Che Guevara still inspires, four decades after death

Oct 4, 2007 Full story: Mail & Guardian 85

“Pioneers for communism, we will be like Che.”

Regulars Interact Havana, Cuba 04 October 2007 08:14 Forty years after the death of Ernesto "Che" Guevara, the turbulent life of Cuba's revolutionary hero continues to inspire films and books, while his stoic ... via Mail & Guardian

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santiago

Cape Coral, FL

#1 Oct 4, 2007
We have see more in Che`s favor so far than against Che........let`s wait for the Castro ERA to finally pass to see how much more against and in favor of Che will came out of shadow!!!!!!!!!!
So far about the cold blooded killer Che have not came out o much for obvius reason....let`s wait a little bit more..Castro is almost dead..........

“CUBA Y PUERTO RICO HERMANOS”

Since: Dec 06

San Juan,Puerto Rico

#2 Oct 4, 2007
santiago wrote:
We have see more in Che`s favor so far than against Che........let`s wait for the Castro ERA to finally pass to see how much more against and in favor of Che will came out of shadow!!!!!!!!!!
So far about the cold blooded killer Che have not came out o much for obvius reason....let`s wait a little bit more..Castro is almost dead..........
Well said!

“America la bella!!”

Since: Jan 07

que Dios te bendiga

#3 Oct 4, 2007
Yes, Che.... inspires Death, Massacres, Persecution from the Goverment in Cuba to the Citizens in Cuba!!! Hell with Che!!!!

“CUBA Y PUERTO RICO HERMANOS”

Since: Dec 06

San Juan,Puerto Rico

#4 Oct 4, 2007
Marie in Miami Fl wrote:
Yes, Che.... inspires Death, Massacres, Persecution from the Goverment in Cuba to the Citizens in Cuba!!! Hell with Che!!!!
A mi me inspira ASCO Y DESPRECIO!HA SIDO LA RATA MAS COBARDE E INMUNDA DEL SIGLO XX!

“LIGER OMNI PRIME”

Since: Sep 07

WHEREVER FREEDOM DWELLS

#5 Oct 4, 2007
santiago wrote:
We have see more in Che`s favor so far than against Che........let`s wait for the Castro ERA to finally pass to see how much more against and in favor of Che will came out of shadow!!!!!!!!!!
So far about the cold blooded killer Che have not came out o much for obvius reason....let`s wait a little bit more..Castro is almost dead..........
I agree, WELL SAID!

“**** JOHN VIS ******* ”

Since: Sep 07

"bringin the heat"

#6 Oct 4, 2007
The guevera bannanas are O.K. but Chiquita still has the best ones, freshest too

“CUBA Y PUERTO RICO HERMANOS”

Since: Dec 06

San Juan,Puerto Rico

#7 Oct 4, 2007
Read all of this, it is interesting!!
Read down to the very bottom highlighted in green , IT'LL GIVE YOU GOOSEBUMPS!!!
You don't want to miss this!((*_*))

VERY INTERESTING-

1. The Garden of Eden was in Iraq

2. Mesopotamia, which is now Iraq, was the cradle of civilization!

3. Noah built the ark in Iraq

4. The Tower of Babel was in Iraq

5. Abraham was from Ur, which is in Southern Iraq !

6. Isaac's wife Rebekah is from Nahor, which is in Iraq !

7. Jacob met Rachel in Iraq

8. Jonah preached in Nineveh - which is in Iraq

9. Assyria, which is in Iraq, conquered the ten tribes of Israel

10. Amos cried out in Iraq !

11 Babylon, which is in Iraq, destroyed Jerusalem

12. Daniel was in the lion's den in Iraq !

13. The three Hebrew children were in the fire in Iraq (Jesus had been in Iraq also as the fourth person in the Fiery Furnace!)

14. Belshazzar, the King of Babylon saw the 'writing on the wall' in Iraq

15. Nebuchadnezzar, King of Babylon, carried the Jews captive into Iraq

16. Ezekiel preached in Iraq ..

17. The wise men were from Iraq .

18. Peter preached in Iraq .


19. The 'Empire of Man' described in Revelation is called Babylon , which was a city in Iraq !

And you have probably seen this one: Israel is the nation most often mentioned in the Bible.
But do you know which nation is second?
It is Iraq !
However, that is not the name that is used in the Bible.

