If Only the Uighurs Were Buddhist and China Was Israel

Jul 8, 2009 | Posted by: Abu Najda | Full story: www.huffingtonpost.com

Pity the Uighurs -- the wrong kind of minority, the wrong kind of Muslims, fighting the wrong kind of enemy.

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A thoughtful piece. Interesting how world views are sometimes cemented. I agree with the writer. Let's hope the atrocities committed against this community register on the radar.

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A thoughtful piece. Interesting how world views are sometimes cemented. I agree with the writer. Let's hope the atrocities committed against this community register on the radar.
So far, all evidence points to atrocities committed mainly by...the Uyghurs! Most of the dead reportedly are Han Chinese, innocent civilians.

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An interesting article. Lots of good information.

But the sad truth, IMHO, goes back to the fact that Muslim militant separatist groups started the problem.

When you make your self the enemy of the country you live in, you should not expect good things to follow.

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http://blogs.wsj.com/chinajournal/2009/07/08/...

The continuing violence in Xinjiang has exposed the depth of animosity that has grown up between the Uighur minority and the majority Han Chinese. To better understand the mistrust on both sides, just listen to a few of these people interviewed by The Wall Street Journal in recent days:

• A young Uighur man selling Xinjiang-style bread on a street corner in west Beijing explained that the riots were an expression of “Uighur unity” against the Han.“If I saw another Uighur getting beat up by Han Chinese on the street, I would jump to his defense,” he said.“But if I saw a Uighur beating up a Han, I would stay out of the way.”

• A Han Chinese grocery vendor from Hubei who moved to Urumqi two years ago said he and many of his friends are intimidated by the Uighurs.“We’ve heard a lot about how tough the Uighur people are. They like fighting, things like that. So in daily life, we also keep distance from them as much as possible,” he said.

• A 32-year-old Uighur man in Beijing, who called himself Saidi, said Uighurs endure systematic abuse at the hands of local Chinese officials in his hometown in rural Xinjiang.“They treat us like we’re all Osama Bin Laden,” he said. He argued that the recent attacks on Uighur factory workers in Guangdong were less of a motivation for the protesters in Xinjiang than the general discrimination and disrespect for Uighur cultural rights throughout China.

• A Han Chinese lawyer living in Urumqi with his family could not understand the grievances expressed by Uighur protesters.“I still don’t get why they did this. My hometown is here too. I’m not their enemy,” he said.“We are working hard, being honest people , and helping others as much as we can, just like decent people anywhere. We have many Uighur friends too.”

• Monika Zhang, 30, a Han Chinese who was born and grew up in Xinjiang, said she was constantly bullied by Uighurs as a child.“When I passed by on my bicycle, they would hit at me with sticks. Once when I was in college, I was slapped in the face by a Uighur on the bus.” That drove her to leave Xinjiang to study in Hubei, though her family still lives there.

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http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2009-07/09/...

BEIJING, July 9(Xinhua)-- Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Qin Gang Thursday urged the international community to abide by a single standard in dealing with terrorism.

Qin was speaking at a ministry press conference about the deadly riot in Urumqi, capital of northwest China's Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region, on Sunday, which left at least 156 people dead and more than 1,000 injured.

He said terrorism was a public enemy of the international community.

For China and neighboring counties, the three forces of "terrorism, separatism and extremism" were regional public enemies, which the international community should unite to combat, take the same actions and improve cooperation, he said.

It should not take two different standards, he said.

In both the United Nations and with its regional neighbors, China had always supported and cooperated in international actions against terrorism, he said.

Qin said the Chinese government had evidence that the people suspected of inciting the riot had received training from terrorist organizations abroad.
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I hate islam, but i am on the Uighurs side.
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Jul 9, 2009
 
Wilberhum wrote:
An interesting article. Lots of good information.
But the sad truth, IMHO, goes back to the fact that Muslim militant separatist groups started the problem.
When you make your self the enemy of the country you live in, you should not expect good things to follow.
Before you get to hard on the Uighurs you should know that OUR Spooky people are the ones that are funding them.

The same way OUR Spooky people are funding the Chechnyan Muslims, The same way OUR Spooky people funded the KLA Albanian and Bosnian Muslims.

