Westland lawmaker: Snyder's right to work stand unchanged from two years ago

Dec 5, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Observer & Eccentric

Two large tents, separated by sidewalk, have been set up on the lawn at the State Capital - one for each side of the right to work debate.

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perplexed

Clayton, MI

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Dec 6, 2012
 
How does this overall benefit? If workers don't want unions they can be voted out by majority vote. We don't need Lansing to delegate except to keep fraud out of union and pension funds. If car companies want unions out they can be voted out.
Pete

Livonia, MI

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Dec 6, 2012
 
perplexed wrote:
How does this overall benefit? If workers don't want unions they can be voted out by majority vote. We don't need Lansing to delegate except to keep fraud out of union and pension funds. If car companies want unions out they can be voted out.
You show little understanding of what the RTW right to work concept is about. It's not about having a union or not. Maybe that's where you stopped investigating and posted. Yes, currently a shop can decide whether to have a union or not. Some do and some don't. However, if a shop, store or whatever has a union, that union is required by law to represent all the people that work in that organization. Unions operations are funded by the union dues that the workers pay. These dues come out of worker's pay. This is how it works now.

Under RTW, unions would be PRECLUDED from collecting dues from worker's pay or from those who elected not to pay. How long would a union last under these rules? Not very long. This is why the unions are dead against the law and why people are fighting.

While I like some of Snyder's ideas, he is a snake in the grass. He outright lies and inveigles to sell his positions. This case is no different. He would love to see wages generally go down in Michigan so it would attract more business. So he favors RTW.

This is my best explanation. Let others contribute.
perplexed

Clayton, MI

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Dec 6, 2012
 
I see what u r saying. I am just trying to preserve what little left of unskilled worker unions they have left.UAW workers make far less than old school ones. They really for practical purposes r being paid less than many non union transplant foreign companies in USA. Where is this logical to have union.?the ones who voted these two tiered wages were ones who were making top pay.
Pete

Livonia, MI

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perplexed wrote:
I see what u r saying. I am just trying to preserve what little left of unskilled worker unions they have left.UAW workers make far less than old school ones. They really for practical purposes r being paid less than many non union transplant foreign companies in USA. Where is this logical to have union.?the ones who voted these two tiered wages were ones who were making top pay.
What you say is true. Union leaders and members have been greedy at times and not delivered as promised. The foreign company plants that are not union have a very high standard of hiring. They do lots of testing and grading before and after hiring. Supposedly this process results in more productive employees and they can pay more than for the average guy off the street.

The bottom line is that the RTW legislation as being contemplated is not actually about any rights for workers. It's about killing all unions, good or bad. It's a shell game by the governor.
perplexed

Clayton, MI

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Dec 6, 2012
 
It is possible this could become another right to work state. Does this mean skilled trade unions could be affected also?by the way I would think these assembly line workers take pride in their work even being paid less.after all it is a job

“So long to you, Righties”

Since: Jan 12

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"Right to work" = "no unions"

This isn't rocket science, anyone who favors "right to work" laws is opposed to unions and organized labor. Period.

It's one of the most dishonest euphemisms in current American politics.
Pete

Livonia, MI

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perplexed wrote:
It is possible this could become another right to work state. Does this mean skilled trade unions could be affected also?by the way I would think these assembly line workers take pride in their work even being paid less.after all it is a job
On paper this legislation could sail right through with Snyder and his republican support. People are already being gassed and arrested on the doorsteps at Lansing over the issue. If it goes a step further the unions will be working for recalls of those who vote for it.

Any union will be affected by it as proposed. If the bill is modified, then those changes might be better for unions than the currently proposed bill.

If you did not have to pay your sales tax at the store, would you keep a tally at home and send it to Lansing? What if the law said you only had to pay if you WANTED to pay? How much money would Lansing collect? Insert the word union for Lansing and you will understand why the union would have trouble surviving.
celticwarriors

Bradenton, FL

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Dec 6, 2012
 
This over-reach by pRicky should have waited. Now he and his cronies, and we know who voted for this anti-American travesty of justice, will have to dealt with immediately. We know who is behind this and why it was pushed through now. Pity them.
Pete

Livonia, MI

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Dec 7, 2012
 
notaunionmoocher wrote:
Hell I might just go join a union now,and refuse to pay dues. HAHA, starve the wicked beast of it's tribute. Gosh doesn't that sound like a democrat tactic? Go for your recall vote, you won't win because Real Citizens know that unions have destroyed the midlle class. Unions embrace mediocrity and punish excellence. All you union leeches, if you don't like it move. We want to work, you useless boils on the ass of humanity
I don't belong to a union now. I have at times. I recall as a young person being forced to work slowly so the time study people would not increase the workload. People read papers and slept in the stalls. I worked places where the entry fee to the union was outrageous. I guess I'm still technically still a member in good standing of two unions. Union abuses abound. This has resulted in a wave of revenge against unions in general. Unions won't end overnight because of this legislation and I don't know the final wording. But under the original plan, existing unions could not even allow the companies to collect the dues. This part is wrong.

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Dec 7, 2012
 
notaunionmoocher wrote:
Hell I might just go join a union now,and refuse to pay dues. HAHA, starve the wicked beast of it's tribute. Gosh doesn't that sound like a democrat tactic? Go for your recall vote, you won't win because Real Citizens know that unions have destroyed the midlle class. Unions embrace mediocrity and punish excellence. All you union leeches, if you don't like it move. We want to work, you useless boils on the ass of humanity
Unions do the work...wingnuts make all the noise. You are apparently one of the latter.
Walter Ruthless

Redford, MI

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Dec 7, 2012
 
A new business could come to Michigan and make its best choice of employees. It could pay what it felt were competitive wages and benefits. Then if an employee showed up drunk or on drugs, the employer could fire said employee without waiting for a fourth offense and union approval. This could ultimately bring the costs down.

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