Greece continues to support Serbia on EU, Kosovo

There are 99 comments on the B92 story from Mar 22, 2013, titled Greece continues to support Serbia on EU, Kosovo. In it, B92 reports that:

Greek Ambassador to Serbia Dimostenis Stoidis estimated on Monday that Serbia deserved to be granted a starting date for EU entry talks.

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teddy

Genova, Italy

#82 Apr 28, 2013
The_Baron wrote:
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R u trying to be funny or what ? eNVER hOXHA even changed the names and surnames of non albanian people. They were forbidden to use their own language. THeir Schools were closed. Are u born yesterday ?
Was Zog to do such, not Hoxha.

Since: Apr 13

Thessaloníki, Greece

#83 Apr 28, 2013
Tosk Albanian wrote:
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Ok, you didn't say anything on my point why Greece could be a little less incolved in helping Serbia. Maybe you admit the thign in silence or maybe you will tell something later..let's see.
Then about western civilisation goes on rationality, well that too, but it does act according to values as well, at least inside the European territory. Give me some data about wesnterners ''lacking of this kind of western sensibility'' inside european territory after teh consolidation of Europe after the fall of comunism, and you will find only the Bosnian case with bosnians praising for muslim oriental identity even by using arab symbols. Kosov albanians idint do that. They showed up as just albanians (most cases), therefore Europe, except Greece and few others, helped them from extiction.
Greece supported Serbia during the '90s because Serbia was being portrayed as evil while on the other hand, crimes against ethnic serbs were always hidden.
-European "humanism": what you told us is that Europeans are humanist under conditions. They treat you according to these values ONLY if you come from the european continent. Otherwise you don't deserve it. Wow!!! I'm deeply touched by such moral greatness!!!
Tosk Albanian

Torino, Italy

#84 Apr 28, 2013
enasEllinas wrote:
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Greece supported Serbia during the '90s because Serbia was being portrayed as evil while on the other hand, crimes against ethnic serbs were always hidden.
-European "humanism": what you told us is that Europeans are humanist under conditions. They treat you according to these values ONLY if you come from the european continent. Otherwise you don't deserve it. Wow!!! I'm deeply touched by such moral greatness!!!
Very cool sarcasm ... You didn't get what I wanted to say on behalf of logistics of these western powers in getting engaged in foregin conflicts.
So you really accuse a military and political power (aka state or league of states) for having no humanism, if they are not involved in every corner of the globe for protecing people from wars by sending their soldeirs in foreign battles, no matter if this power does have enough resources and no matter if the people needing the hel do hate or love these power??
Seriously?

Since: Apr 13

Thessaloníki, Greece

#85 Apr 28, 2013
Tosk Albanian wrote:
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Very cool sarcasm ... You didn't get what I wanted to say on behalf of logistics of these western powers in getting engaged in foregin conflicts.
So you really accuse a military and political power (aka state or league of states) for having no humanism, if they are not involved in every corner of the globe for protecing people from wars by sending their soldeirs in foreign battles, no matter if this power does have enough resources and no matter if the people needing the hel do hate or love these power??
Seriously?
Yes I am sarcastic to romantism, because it is away from reality.
Tosk Albanian

Torino, Italy

#86 Apr 29, 2013
enasEllinas wrote:
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Yes I am sarcastic to romantism, because it is away from reality.
Reasons?
Labeling people's ideas in certain ways is also called prejudgement and is even more detached from not only reality, but from politeness, too.
If you want to keep saying greeks protested against kosovo ALbaninas (just civilians) out of their ''values'' greeks have for seeing injustice toward serbs (regular army fighting), and mean time keeping people busy blaming the West why it is so unsensitive,...that's called hypocirisy.
Tosk Albanian

Torino, Italy

#87 Apr 29, 2013
enasEllinas wrote:
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Greece supported Serbia during the '90s because Serbia was being portrayed as evil while on the other hand, crimes against ethnic serbs were always hidden.
-European "humanism": what you told us is that Europeans are humanist under conditions. They treat you according to these values ONLY if you come from the european continent. Otherwise you don't deserve it. Wow!!! I'm deeply touched by such moral greatness!!!
Thing is that your 2 points combined here if you can put em together without doubel standards,they contain the idea I already trasmitted about statement of greek people and state towards albanians and serbians: hypocirisy pretending to protect people in diffficulty (serbians), while all the opinions of western societies(and real facts) are against serbian genocide of albanians in that conflict. Thank you for making it alone to bring your version of how my oint is true (again it is Kosovo we're talking about!)
Al-berto

Tirana, Albania

#88 Apr 29, 2013
enasEllinas wrote:
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It's obvious that you have no idea about the greek foreign policy.
The reason that Greece doesn't recognise Kosovo is that we are against unilateral border changes. We believe in dialogue. Many other countries are against Kosovo independence.
This is a general rule but each case is unique. I know that Greece is very sensitive to the situation in Cyprus but there is a very big difference betwen them. Based only in general rules does not deduct necesarly in reasonable outcomes.

First of all Kosovo had it's autonomy and its autonomouse governative system. This autonomy was revoked arbitrarly from Serbia.