The names used in the Bible are Babylon , Land of Shinar , and Mesopotamia ... The word Mesopotamia means between the two rivers, more exactly between the Tigris

And Euphrates Rivers .

The name Iraq, means country with deep roots.

Indeed Iraq is a country with deep roots and is a very significant country in the Bible.

No other nation, except Israel , has more history and prophecy associated
With it than Iraq

And also, This is something to think about: Since America is typically represented by an eagle.

Saddam should have read up on his Muslim passages ...

The following verse is from the Koran,(the Islamic Bible)

Koran ( 9:11 )- For it is written that a son of Arabia would awaken a fearsome Eagle.. The wrath of the Eagle would be felt throughout the lands of Allah and lo, while some of the people trembled in despair still more rejoiced; for the wrath of the Eagle cleansed the lands of Allah;

And there was peace.
(Note the verse number!) Hmmmmmmm?!

I BETTER NOT HEAR OF ANYONE BREAKING THIS ONE OR SEE IT DELETED.
This is a ribbon for soldiers fighting in Iraq.
Pass it on to everyone and pray.
Something good will happen to you tonight at 11:11 PM.
This is not a joke.
Someone will either call you or will talk to you online and say that they love you.
Do not break this chain.

Send this to 13 people in

The next 15 minutes.
Go.
peter

Miami, FL

#8 Oct 4, 2007

Since: Oct 07

United States

#9 Oct 4, 2007
peter wrote:
http://www.therealcuba.com/Mur deredbyChe.htm
Thank you for sharing this link.
Excellent.
Hope everybody will see it and read it.

“CUBA Y PUERTO RICO HERMANOS”

Since: Dec 06

San Juan,Puerto Rico

#10 Oct 4, 2007
Krampus wrote:
<quoted text>
Thank you for sharing this link.
Excellent.
Hope everybody will see it and read it.
Yes,it is time to expose that butcher.Just a murderer and a coward!
-scottC-

United States

#11 Oct 4, 2007
Surah 9 iat 11 of the Quran translated into English

But (even so) if they repent
establish regular prayers
and practice regular charity--
They are your bretheren in faith
Thus do we explain the signs
In detail, for those who understand.

This is in a section on hypocrites

9 They signs of God
they've sold for a miserable price,
and they've hindered many from His way
Evil indeed are the deeds they have done.

10 They respect not
the ties either of kinship
or of covenant in belivers
it is they who have transgressed all bounds

11 but even so, if they repent,
establish regular prayers and regular charity
they are your brothers in faith
(thus) do we explain the signs
in detail, for those who understand.

12 But if they violate their oaths
after their covenant
and taunt you for your faith--
Fight ye the chiefs of unfaith
for their oaths are nothing to them
that therefore they must be restrained

13 Will you not fight people
who violated their oaths
plotted to expel the messenger
and took agression
by being the first to assault you?
Do you fear them? No,
It is God whom you should
more justly fear if you believe.

Funny that you would completely fabricate a Quranic verse. Ironic that verse happens to call out those who would mock Him and who are hypocrites. I can tell you that the only justifiable fighting in Islam is defensive. Elsewhere in the Quran it says that if they seek peace you have no justification to fight them. That you may not fight those not fighting you.

there is a footnote to the word repent in the 11th Iat, "The chance of repentance and mercy to the worst enemies is again emphasized, in order that people with any understanding may not be misled into thinking that war was an easy or light matter.(unlike the neocons, or you who say that you would rather see your Cuban brothers starve before opening trade with Castro. Why this is good for the Chinese and not for your own country is fair evidence that you harbor irrational anger and hatred that has poisoned your soul.)
-scottC-

United States

#12 Oct 4, 2007
I rather like the idea that South America should be for the South Americans. I think that if I were Mestiso I would want this. I think that when the US tries to steal the resources of these people it is wrong. I wonder about Cuban exiles, like Israeli's may be so poisoned they're the last we should consult on our Cuba policy.

The best way to destabilize Castro would be to open trade with Cuba. We've adopted this policy toward China which is far more a threat to this country than little Cuba, Venuseula or the Middle East. It is telling that you would stoop to publishing lies, easily discernable lies at that.