The Spooky world is a wilderness of mirrors, don't ever forget that.
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I hate islam, but i am on the Uighurs side.
How very selective of you. Let me guess, you support the Heroin dealing (KLA) Albanian Muslims too right?

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Spunk Plucky wrote:
<quoted text>Before you get to hard on the Uighurs you should know that OUR Spooky people are the ones that are funding them.
The same way OUR Spooky people are funding the Chechnyan Muslims, The same way OUR Spooky people funded the KLA Albanian and Bosnian Muslims.
The Spooky world is a wilderness of mirrors, don't ever forget that.
So you have a defiation of "Our Spooky people" is?
Do you have a link to a reliable source?
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Trisha wrote:
http://news.xinhuanet.com/engl ish/2009-07/09/content_1168136 4.htm
BEIJING, July 9(Xinhua)-- Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Qin Gang Thursday urged the international community to abide by a single standard in dealing with terrorism.
Qin was speaking at a ministry press conference about the deadly riot in Urumqi, capital of northwest China's Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region, on Sunday, which left at least 156 people dead and more than 1,000 injured.
He said terrorism was a public enemy of the international community.
For China and neighboring counties, the three forces of "terrorism, separatism and extremism" were regional public enemies, which the international community should unite to combat, take the same actions and improve cooperation, he said.
It should not take two different standards, he said.
In both the United Nations and with its regional neighbors, China had always supported and cooperated in international actions against terrorism, he said.
Qin said the Chinese government had evidence that the people suspected of inciting the riot had received training from terrorist organizations abroad.
When he "urges the international community to abide by a single standard" what he's saying is a message to the West. He speaks diplomatically and that type of jargon isn't meant for the averag idiot.
It's directed toward certain "agencies" that fund terrorists when it's to their benefit.

You know, kinda like when a certain "agency" trained the Taliban in the arts of sabotage, and bombings in the early 1980's Afghanistan.

Also Trisha, when you post propagand from the Wall Street Journal you should always keep in mind that, that's who the spy Daniel Pearl worked for.

This case is alot like the Tibetan case where the Tibetan Monks ran amok and killed hundreds of Han Chinese and all our newspapers did was cover the "reaction" to it.

Like Zack De La Rocha once said, There's nothing proper about propaganda.
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Marco the atheist wrote:
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So far, all evidence points to atrocities committed mainly by...the Uyghurs! Most of the dead reportedly are Han Chinese, innocent civilians.
At least somebodys paying attention.
It's also the Uighurs who were going to attack the Olympics with bombs (until they got busted).
And they went on a rampage not too long ago and attacked Chinese police stations and killed several Chinese policemen. You know what all this is about....

There's OIL in them thur hills,

Black Gold, Texas Tea

....well the first thing you know ole Jeds a millionaire the kinfolk said let's move over there, said Xianxing is the place you want to be so they loaded up the truck and they moved to Xianxing.

Hills that is, swimming pools, movie stars.
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Wilberhum wrote:
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So you have a defiation of "Our Spooky people" is?
Do you have a link to a reliable source?
I know Nooooothing.*my best impression of Shultz from Hogans Heros*
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Wilberhum wrote:
An interesting article. Lots of good information.
But the sad truth, IMHO, goes back to the fact that Muslim militant separatist groups started the problem.
When you make your self the enemy of the country you live in, you should not expect good things to follow.
Trust me when I tell you that I'm not divulging any top-secret info. I'm just a guy that knows how to read and connect dots. You could do the same thing, you just have to want to.

If the future is anything like the past, then 10-15 years from now we'll stop supporting the Uighurs when we get "ours" and then everyone will get another example of what the word "Blowback" means.

We're creating another IslamicFrankenstein.

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"You know, kinda like when a certain "agency" trained the Taliban in the arts of sabotage, and bombings in the early 1980's Afghanistan."

If ignorance is bliss, you must be as happy a Dung Beetle that an elephant has just dumped on.

