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Greece continues to support Serbia on EU, Kosovo

There are 99 comments on the B92 story from Mar 22, 2013, titled Greece continues to support Serbia on EU, Kosovo. In it, B92 reports that:

Greek Ambassador to Serbia Dimostenis Stoidis estimated on Monday that Serbia deserved to be granted a starting date for EU entry talks.

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Crnogorac

Ljubljana, Slovenia

#21 Apr 18, 2013
enasEllinas wrote:
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He's either Albanian or American.
he is albanian
Serbonazis

Buffalo, NY

#22 Apr 18, 2013
Crnogorac wrote:
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he is albanian
just ask the servoslaves and they know everything who is who from their stupid and crazy presumptions

Since: Mar 07

Prishtina, Kosovo

#23 Apr 18, 2013
enasEllinas wrote:
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He's either Albanian or American.
He`s an Austrian.
Tosk Albanian

Turin, Italy

#24 Apr 18, 2013
european2012 wrote:
Greece was supporter of Milosevic, for this reason not recognize Kosovo.
Greece is problem for EU and NATO.
that's going to be remembered for a loooooong time = HISTORY, while arvanite(albanian) heroes of greek independce 8some 90% of total independence paantheon of Greece) togethet with the first 2-3 arvanite presidents of independent Greece are still rolling on their graves.
HI THERE NEIGHBOURS!(oldest neighbours in the Balcans (LOL)).... we are growing now , you had the chance to be nice to ALbanian when we were being expelled/o )ppressed/in post communism poverty.... But no worry, we are ppl that make things happen, not passive parassites taking advantage of opportunities:
we work, fight, emigrate, stand fast, survive, grow grow... we are the albanians , 9000 years linguistically independent from any other existing language, 1 nation built in 4 religions, ignored from teh western block and then betrayed from the pans slavic eastern block. We are still here!!
Tosk Albanian

Turin, Italy

#25 Apr 18, 2013
The_Baron wrote:
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Never was in history, nor will ever be.
history is older than 7th century and the degrading of the Balcanic penissula due to low quality newcommers. Dardania was Illyrian, if you want to play that game, but still no one is pretending lands from 2000 years. All the issue is : stop beign cavemen taking advantage of minorites once under your rule massacred barbarically. You can't live with them anymore. Maybe you can beat your wife and kill your children, maybe you can kill each other amongh sambe-blood-but-different-reli gion Serbo_Bosnian-Croatian, maybe you can make Lapot to your daddy, but you'll never ever anymore touch the albanians.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lapot
Serb extremists of Millosevic (aka killers of croat, bosnian and albanian civilians) didn't fight any albanian army, but they cowardly
killed albanian people (civilians) on the territory serbs administered, using the guns and the guns and army that also those ethnic albanians have
worked to build. Europe, Germany and USA understood they should leave mixet terrotiroes to be runned by albanians: they proved to be the only
peaceful rulers in the Balcans! Albanian administered lands (aka Republic of Albania), while having minorities inside them,
are the only administrative territories
in Balcans that have never ever seen ethnic cleanse or mistreat of minorities! PERIOD

Since: Mar 07

Prishtina, Kosovo

#26 Apr 18, 2013
Tosk Albanian wrote:
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that's going to be remembered for a loooooong time = HISTORY, while arvanite(albanian) heroes of greek independce 8some 90% of total independence paantheon of Greece) togethet with the first 2-3 arvanite presidents of independent Greece are still rolling on their graves.
HI THERE NEIGHBOURS!(oldest neighbours in the Balcans (LOL)).... we are growing now , you had the chance to be nice to ALbanian when we were being expelled/o )ppressed/in post communism poverty.... But no worry, we are ppl that make things happen, not passive parassites taking advantage of opportunities:
we work, fight, emigrate, stand fast, survive, grow grow... we are the albanians , 9000 years linguistically independent from any other existing language, 1 nation built in 4 religions, ignored from teh western block and then betrayed from the pans slavic eastern block. We are still here!!
exellent post
Tosk Albanian

Turin, Italy

#27 Apr 18, 2013
enasEllinas wrote:
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It's obvious that you have no idea about the greek foreign policy.
The reason that Greece doesn't recognise Kosovo is that we are against unilateral border changes. We believe in dialogue. Many other countries are against Kosovo independence.
very smart played! Greeks are definitely a special country among the western countries, neighbour ^^

