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MoeHamid

Riverview, FL

#75 Dec 16, 2010
St Paul Liberal wrote:
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Then give us the statistics to prove it. The biggest expenses of the federal government are Medicare, Social Security, and the Department of Defense. And how can conservatives be fiscally responsible if they approve two wars and approve tax cuts at the same time. We at home should be feeling some of the fiscal pain of war. God knows our soldiers face far more sacrifice. The deficit was 10 trillion on the day Obama took office. So, conservatives, prove you really can accept responsibility for your actions!
Yes it was all George Bush's fault! You low life liberals, always need to blame some one else, as you are masters of the victimization scheme!
Kent Pekel

Saint Paul, MN

#76 Dec 16, 2010
Some comments in this article attributed to me seem to suggest that the communities and school districts of Anoka-Hennepin and Forest Lake don't emphasize postsecondary education. In fact, what I said -- or meant to say if I mispoke to the reporter -- was that in the past those two communities didn't NEED to emphasize postsecondary education for all students because it was possible to live and raise a family there on an income generated by a job that didn't require a post-secondary credential or degree. In the economy of the future, it will be very difficult to have a similar quality of life in either of those communities or elsewhere in our state without earning some type of degree after high school.

I did not mean to suggest, however, that educators and citizens in Anoka-Hennepin or Forest Lake are unaware of that economic reality. In fact, I mentioned those two school districts precisely because I know from my work at the university that they are leaders in reshaping education to better prepare all students for success after high school. I regret it if my comments seemed to suggest that either community doesn't care about a goal that, in fact, they are working very hard to achieve.
Doomster

Minneapolis, MN

#77 Dec 16, 2010
Kent Pekel wrote:
Some comments in this article attributed to me seem to suggest that the communities and school districts of Anoka-Hennepin and Forest Lake don't emphasize postsecondary education. In fact, what I said -- or meant to say if I mispoke to the reporter -- was that in the past those two communities didn't NEED to emphasize postsecondary education for all students because it was possible to live and raise a family there on an income generated by a job that didn't require a post-secondary credential or degree. In the economy of the future, it will be very difficult to have a similar quality of life in either of those communities or elsewhere in our state without earning some type of degree after high school.
I did not mean to suggest, however, that educators and citizens in Anoka-Hennepin or Forest Lake are unaware of that economic reality. In fact, I mentioned those two school districts precisely because I know from my work at the university that they are leaders in reshaping education to better prepare all students for success after high school. I regret it if my comments seemed to suggest that either community doesn't care about a goal that, in fact, they are working very hard to achieve.
Lets hope a lot of our future high school graduates want to be plumbers or will they need a college degree to unplug a toilet?

Since: Dec 09

Saint Paul, MN

#78 Dec 16, 2010
Joe Btfsplk wrote:
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When my ancestors came they didn't receive government assistance, to provide medical insurance, give them in state tuition, etc. In fact they were expected to speak english and adopt the culture of their new country. Oh yes and they didn't climb a fence to get here they got here the old fashion way they waited in line and when they got here they had to go through a medical check to ensure they didn't have diseases that would prevent them from entering the country...and they came here, went to work, didn't steal someone elses identify, didn't falsify their papers, obeyed the laws, raised a family who to this day honor and respect the laws of the USA.
There have been and always will be illegal immigrants. You think the quota numbers on Chinese immigrants allowed into the US was strictly enforced?? You think customs agents didn't take bribes back then? You think every immigrant obeyed the laws of the land. Please. Don't be so naive.
MoeHamid

Riverview, FL

#79 Dec 17, 2010
spectre000 wrote:
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There have been and always will be illegal immigrants. You think the quota numbers on Chinese immigrants allowed into the US was strictly enforced?? You think customs agents didn't take bribes back then? You think every immigrant obeyed the laws of the land. Please. Don't be so naive.
How would you know?
Joe Btfsplk

South Saint Paul, MN

#80 Dec 17, 2010
spectre000 wrote:
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There have been and always will be illegal immigrants. You think the quota numbers on Chinese immigrants allowed into the US was strictly enforced?? You think customs agents didn't take bribes back then? You think every immigrant obeyed the laws of the land. Please. Don't be so naive.
There have always been people who steal other people's identify, falsified social security numbers...so I guess by your logic there shouldn't be a problem looking the other way when its done today.

Since: Dec 09

Saint Paul, MN

#81 Dec 17, 2010
MoeHamid wrote:
<quoted text> How would you know?
Books and lots of History Channel.:)

Since: Dec 09

Saint Paul, MN

#82 Dec 17, 2010
Joe Btfsplk wrote:
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There have always been people who steal other people's identify, falsified social security numbers...so I guess by your logic there shouldn't be a problem looking the other way when its done today.
... no I don't think it's okay. But I'm not so high and mighty to think my ancestors are holier than todays immigrants. Every generation dumps on its immigrants. Those 150 years ago were given rifles almost as soon as they came off their ships and told to fight and die for their new country in the Union Army. Chinese immigrants were all but unemployable save for lowly and dangerous railroad construction jobs. Latinos of today are working the overnight janitorial jobs, slaughterhouses, and minimum wage jobs that you and I are too good for.