The Taliban did not exist in the 1980's.
http://www.answers.com/topic/taliban-militia

The Taliban Militia (Students of Islamic Knowledge Movement) rules approximately two thirds of Afghanistan. It was established in 1994, shortly after the Pakistani government announced its intention to establish a trade route through Afghanistan to Central Asia.
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Wilberhum wrote:
"You know, kinda like when a certain "agency" trained the Taliban in the arts of sabotage, and bombings in the early 1980's Afghanistan."
If ignorance is bliss, you must be as happy a Dung Beetle that an elephant has just dumped on.
The Taliban did not exist in the 1980's.
http://www.answers.com/topic/taliban-militia
The Taliban Militia (Students of Islamic Knowledge Movement) rules approximately two thirds of Afghanistan. It was established in 1994, shortly after the Pakistani government announced its intention to establish a trade route through Afghanistan to Central Asia.
Oh a hairsplitter, are ya. Okay then the Mujahadeen. Which are the same guys that morphed into the Taliban.

And if that's a little too over your head then let's go to the movies.

Remember the Propaganda flick Rambo 3? When the Mujahadeen were the heros? Remember those big bad helicopters that were more the protagonist of the "movie" than the Russians themselves.

That was Charlie Wilsons doing.

And no. Before you ask. Charlie Wilson was not Mr. Wilson from the Dennis the Menace comic strip. This was a whole nother Mr. Wilson.
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Damn now I do sound like a Dung Beetle. I meant antagonist when I was referring to the helicopters. Doh!!
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Jul 9, 2009
 
Speaking of military Propaganda how did you like Rambo 8 or whatever it was called where "Burma" is now the "bad guy" at the same time Laura Bush was trying to do her thing over there.

That old Sly Stallone sure has some spooky connections don't he?
Did you know that when propaganda flicks er, uh I mean war movies are made, the military aircraft and ships are provided by the DoD with the stipulation that their "technical advisers" get to have a role in the making of the "film".

That's why they always have that Gung-Ho, Yeeeeeaaaaah America feel to them.
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Wilberhum wrote:
"You know, kinda like when a certain "agency" trained the Taliban in the arts of sabotage, and bombings in the early 1980's Afghanistan."
If ignorance is bliss, you must be as happy a Dung Beetle that an elephant has just dumped on.
The Taliban did not exist in the 1980's.
http://www.answers.com/topic/taliban-militia
The Taliban Militia (Students of Islamic Knowledge Movement) rules approximately two thirds of Afghanistan. It was established in 1994, shortly after the Pakistani government announced its intention to establish a trade route through Afghanistan to Central Asia.
Speaking of Pakistan, how about that Pakistani ISI? They sure made for some strange bed-fellows back in those crazy days of the early 80's huh?

Sounds like what you're saying is the ISI and the CIA were funding the Taliban (okay Mujahadeen have it your way) but when the 2 agencies cut a deal and "got theirs" they left the Taliban (Mujahadeen0 out in the cold. And Voila!! Well you know the rest.
Maybe after the Chinese and the West sign a deal to split up the oil concessions there won't be a need for the Uighurs anymore and they will be left out in the cold as well.

Sound familiar? Same Sh!t only thing that's different is the timezone.

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Spunk Plucky wrote:
<quoted text>Speaking of Pakistan, how about that Pakistani ISI? They sure made for some strange bed-fellows back in those crazy days of the early 80's huh?
Sounds like what you're saying is the ISI and the CIA were funding the Taliban (okay Mujahadeen have it your way) but when the 2 agencies cut a deal and "got theirs" they left the Taliban (Mujahadeen0 out in the cold. And Voila!! Well you know the rest.
Maybe after the Chinese and the West sign a deal to split up the oil concessions there won't be a need for the Uighurs anymore and they will be left out in the cold as well.
Sound familiar? Same Sh!t only thing that's different is the timezone.
To continue on from the link I provided.

"At this time, Afghanistan was in a state of chaos and under mujahideen rule. The Taliban Militia's aim was to disarm Afghan warlords, return law and order to the country and enforce Islamic law over a united Afghanistan."

The Taliban fought the Mujahideen.
To use the names interchange is ignorant.

I don't think you are at a knowledge level that would produce an interesting exchange for me.

But thanks anyway.

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Also Trisha, when you post propagand from the Wall Street Journal you should always keep in mind that, that's who the spy Daniel Pearl worked for.
Hey, Spunky,
The original posted article and website is as much opinionated and biased as the WSJ. I didn't say I aqreed with any of them, but thought another viewpoint, possibly counter viewpoint needed to be raised.

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