Utah families = exemptions

Utah families = exemptions

There are 18 comments on the Deseret News story from May 31, 2006, titled Utah families = exemptions. In it, Deseret News reports that:

To the surprise of almost no one who lives, shops, works or goes to school here, Utah County is home to some of the largest families in the country.

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Karen Davis

Kansas City, MO

#1 Jun 1, 2006
I politely, but truthfully without political "facade" acknowledge the ramifications of the pressure in Utah to have large families by the controlling religion. The teachers and leaders of the church have pushed young, uneducated returning missionaries to marry prematurely "within six months" and to immediately start their family to ensure that their membership continues to grow in Utah. This has been taught in seminaries relentlessly in years past.
It is of no surprise, therefore, to sadly read that Utah has one of the HIGHEST levels of depression of the supressed, undervalued, overworked women with too many kids who use the highest rate of prescription drugs in the NATION. Child abuse, spousal abuse, and suicide is also among the highest in the United States according to the US Census Bureau of 2003 and 2005. If this is a shock to any of you who are blindly obedient, please wake up and do the research.

In my opinion, this all stems from the corruption that crept into the church (as has happened in other relgions) beginning with the SIGNIFICANT alterations to the ORIGINAL BOOK OF MORMON which clearly and emphatically states that polygamy (total undermining of the value of a woman) is "an abomination unto the Lord." (Jacob 2:23-24) And for anyone who cares to read rather than trust in traditional dogma, Jacob Chapter 3 of the Book of Mormon clearly explains that the destruction of the prideful Nephites came about because of their practice of polygamy! Chapter 132 of the Doctrine and Covenants was put in to justify polygamy in the late 1800s! Polygamy is still allowed in the temples today with men being able to be sealed to more than woman!
Prophetically the Church needs to be cleansed by the blind sheep as declared in Doctrine and Covenants 64:38-40: "For it shall come to pass that the inhabitants of Zion shall judge all things pertaining to Zion. And liars and hypocrites shall be proved by them, and they who are NOT apostles and prophets (but say they are) shall be known. And even the BISHOP, who is a judge, and his counselors, if they are not faithful in their stewardships shall be condemned, and others shall be planted in their stead." This is the answer to the alarming national statistics reflecting the behind-the-facade present state of Utah.
James Johnson

Salt Lake City, UT

#2 Jun 1, 2006
I am using the "assumed name" given me by a Utah Judge back in 1990 to protect my true name because of an illegal adoption case in Utah County. My Regional Representative attorney brought in a 2-day old baby from Dallas, Texas on June 27, 1986 without getting the permission from the birthmother (prominent family in Provo = her father was one of the Original LETTERMEN singer/performer) because they wanted me to have a "large" family while Zions First National Bank stole my gold mine in Nevada.
You are very right about the present condition in Utah County and the vast amount of emotional trauma happening to members of large families. One important aspect for the "husband" to these large families is the tax deduction benefits given him with so many kids. The cost per child over the next twenty years is about $350,000 per child. Even though a husband makes a good living, most of the income goes to raise a child governored on "peer pressure" of keeping up with the Jones'.

Since: Feb 07

East Carbon, UT

#3 Feb 23, 2007
Karen you are so full of it. I dont know where you got your crap but that is about as truthful as saying the there is no war in Iraq. I have seen some of you posts in other areas and you are so blind to fact its scary. I am glad that other kansans are not like you or that state would be in sad state. I have lived in Kansas and I am glad that not all are like you. I am not mormon as you call it, its called LDS. and yet I know more about them than you do. Find the truth before you comment.
James I lived your commentary. LOL You run a great story line. You should write a book you would make a great mystery writer.
Jack Moron er Mormon

United States

#4 Feb 23, 2007
By the 1970s, "Mormon" had become so common that the LDS Church began to use the term in its radio and television Public Service Announcements which ended: "A message from The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints: the Mormons." More recently the organization has asked the media to use the church's complete name and to follow any second reference with the name "The Church of Jesus Christ."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormon
Leave Me Alone

United States

#5 Feb 23, 2007
What I cannot stand is the thought of the LDS church being in Israel with a few churches and a BYU student learning center in Jerusalem. If the LDS faith believes that the "new" Jerusalem will be in the US, then keep thier faith and doctorine in the US and keep out of Jerusalem. You don't see Ashkenazi or Sephardic Jews beating down the doors of Salt Lake City to influence the community, nor do you see the Jewish community performing baptisms for dead members of the LDS faith.
Confused