I don't like the fact that many get here illegally. But I'm not going to look down on them for wanting a better life for themselves and their families. They are trying to achieve the American dream.
MoeHamid

Riverview, FL

#83 Dec 17, 2010
spectre000 wrote:
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... no I don't think it's okay. But I'm not so high and mighty to think my ancestors are holier than todays immigrants. Every generation dumps on its immigrants. Those 150 years ago were given rifles almost as soon as they came off their ships and told to fight and die for their new country in the Union Army. Chinese immigrants were all but unemployable save for lowly and dangerous railroad construction jobs. Latinos of today are working the overnight janitorial jobs, slaughterhouses, and minimum wage jobs that you and I are too good for.
I don't like the fact that many get here illegally. But I'm not going to look down on them for wanting a better life for themselves and their families. They are trying to achieve the American dream.
Interesting. You just said, you do not look down on Criminals. Any one that is in the U.S. illegally is a criminal. They broke the law to get here. You are apparently one of those fleckless souls, that feel you can pick and choose which laws to obey. You can rationalize all you want, but you are condoning law breakers!
Peter

Houston, TX

#84 Dec 17, 2010
spectre000 wrote:
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... no I don't think it's okay. But I'm not so high and mighty to think my ancestors are holier than todays immigrants. Every generation dumps on its immigrants. Those 150 years ago were given rifles almost as soon as they came off their ships and told to fight and die for their new country in the Union Army. Chinese immigrants were all but unemployable save for lowly and dangerous railroad construction jobs. Latinos of today are working the overnight janitorial jobs, slaughterhouses, and minimum wage jobs that you and I are too good for.
I don't like the fact that many get here illegally. But I'm not going to look down on them for wanting a better life for themselves and their families. They are trying to achieve the American dream.
I want a better life. If I take your things, will you look down on me?

Times change. Now, we have a modern social welfare state and people without skills and educations, rather than being the underpinning of the nation's development, are SOCIAL PROBLEMS. Liberals carp endlessly about the schools, poverty, healthcare and about everything else, but then support mass migration of drop outs destined to make all of it worse. Importing unskilled people 100 years ago was fine; it was overwhelmingly an unskilled economy. Now, it's a disaster. If you want to pine away for the past, we used to have the common sense not to import people that were bad for the country. Unskilled people back then had something to add. Now they don't. So, yes, restore common sense and clean up the illegals.

Since: Dec 09

Saint Paul, MN

#85 Dec 17, 2010
Peter wrote:
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Now, it's a disaster. If you want to pine away for the past, we used to have the common sense not to import people that were bad for the country. Unskilled people back then had something to add. Now they don't. So, yes, restore common sense and clean up the illegals.
What you think was common sense, was just racially motivated (ie. Chinese immigrants). And the illegal and legal immigrants today do the jobs you and I won't do. Clean bathrooms at malls might not seem like much. But they are the ones who do it. Unskilled labor still has a place in todays society. You're just blind to it.

Cleaning up illegal immigration is needed. But reading comments on this thread, too many think all immigration is bad. That's where there wrong.
Peter

Houston, TX

#86 Dec 17, 2010
spectre000 wrote:
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What you think was common sense, was just racially motivated (ie. Chinese immigrants). And the illegal and legal immigrants today do the jobs you and I won't do. Clean bathrooms at malls might not seem like much. But they are the ones who do it. Unskilled labor still has a place in todays society. You're just blind to it.
Cleaning up illegal immigration is needed. But reading comments on this thread, too many think all immigration is bad. That's where there wrong.
That's just a simple cliche that passes for thought. We did have racially motivated immigration, but we also had practical immigration. We sent people with disease and deficiency home, for example. We kept those that could helps the nation; strong backs were needed and used and your Chinese immigrants are an example. But now we have a modern social welfare state and skill free people are social problems and a burden. Adding to their numbers makes every social metric liberals cry about worse. Whine and cry about people without healthcare or that are poor? Our unjust racist society, of course. Not really, it's just poverty that pretty damn obviously comes from having zippo for skills. You wanna add more unskilled people? Great, then don't bitch about poverty, housing, healthcare, income skew or any of the other extremely obvious consequences.

They do jobs no one else will do. That's just foolish and some tripe dreamed up by open border apologists. Unemployment for unskilled people is dramatically higher than for those with skills. Wages for unskilled people continue to fall. That's because the market for unskilled labor is massively OVERSUPPLIED, not undersupplied. Demand for labor relates to its price. Just a fact. As price falls, labor demand expands. With ever lower price, more and more crazy service intensive industries have developed to sop up the labor. Here in Houston, we have valet parking and nail salons everywhere. Lawn cutting is $10 to $15. Painting is hardly anything. Massage places are ubiquitous. My office building has a virtual army of people cleaning stuff. Any concept of why? Price. To absorb the massive supply, price has fallen to create sufficient demand for the market to clear. Those jobs no one else will do is CREATED by the oversupply of labor. And agriculture? You know, I hope, that we could import tomatoes rather than Mexicans, right?

Complete the analogy: Unskilled people are to today's workforce what _________ people were to the workforce of 100 years ago. The missing word is "retarded" and our nation hardly let retarded people into the country back then in your misty eyed wonder years of immigration.

Skills underpin standard of living. Just a fact. Most people are smart enough to know that drop outs in St. Paul is part of a social problem. It doesn't suddenly become not a social problem just because a drop-out did his/her dropping out in Mexico instead of St. Paul. It's still a social problem. Please tell me that you can figure this out for yourself.

Since: Jul 12

Ghaziabad, India

#87 Jul 10, 2012
In railway maintenance job there are lots of work to do, if one wants to join the railway board, he has to do a lot of work.

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