You've lost all objectivity and all perspective. Do you know what the Platt Amendment was? Enacted in 1905 it basically stated that all Cuban international and domestic policy had to run through Washington. We enacted Jim Crow like laws to try to keep nationalists from voting in Cuba. But those Cubans continued to vote in ways Washington disliked. So we repeatedly had to replace their elected officials with American puppets. Bautista was the last of these. Castro arose out of this poisoned atmosphere. This is the result of our meddling in the affairs of other nations. So, I don't like Castro, nor was Bautista acceptible. I support Cuba for Cubans. But the US couldn't keep her hands off.

If you reject this, you are a traitor to Cuba, and truly a traitor to democracy and the American Ideal espoused in the Dec. of Independence. Please, do some more study. If you really care about Cuba, you will come back with a bit more nuance.

“CUBA Y PUERTO RICO HERMANOS”

Since: Dec 06

San Juan,Puerto Rico

#13 Oct 4, 2007
-scottC- wrote:
I rather like the idea that South America should be for the South Americans. I think that if I were Mestiso I would want this. I think that when the US tries to steal the resources of these people it is wrong. I wonder about Cuban exiles, like Israeli's may be so poisoned they're the last we should consult on our Cuba policy.
The best way to destabilize Castro would be to open trade with Cuba. We've adopted this policy toward China which is far more a threat to this country than little Cuba, Venuseula or the Middle East. It is telling that you would stoop to publishing lies, easily discernable lies at that.
You've lost all objectivity and all perspective. Do you know what the Platt Amendment was? Enacted in 1905 it basically stated that all Cuban international and domestic policy had to run through Washington. We enacted Jim Crow like laws to try to keep nationalists from voting in Cuba. But those Cubans continued to vote in ways Washington disliked. So we repeatedly had to replace their elected officials with American puppets. Bautista was the last of these. Castro arose out of this poisoned atmosphere. This is the result of our meddling in the affairs of other nations. So, I don't like Castro, nor was Bautista acceptible. I support Cuba for Cubans. But the US couldn't keep her hands off.
If you reject this, you are a traitor to Cuba, and truly a traitor to democracy and the American Ideal espoused in the Dec. of Independence. Please, do some more study. If you really care about Cuba, you will come back with a bit more nuance.
I know the Platt amendment and it was NOT enacted in 1905 as you said,it was enacted in 1902,I also agree with you that it was shameful and wrong American policy against Cuban sovereignty!But it doesn't justifies a 48 dictatorship with a failed system,the Communist system ,a system that History has proven to be a failure even at its cradle... Russia and there were no American embargo in Russia,but it failed anyway!We support Cuba for the Cubans of course.A new free ,independent and democratic Cuba.A new Cuba without Castro's dictatorship and independent from any other country of the world,but with excellent relation with all the democratic countries of the world,including the USA....of course!
-scottC-

United States

#14 Oct 4, 2007
You confuse the Spanish American War with the Platt Amend. The Sp. Am. War was launched in 1903 no? We decided to liberate the Cubans once we heard, on the down low, that Spain was leaving. We then decided to free Cuba. You may be right about the date but it had no teeth till Teddy R. got to ride his horse on San Juan Hill.

As to ousting Castro, the policies you seem to support, verily US policy has only entrenched Castro in power. I think the seething resentment of the Cuban Ex-pats has encouraged a silly policy on our part.
-scottC-

United States

#15 Oct 4, 2007
Spanish American War Apr.-Aug. 1898

Platt Amend. 1901

YOU WERE WRONG

me too.

lol
-scottC-

United States

#17 Oct 5, 2007
OK Castromortus, Is Raul dead too? You haven't advocated to open Cuba up to trade, rather opting to starve your own brothers to sate your spite. If you would open Cuba to trade this whole conversation would be moot.

Your anger has perverted you. This is really disturbing that you're anger undermines you own interests.

“America la bella!!”