United States

#6 Feb 23, 2007
Is there really THAT MUCH pressure put on LDS couples to have large families? I do have to giggle when I write this because, when I was growing up, it was the "Good Catholics" who had lots and lots of children because of the whole birth control issue...now I live in Utah and its the "Good Mormons" who have the large families :) It really breaks my heart to read what you have written, Karen, about the pressure on young returning missionaries to marry and have children right away. I just don't know what else to say.
Kevin1543

Seattle, WA

#7 Feb 24, 2007
Whenever, any couple, regardless of religion, decide to have a large family, adoption is the exception, they ought to be taxed at least $100.00 to off set the cost of larger classrooms, more teachers and other impacts this decision has upon society. Excessive tax breaks for those with large families is not fair or just to those who plan their families, and keep the number of children they choose to have, within their financial means to support them, without having to turn to welfare.

Since: Feb 07

East Carbon, UT

#9 Mar 1, 2007
What really bothers me the worse is those who claim utah is all mormons. When the truth be that mormons only make up 42 percent of the entire population of Utah. Example although there is a mormon church where I live population 980 we have six other churches and religions as well. Of which only 90 somthing are mormon and its that way all over the state. But few see it since there are so many lds churches throughout the state. But for every three mormon churches there are one church of another religion with probably more members than the three churches combined.
Big Bad Bob

Woods Cross, UT

#10 Mar 1, 2007
Utmtman wrote:
What really bothers me the worse is those who claim utah is all mormons. When the truth be that mormons only make up 42 percent of the entire population of Utah. Example although there is a mormon church where I live population 980 we have six other churches and religions as well. Of which only 90 somthing are mormon and its that way all over the state. But few see it since there are so many lds churches throughout the state. But for every three mormon churches there are one church of another religion with probably more members than the three churches combined.
I would also add that - just like every other large religious group - not all that 42% are practicing LDS. Meaning, they may have been born to Mormon parents, baptized and went to Church as a child, but as an adult do not go to Church anymore, or have their children go, either.

Living in Utah County, though, I would say there are a larger % of practicing LDS (out of total members) here than in Salt Lake County.

I think Davis County is the same way. But certainly down in Iron County, Beaver, Carbon, etc there are less Mormons for sure.

But alot of people tend to generalize and stereotype - especially true with out-of-staters who have NEVER been to Utah and actually have no clue what they are talking about...
Bozo the Clown

Salt Lake City, UT

#11 Mar 2, 2007
I knew "Bob" would pipe in. Them Yankees always have something to say.

I'm just waiting for him to start saying "Hey Pal"

Since: Feb 07

East Carbon, UT

#13 Mar 22, 2007
Does hey pal turn you on Bozo? lol if so maybe you should get with bob bawn.

Since: Feb 07

East Carbon, UT

#15 Mar 22, 2007
Gillebre is a queer idiot who loves mormons and wishes he could live in utah with them.
Gillebre

United States

#16 Mar 30, 2007
Gillebre is GAY!
Ute99

Salt Lake City, UT

#17 Apr 4, 2007
I think she basing this on her own experince and not of any truth. 1% does not reflect the 99%. I see more young LDS members waiting it out longer then the preposed age that she mentioned. I think the average age is between 25-35. Which is the national average. Maybe in Kansas they get married at 16-21. I also think she fails to point out that more teenagers are single parents and have children at younger age then young LDS getting married. Single parent teens is at all time high. (see plan parenthood facts)
Cactus

Provo, UT

#18 May 11, 2007
I love seeing all these percentages being thrown around. How 'bout a link to some census site that shows actaully something we can rely on.... what??!? NO way! Let's just throw out nubers so we can make a quick whity remark to the last poster
Taylor

Concord, NC

#19 May 22, 2007
I am not interested in moving to utah, but I do see the advantages of living the lifestyle and wish many others did as well, my life partner of 20 years have been in seach for this type relationship, and beacuse most are closed minded in the area, we have had to reach out for information from others as to where to place ads or to start such a seach, can any one help?
Koko the Gorilla

Salt Lake City, UT

#20 May 25, 2007
I wonder why LDS Family Services has to advertise if their is not a problem Cactus?
kishkumen

West Jordan, UT

#21 May 26, 2007
I was one of ten children born to my parents, they obviously didn't practice any birth control. I however choose to and I don't worry at all what any church leader or prophet for that matter says about it. You would have to go back a few years to see any comment from a church prophet or Apostle about birth control anyway. It's a matter now of being practical, getting tax exemptions don't come anywhere close to covering the overall cost of raising and education a child. So I choose to have few children (2) Mormon doctrine is dynamic in this regard, things change and God adjusts his requirements according.

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