond wrote:
<quoted text>
Now, MoeP. Flag waveing, Moi! this is a USA fed thread, "still" trying to "make excuses", "excuse", An AMERICAN convicted performance enhancing drug user! Give me a break. You know everything about FLAG WAVING. ITS an AMERICAN DISEACE. Or is it really about, "My Country, right or wrong" So sad.

“I Love Life, People & Animals”

Since: Feb 07

El Paso, Texas

#38 Sep 30, 2008
So, Paris and Washington, DC are more and more alike afterall. So, they both have similar inhabitants (politicians) who do what they want without any regard to the citizens they serve. And they all have children they haven't taught any lessons of morality and values to.

As for your thoughts on the Democrats vs the Republicans--both parties have long gone from the track that they once ran and worked on.

Cheers

“crystelZENmud”

Since: Jan 07

Reality City

#39 Oct 1, 2008
I misspoke above: DARTY is a massive sponsor of the FR2/3 TV coverage of the Tour de France... their little honking horn commercial starts every afternoon's Live coverage...

ZENcorrected4raymond

“crystelZENmud”

Since: Jan 07

Reality City

#40 Oct 1, 2008
Think of it this way.

Paris, and the media that have never not supported Sarkozy, have learned great lessons from the US treatment of Bush (who IMHO is protected from any scrutiny on the major networks)

zenGone
My Opinion_El Paso_TX wrote:
So, Paris and Washington, DC are more and more alike afterall. So, they both have similar inhabitants (politicians) who do what they want without any regard to the citizens they serve. And they all have children they haven't taught any lessons of morality and values to.
As for your thoughts on the Democrats vs the Republicans--both parties have long gone from the track that they once ran and worked on.
Cheers

“I Love Life, People & Animals”

Since: Feb 07

El Paso, Texas

#41 Oct 1, 2008
ZENmud wrote:
Think of it this way.
Paris, and the media that have never not supported Sarkozy, have learned great lessons from the US treatment of Bush (who IMHO is protected from any scrutiny on the major networks)
zenGone
<quoted text>
Or did the US learn that from the countries there in Europe? After all, their history is much older than that of the United States.

There are far more similarities than differences between all of the western countries today, even if some refuse to admit it.

The same goes for all the people around the world. I was able to see that when I was twelve years old. But, than I had already learned a lot of the history of Europe, especially Eastern Europe by than and still do so.

Cheers Amigos

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