The_Baron

“A man's character is his fate”

Since: Jun 10

Heraclitus

#28 Apr 18, 2013
Tosk Albanian wrote:
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history is older than 7th century and the degrading of the Balcanic penissula due to low quality newcommers. Dardania was Illyrian, if you want to play that game, but still no one is pretending lands from 2000 years. All the issue is : stop beign cavemen taking advantage of minorites once under your rule massacred barbarically. You can't live with them anymore. Maybe you can beat your wife and kill your children, maybe you can kill each other amongh sambe-blood-but-different-reli gion Serbo_Bosnian-Croatian, maybe you can make Lapot to your daddy, but you'll never ever anymore touch the albanians.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lapot
Serb extremists of Millosevic (aka killers of croat, bosnian and albanian civilians) didn't fight any albanian army, but they cowardly
killed albanian people (civilians) on the territory serbs administered, using the guns and the guns and army that also those ethnic albanians have
worked to build. Europe, Germany and USA understood they should leave mixet terrotiroes to be runned by albanians: they proved to be the only
peaceful rulers in the Balcans! Albanian administered lands (aka Republic of Albania), while having minorities inside them,
are the only administrative territories
in Balcans that have never ever seen ethnic cleanse or mistreat of minorities! PERIOD
Wow, you found Lapot and you're showing this site to me proving what ? Old custom among Romanians ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lapot

Should i wrote about sworn virgins of Albania ? Women live and dress behaving like men their whole life just to provide their family tribal code ??

http://www.upi.com/blog/2013/01/17/Portraits-...

The_Baron

“A man's character is his fate”

Since: Jun 10

Heraclitus

#29 Apr 18, 2013
Tosk Albanian wrote:
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Albanian administered lands (aka Republic of Albania), while having minorities inside them,
are the only administrative territories
in Balcans that have never ever seen ethnic cleanse or mistreat of minorities! PERIOD
R u trying to be funny or what ? eNVER hOXHA even changed the names and surnames of non albanian people. They were forbidden to use their own language. THeir Schools were closed. Are u born yesterday ?

Since: Mar 07

Prishtina, Kosovo

#30 Apr 18, 2013
The_Baron wrote:
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R u trying to be funny or what ? eNVER hOXHA even changed the names and surnames of non albanian people. They were forbidden to use their own language. THeir Schools were closed. Are u born yesterday ?
Albania was isolated you idiot, there were no foreigners there.

Your posts about Albanians never make sense.

Once a loser always a loser, you will never change, just like Serbia.
Tosk Albanian

Turin, Italy

#31 Apr 18, 2013
The_Baron wrote:
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? Old custom among Romanians ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lapot
Should i wrote about sworn virgins of Albania ? Women live and dress behaving like men their whole life just to provide their family tribal code ??
http://www.upi.com/blog/2013/01/17/Portraits-...
still better than the Lapot in eastern Serbia
Hoxha didnt oppress any minorities. Hoxha regime merely brought schools in all Albania while before the regime msot of teh people didnt have any yet... where were these minority language schools at teh time?
You probably refer to the francescan, mohammedan, greek orthodox schools albanians had to take while albanian language was forbidden under the ottomans (according to religion). My ancestors have been in greek schools. those schools kept existing after albanian independance, but became less and less. And finally closed in 1968 when ALbanian became an officially atheis state, banning every religion, among albanians and among every other minority in same way.
Sincerely, there is nothing happened to minorities (except that we are poorer than the greeks) in our country comparable to oppressions in our neighbouring countries, where minorities were even killed and expelled. C'mon everyone knows this... Kosovo, Chameria, greeks aganist torks bukgars, turks against greeks, bulgars against greeks, montenegrins aganist albanians,...ecc
Squire

Ljubljana, Slovenia

#32 Apr 18, 2013
prishtina wrote:
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albanians are biggest losers

.
correct
Tosk Albanian

Turin, Italy

#33 Apr 18, 2013
and then, what would you call comunist albanians allowing greek minority to take aids from Greek state at a time whole ALbania was isolated from the world, and for more while Greece was part of Western Block?
Greeks of Albania enjoyed special contacts during the whole comunist Albania's time, and used to live better than the rest of us in those hard times. That also increased the number of people wanting to be declared as greeks in the areas near the boundary.
Tosk Albanian

Turin, Italy

#34 Apr 18, 2013
Squire wrote:
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correct
you look as a person of character and of more than 14 years old, dont you?
Tosk Albanian

Turin, Italy

#35 Apr 18, 2013
prishtina wrote:
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exellent post
thank you :-)

TheRealMagyar

Since: Sep 12

In your mind.