Since: Jan 07

que Dios te bendiga

#19 Oct 5, 2007
-scottC- wrote:
OK Castromortus, Is Raul dead too? You haven't advocated to open Cuba up to trade, rather opting to starve your own brothers to sate your spite. If you would open Cuba to trade this whole conversation would be moot.
Your anger has perverted you. This is really disturbing that you're anger undermines you own interests.
Do you beleive that the people of Cuba are starve to death becouse of the Embargo??? You better do some research in History on this Demoniac Revolution of Fidel Castro, Not even when Castro was subsidide by the URSS until 1990 The Gov. of Cuba feed them. One of the Priciples of Communism is to keep the People worry about what to eat and looking for food every single day of their life. So they won't have the time and strentgh to Fight the Goverment. LIKE ANY OTHER COMMUNIST NATION..... Cuba negociate and buy anything they want with any country in the world right now even USA> What are you talking about, idiot????? They must Freed all Politicals Prisioners, have Bi-partidist Ellections and FREE his Citizens to speach and the right to Reunions between Cubans inside the island, Like you and Me...Idiot again!!!

“CUBA Y PUERTO RICO HERMANOS”

Since: Dec 06

San Juan,Puerto Rico

#21 Oct 5, 2007
Marie in Miami Fl wrote:
<quoted text>Do you beleive that the people of Cuba are starve to death becouse of the Embargo??? You better do some research in History on this Demoniac Revolution of Fidel Castro, Not even when Castro was subsidide by the URSS until 1990 The Gov. of Cuba feed them. One of the Priciples of Communism is to keep the People worry about what to eat and looking for food every single day of their life. So they won't have the time and strentgh to Fight the Goverment. LIKE ANY OTHER COMMUNIST NATION..... Cuba negociate and buy anything they want with any country in the world right now even USA> What are you talking about, idiot????? They must Freed all Politicals Prisioners, have Bi-partidist Ellections and FREE his Citizens to speach and the right to Reunions between Cubans inside the island, Like you and Me...Idiot again!!!
Well said!During Cuba's times as a soviet satellite,Russian sent 9,000 Million dollars per year as help for more than 31 years which was by far much more money that what the USA sent to rebuild half of Europe with The Marshall Plan after World War II..and even with all that money Cubans starved.Castro system just don't work ,period!

“CUBA Y PUERTO RICO HERMANOS”

Since: Dec 06

San Juan,Puerto Rico

#23 Oct 5, 2007
This is the total cost of the Marshal Plan in American help to rebuild parts of Europe!
Marshall Plan $13,000,000,000 Thirteen billions!
Castro received much more(9,000,000,0000 PER YEAR) in help from the Russians as a Soviet satellite and Cuba was starving also!So is not only the American embargo,it is Castro's failed crazy communist system!Some people are so blinded by Castro's propaganda and just refuse to accept FACTS and love to blame the Americans for everything wrong in Cuba!And IT IS NOT TRUE!

"A four-year program proposed by U.S. Secretary of state George C. Marshall on June 5, 1947, and instituted at the Paris Economic Conference in July 1947 to provide foreign assistance to seventeen western and southern European nations during World War II reconstruction. Implemented by the Economic Cooperation Administration, it was created to restore economic stability in Europe and to facilitate foreign trade, and it dispensed over $13 billion between 1948 and 1951. It was also designed to contain Soviet and communist expansionism. It was a predecessor of NATO and the Atlantic alliance".

“America la bella!!”

Since: Jan 07

que Dios te bendiga

#24 Oct 5, 2007
LIGER OMNI PRIME wrote:
<quoted text>
Marie, I just love your postings! truthful, strong, to the point! Keep it up hrermana!
Hola Liger, es lo ultimo culpar al exilio del hambre en Cuba eso no se lo permito ni a mi madre si me lo dijera...La realidad que aqui se ha hechi tremenda fuerza politica para "mantenerlo";pero USA no le perdona a Cuba los Misiles y es por eso que ha dejado a Cuba en el abandono politico y economico. Que se jod...!!! Yo te digo que no me gusta discutir muy abiertamente ese tema en el Forum pero yo soy "necia" en cuanto a darle una pisca de respiro a ese gobierno. Aqui hay muchos se se estan hablandando en cuanto a eso o estan cansados; pero para mi el Embargo cumplio su cometido que era principalmente"economico ". Te imaginas a Castro en la Banca Internacional con todos los dollares abidos y por haber. Creo que el 911 hubiera sucedido hace muchos anos atras.

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