Jurors can consider manslaughter in gay killing

Aug 24, 2011 | Posted by: Josh in New Orleans | Full story: www.sacbee.com

LOS ANGELES -- A California judge decided jurors can consider convicting a teen of voluntary manslaughter in the killing of a gay classmate at school. Defendant Brandon McInerney is charged with murder in the shooting of 15-year-old Larry King. Read more

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Honest AbeL wrote:
I could not register and keep logging in under different names if that would help you
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Not to worry. We'd still recognize your posts, just like those of your fellow troll from Pekin.

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Honest AbeL wrote:
My first post should have given that away.
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You violent, deranged, sexually disordered homophobes should be culled.

You already are being excluded from educated society, but that isn't a good enough fix for such vile filth.

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Honest AbeL wrote:
He should get nothing more than a detention.
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He should get a slap on the wrist……

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The real culprits are the school administration and the politicians that created this situation and let it fester.

There was clearly something wrong with Larry King, and he should have been separated from the other students and given psychiatric treatment, instead of being treated like he was just another normal kid.

This whole thing reminds me of the situations involving the characters, Anne, Dr. Lawrence and Dr. Beagrie, in the series Little Britain, who pretend that Anne is behaving in a completely normal way, when she is clearly deranged.

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But, that’s where political correctness will get you.

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Fred ABQ wrote:
Hopefully, the judge's decision will be overturned. If this case is not a clear case of premeditated murder, then no case is.
13 year olds do not have the maturity to fully control their emotions and their thoughts. That’s why the states don’t let them drive or vote or marry or purchase liquor and pornography and whole bunch of other things.

So, the premeditation of a 13 year old is something quite different from the premeditation of a 40 year old. They are not equal. 13 year olds can almost be considered as equivalent to mentally retarded adults. And the law takes this into account. Mentally deficient adults have been given more lenient sentences for their crimes because their handicap made it impossible for them to be responsible and fully understand the consequences of their actions.

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Honest AbeL wrote:
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Well, at least you're registered. That kinda makes you a part of the community (in spite of the annoyances) LOL! You're a trip!
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He should get a slap on the wrist……
Your Christian compassion is overwhelming me.

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Aug 25, 2011
 
I don't usually even respond to those who don't register.
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Well, at least you're registered. That kinda makes you a part of the community (in spite of the annoyances) LOL! You're a trip!

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13 year olds do not have the maturity to fully control their emotions and their thoughts.
He seemed to exhibit plenty of control if you ask me. This wasn't a situation where the kid just blew up and blew someone's brains out. The most damning fact of all is that he planned what he was going to do in advance. This isn't a situation involving a mere kid who had no idea what he was doing. He chose to bring a gun to school in order to end the life of one of his peers. At fourteen, a person has enough brains to know that's a really bad idea. He gets none of my sympathy.

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Aug 25, 2011
 
He obviously lacks the maturity to properly assess the situation. Thats why he can't drive or drink
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He seemed to exhibit plenty of control if you ask me. This wasn't a situation where the kid just blew up and blew someone's brains out. The most damning fact of all is that he planned what he was going to do in advance. This isn't a situation involving a mere kid who had no idea what he was doing. He chose to bring a gun to school in order to end the life of one of his peers. At fourteen, a person has enough brains to know that's a really bad idea. He gets none of my sympathy.
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Honest AbeL wrote:
I don't usually even respond to those who don't register.
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How considerate of you. A little unfair to those who are registered, though.

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Honest AbeL wrote:
He obviously lacks the maturity to properly assess the situation. Thats why he can't drive or drink
You kill someone, you pay the price. I think I'd agree with you if the person in this situation were just a few years younger, but at fourteen, kids have got plenty of sense... enough especially to not go bring a gun to school to shoot up a classmate. Obviously he was immature, but I think at that age a person can be held responsible as an adult if they take the life of another. Teenagers kill each other in New Orleans all the time. It doesn't they're too young to know what they're doing.

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The only problem I see is the hypocrisy of the laws. I agree he had clear intent but I don't understand how we in this country say you are a child for labor laws, driving, drinking, contracts, etc but not for crimes? I just don't understand the logic
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You kill someone, you pay the price. I think I'd agree with you if the person in this situation were just a few years younger, but at fourteen, kids have got plenty of sense... enough especially to not go bring a gun to school to shoot up a classmate. Obviously he was immature, but I think at that age a person can be held responsible as an adult if they take the life of another. Teenagers kill each other in New Orleans all the time. It doesn't they're too young to know what they're doing.

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Honest AbeL wrote:
He obviously lacks the maturity to properly assess the situation. Thats why he can't drive or drink
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B.S.

If a 14 y/o doesn't know shooting someone in the back of the head TWICE will likely kill them, then they shouldn't be loose in public to start with.

Fry the little psychopath!

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B.S.
If a 14 y/o doesn't know shooting someone in the back of the head TWICE will likely kill them, then they shouldn't be loose in public to start with.
Fry the little psychopath!
Since SCOTUS has already ruled that applying the death penalty to a person for a crime committed when he or she was uder the age of 18 years old is unconstitutional (a ruling I STRONGLY DISAGREE with), the maximum penalty is life in prison without the possibility of parole. I believe that that is what the penalty shold be in this case.

There are many thousands of people in the U.S. serving that sentence for crimes committed when they were under the age of 18 years old. I have no problem with that.

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Aug 25, 2011
 
I don't know if you remember the case of Lionel Tate, but he was 12 years old when he murdered a young girl. And for that crime, COMMITTED WHEN HE WAS 12 YEARS OLD, he was sentenced to life in prison with no chance of parole.

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Honest AbeL wrote:
The only problem I see is the hypocrisy of the laws. I agree he had clear intent but I don't understand how we in this country say you are a child for labor laws, driving, drinking, contracts, etc but not for crimes? I just don't understand the logic
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You have a valid point, but I think what WeTheSheeple said makes a lot more sense. Even someone who is 14 is a threat to society if that person murders. I'll add to it that I think it would be a travesty of justice for someone so young, but not so young enough to get off easy just because of his or her age. Personally, I think the only appropriate punishment for first degree murder is the death penalty, and the way I see it, if one forfeits the life of another out of malice and does not have their own voided as the penalty, then they're already getting off easy.

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Josh in New Orleans wrote:
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You have a valid point, but I think what WeTheSheeple said makes a lot more sense. Even someone who is 14 is a threat to society if that person murders. I'll add to it that I think it would be a travesty of justice for someone so young, but not so young enough to get off easy just because of his or her age. Personally, I think the only appropriate punishment for first degree murder is the death penalty, and the way I see it, if one forfeits the life of another out of malice and does not have their own voided as the penalty, then they're already getting off easy.
I agree. I've always been a big supporter of the Death Penalty. It is not used often enough in the U.S., nor is it used for enough crimes. There are non-homicide crimes where one can be sentenced to death in the U.S., and IMHO, there aren't enough crimes in the U.S. that have that penalty.

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I guess one thing none of us have considered is that life in prison can be as little as 7 years in some states. I didn't think of that until now and am not speaking for others
Josh in New Orleans wrote:
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You have a valid point, but I think what WeTheSheeple said makes a lot more sense. Even someone who is 14 is a threat to society if that person murders. I'll add to it that I think it would be a travesty of justice for someone so young, but not so young enough to get off easy just because of his or her age. Personally, I think the only appropriate punishment for first degree murder is the death penalty, and the way I see it, if one forfeits the life of another out of malice and does not have their own voided as the penalty, then they're already getting off easy.

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