#36 Apr 18, 2013
Tosk Albanian wrote:
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you look as a person of character and of more than 14 years old, dont you?
He is not mature enough for a 14 year old, maybe 9.

The_Baron

“A man's character is his fate”

Since: Jun 10

Heraclitus

#37 Apr 18, 2013
Tosk Albanian wrote:
<quoted text>
still better than the Lapot in eastern Serbia
So i have to quote your own site ?

"Lapot is the legendary Romanian practice of senicide, which apparently last survived among the Timok Romanians: killing one's parents, or other elderly family members, once they become a financial burden on the family. The term is an archaic Romanian word, rooted in the Latin term lapidus ("stone")"
__________

Do you now where is the Timok region ?

The_Baron

“A man's character is his fate”

Since: Jun 10

Heraclitus

#38 Apr 18, 2013
Tosk Albanian wrote:
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where were these minority language schools at teh time?
In 1921, Albanian government declared that the Greeks were to be registered as a minority, the Orthodox Serbs however were to register themselves as Albanians (thus becoming nationals of Albania) in a 2 year period.

During the time of 1921-1928 the Serb community in Albania was strengthened through efforts of the Kingdom of Yugoslavia, which opened several Serbian private schools in 1923-1924 of which the school of Vrake had 72 pupils in 1930, three schools in Shkodra.

A ethnic Serb football team existed in Shkodra that competed in the Albanian league. Two youth organizations (Guslar and Obilich) existed in Shkodra.

The Serb school in Vrake was destroyed in 1934. Enver Hoxha decided to destroy the Serbian cemeteries and 2 of the Serb temples.

As part of assimilation politics, Serbs were not allowed to have Serbian names.

Many Serbs had to use simple words as surnames: Druri (Drvo, Tree), Arra (Orah, Walnut), Guri (Kamen, Stone), Hekuri (Gvoždje, Iron), Qershia (Trešnja, Cherry), Dritarja (Prozor, Window)

Since: Mar 12

Location hidden

#39 Apr 18, 2013
Tosk Albanian wrote:
and then, what would you call comunist albanians allowing greek minority to take aids from Greek state at a time whole ALbania was isolated from the world, and for more while Greece was part of Western Block?
Greeks of Albania enjoyed special contacts during the whole comunist Albania's time, and used to live better than the rest of us in those hard times. That also increased the number of people wanting to be declared as greeks in the areas near the boundary.
It s not true.
Yugoslavians had more access to the West. You mistake people and situations here.
Since my maternal grandfather is Greek from that minority I can assure you that no one could leave Albania during the stalinist communist regime. Like everyone else minority Greeks, as now, were citizens of the Republic of Albania. Anyone near the border got shot. How did the communists set the regime? For the first few years, in every city or the central market plaza, they would call every one from work to come and see some public hangings, of the dissidents, fascists, the bourgeoisie, etc. Try and refuse the invitation if you dare to.
My grandfather grew as an orphan in Albania bc when the borders of the iron curtain were closed after WWII, his father, my great grand father, was in Greece working at the time and my great grand mother and their 5 children in the village in south Albania. The border was closed, they were separated and never saw each other again. They could not communicate no letter no nothing. My great grandfather died alone and relatively young outside of Albania's territory.
The Greek minority citizen Albanians enjoyed a relatively OK life in communism, bc
-they never got involved in the party or any type of politics. The party ranks would not accept Greeks anyway. Which turned out a blessing in the end
-they re very communicative, open, driven, hard working, forgiving, democratic, welcoming and friendly. These qualities proved advantageous for them as Albanians are more withdrawn by nature. Albanians benefited from the Greeks of the south.
-after wwii, most Albanians could not read or write, whereas the villagers in the minority had an immediate advantage in this area that they had minimally elementary and high school education or higher.
-they learned fluent Albanian.
-when the dictator Enver Hoxha showed up in the south, they would all attend his speeches even under the rain (there s no joking with a commie dictator, or else...)
-as most churches and mosques that were destroyed in 1967, when the commie government declared the country the first totally atheist country in the world, their churches suffered the same fate. The ones in the south minority are now restored.
-since Enver Hoxha was from Gjirokastra (Argirokastro), the city closest to the Greek minority, he had co mingled in the city, work and his school with the Greeks. There s a Greek flavour around the area.
-they ve good relations with south Albanians that surround them
My grandfather traveled for school, work, research projects to the USSR and China. He moved to Athens in 1991. He worked there for the Greek gov in an even better research institute. He gets pensions from both Albania and Greece and he deserves both.
As anyone else living under a repressive regime, the Greeks were under double the pressure, bc they were different. Many times they would get the second best of what they deserved simply bc they were Greeks.
They had to be wary of the neighbourhood government spy. My grandfather told me that during communism he lived in fear, he had no freedom of speech and faced obstacles
What the Greek minority knows very well, historically, whenever there s difficult times between Albania and Greece guess who in the end gets all the projection from both sides, us. Therefore the soft people minority is accustomed not to pour fires over conflicts, we break the curses. The complete antithesis of bellicose Serbs.
P.s. excuse my Chenglish