That wasn't enough. To the majority of K. Albanians was denied all basic rights provided forth to Helsinki card.

You believe in dialogue. That's right but 10 years of paceful resistence of Albanians didn't produced anything. Moreover an internationally brokered dialogue who should had been concluded with an agreement (the one what Serbs are dreaming to have today) was not countersigned by Serbs. On the opposite of that Serbs choosed to turn Kosova into a Hell for albanians and repeating the Bosnia story of an horrible genocide.

To Serbs where given all chances to resolve the situation pacefully through dialogue. The didn't accept it.

Of course Kosova didn't got the recognition of its status because of the Russian and Chinesse veto at the EU SC, and it is the mechanism of veto who stopped that recognition, because it had the majority in its favour.

Serbia issued an advisory opinion on Kosova unilateral Declaration of Independence at ICJ. The outcome was 10 against 2 in favour of Kosova Independence.

Out of 193 UN members 98 of them have recognized the Kosova independence. 7 more have declared they would recognize it but still to confirm it.

Most of the countries fear the implications that recognition will have in their territory, that is the real difficulty and not the missed dialogue who was offered to Serbia to the last second.

Since: Apr 13

Thessaloníki, Greece

#89 Apr 29, 2013
Tosk Albanian wrote:
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Reasons?
Labeling people's ideas in certain ways is also called prejudgement and is even more detached from not only reality, but from politeness, too.
If you want to keep saying greeks protested against kosovo ALbaninas (just civilians) out of their ''values'' greeks have for seeing injustice toward serbs (regular army fighting), and mean time keeping people busy blaming the West why it is so unsensitive,...that's called hypocirisy.
Don't you understand? No one "blames" the West for lack of sensitivity. It is not bad being rational instead of sensitive. One can turn a blind eye to International Law, depending on their interest. So given the fact that Serbia is a good ally and given the turkish claims over greek territories, we condemn unilateral independence which is against International Law. This is the way all states think.

Since: Apr 13

Thessaloníki, Greece

#90 Apr 29, 2013
that's called cynism, not hypocrisy.

Since: Dec 12

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#91 Apr 29, 2013
What the world must know:
www.scribd.com/doc/31322017 ...

Since: Apr 13

Thessaloníki, Greece

#92 Apr 29, 2013
Tosk Albanian wrote:
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Thing is that your 2 points combined here if you can put em together without doubel standards,they contain the idea I already trasmitted about statement of greek people and state towards albanians and serbians: hypocirisy pretending to protect people in diffficulty (serbians), while all the opinions of western societies(and real facts) are against serbian genocide of albanians in that conflict. Thank you for making it alone to bring your version of how my oint is true (again it is Kosovo we're talking about!)
Once again I'll say that it's not a matter of love or hatred.
e.g. during the 20th century, especially the first decades, Bulgaria was our greatest enemy (worse than Turkey), today Bulgaria is one of Greece's best partners.
If states behaved like common people, we would never forget our bloody past just like we don't forget such things in personal level.

Since: Apr 13

Thessaloníki, Greece

#93 Apr 29, 2013
Al-berto wrote:
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Most of the countries fear the implications that recognition will have in their territory, that is the real difficulty and not the missed dialogue who was offered to Serbia to the last second.
I agree that their fears are the reason but if you ask them, they'll tell you the same story Greece says. "We believe in International Law".
Al-berto

Tirana, Albania

#94 Apr 30, 2013
enasEllinas wrote:
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I agree that their fears are the reason but if you ask them, they'll tell you the same story Greece says. "We believe in International Law".
I'll already gave an answer to that. The ICJ advisory opinion on Kosova unilateral declaration of independence was "it does not violate the International Law".

Whether it is the Dialogue or the International Law, the answers are given and there is not any thing left unclear.
Serbonazis

Buffalo, NY

#95 May 1, 2013
Kosovo is right!
Serbonazis

Buffalo, NY

#96 May 1, 2013
Vojvodina is declaring its independence in 2018
reality

Ljubljana, Slovenia

#98 May 1, 2013
Serbonazis wrote:
Vojvodina is declaring its independence in 2018
keep dreaming
Ulhman

Canterbury, UK

#99 May 1, 2013
The Serbians are one of the few people we Greeks can trust.
Serbonazis

Buffalo, NY

#100 May 2, 2013
Ulhman wrote:
The Serbians are one of the few people we Greeks can trust.
whom are you kidding????
Tosk Albanian

Torino, Italy

#101 May 3, 2013
Ulhman wrote:
The Serbians are one of the few people we Greeks can trust.
I wish to you , you personally, to have all of your neighbours to be people that treat their neighbours like serbians do!
I believe the average greek moral level is not as low, trashy, saddistic and cynical as yours. Greece's friends are the wesntern european countres, those who saved you from turks and from the eastern block: True that you are suffening cos you messed things up with the EU, but that is also because of international corporations (no nationality), but mainly though it is caused by the corrupted mentality of the elite in average balcanic countries (maybe more in Greece and ALbanina),... and you are definitely better (or had the cance to be better thanks ot the western countries, if it wasnt for your politcians ans theocratic state) than the balcanic countries of former eastern block.

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