Since: Mar 12

Location hidden

#40 Apr 18, 2013
Tosk Albanian wrote:
and then, what would you call comunist albanians allowing greek minority to take aids from Greek state at a time whole ALbania was isolated from the world, and for more while Greece was part of Western Block?
Greeks of Albania enjoyed special contacts during the whole comunist Albania's time, and used to live better than the rest of us in those hard times. That also increased the number of people wanting to be declared as greeks in the areas near the boundary.
It s not true. Mooooooo!!
Yugoslavians had more access to the West. You mistake people and situations here.
Since my maternal grandfather is Greek from that minority I can assure you that no one could leave Albania during the stalinist communist regime. Like everyone else minority Greeks, as now, were citizens of the Republic of Albania. Anyone near the border got shot. How did the communists set the regime? For the first few years, in every city or the central market plaza, they would call every one from work to come and see some public hangings, of the dissidents, fascists, the bourgeoisie, etc. Try and refuse the invitation if you dare to.
My grandfather grew as an orphan in Albania bc when the borders of the iron curtain were closed after WWII, his father, my great grand father, was in Greece working at the time and my great grand mother and their 5 children in the village in south Albania. The border was closed, they were separated and never saw each other again. They could not communicate no letter no nothing. My great grandfather died alone and relatively young outside of Albania's territory.
The Greek minority citizen Albanians enjoyed a relatively OK life in communism, bc
-they never got involved in the party or any type of politics. The party ranks would not accept Greeks anyway. Which turned out a blessing in the end
-they re very communicative, open, driven, hard working, forgiving, democratic, welcoming and friendly. These qualities proved advantageous for them as Albanians are more withdrawn by nature. Albanians benefited from the Greeks of the south.
-after wwii, most Albanians could not read or write, whereas the villagers in the minority had an immediate advantage in this area that they had minimally elementary and high school education or higher.
-they learned fluent Albanian.
-when the dictator Enver Hoxha showed up in the south, they would all attend his speeches even under the rain (there s no joking with a commie dictator, or else...)
-as most churches and mosques that were destroyed in 1967, when the commie government declared the country the first totally atheist country in the world, their churches suffered the same fate. The ones in the south minority are now restored.
-since Enver Hoxha was from Gjirokastra (Argirokastro), the city closest to the Greek minority, he had co mingled in the city, work and his school with the Greeks. There s a Greek flavour around the area.
-they ve good relations with south Albanians that surround them

My grandfather traveled for school, work, research projects to the USSR and China. He moved to Athens in 1991. He worked there for the Greek gov in an even better research institute. He gets pensions from both Albania and Greece and he deserves both.
As anyone else living under a repressive regime, the Greeks were under double the pressure, bc they were different. Many times they would get the second best of what they deserved simply bc they were Greeks.
They had to be wary of the neighbourhood government spy. My grandfather told me that during communism he lived in fear, he had no freedom of speech and faced obstacles

What the Greek minority knows very well, historically, whenever there s difficult times between Albania and Greece guess who in the end gets all the projection from both sides, us. Therefore the soft people minority is accustomed not to pour fires over conflicts, we break the curses. The complete antithesis of bellicose Serbs.

P.s. excuse my Chenglish

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