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“My Life Is A Shell Game”

Since: May 07

Lapeer, MI

#1 Jan 15, 2012
Lorraine's attorney is doing what any good attorney would do in that position: look for any legal angle to get his client off the hook. That's the way the system works.

However, those two political reps should slam the Appeals Court decision up their robes until it hurts.

Judges are all too often nothing more than bumbling fools.

But, again, that's just how the system works. Having to step over the dogpile justices is a common act.
Deo Vindice

Sacramento, CA

#2 Jan 16, 2012
Was the life(s) the murderer took constitutional?

Liberals want to spare him to allow him to murder again.
If they do spare his life, and he murders once more, then the victim should be a liberal.
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#3 Jan 16, 2012
The death penalty is no deterrent due to the fact that it takes so long to carry out. In most Ohio cases, inmates spend 15 to 20 years before execution, with the exception of those who waiver appeals.

If our death penalty laws were carried out in three months after verdict--all appeals exhausted during that time, murder would be half the rate it is today in the state of Ohio. Here in the Cleveland area, we have nearly one murder per day. Why should murderers fear the law? After all, they need not worry about it for a few decades.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#4 Jan 17, 2012
shinningelectr0n wrote:
Lorraine's attorney is doing what any good attorney would do in that position: look for any legal angle to get his client off the hook. That's the way the system works.
However, those two political reps should slam the Appeals Court decision up their robes until it hurts.
Judges are all too often nothing more than bumbling fools.
But, again, that's just how the system works. Having to step over the dogpile justices is a common act.
What, exactly, is your problem with the appellate court decision (assuming you read it prior to rendering your expert opinion)?

“My Life Is A Shell Game”

Since: May 07

Lapeer, MI

#5 Jan 18, 2012
Sumie wrote:
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What, exactly, is your problem with the appellate court decision (assuming you read it prior to rendering your expert opinion)?
First, you are mistaken. Mine is not an expert opinion. This is where so many posters end up with tangled hooves when they begin getting smarmy and putting words into other people's comments. Do you also fart in crowded elevators to get attention? Pick your nose at the salad bar?

Second, my opinion is based on the contents and comments of the article which included "...an inmate's rights would not be violated by changes, such as which official announces the start and finish times of an injection."

If the changes are this minor, it becomes obvious that Lorraine is a sorry loser playing the system for a few more months or even years before he is shoved into an Ohio garbage bag.

Also, if one lives long enough to observe judicial behaviors to some considerable extent, their rulings begin to approach the level of Lorainne's mindset: juvenile instead of judicial.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#6 Jan 18, 2012
shinningelectr0n wrote:
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First, you are mistaken. Mine is not an expert opinion. This is where so many posters end up with tangled hooves when they begin getting smarmy and putting words into other people's comments. Do you also fart in crowded elevators to get attention? Pick your nose at the salad bar?
Second, my opinion is based on the contents and comments of the article which included "...an inmate's rights would not be violated by changes, such as which official announces the start and finish times of an injection."
If the changes are this minor, it becomes obvious that Lorraine is a sorry loser playing the system for a few more months or even years before he is shoved into an Ohio garbage bag.
Also, if one lives long enough to observe judicial behaviors to some considerable extent, their rulings begin to approach the level of Lorainne's mindset: juvenile instead of judicial.
Well, your rather crass rhetorical questions aside, I do apologize for assuming that you were an expert -- only, you blithely asserted that "judges are all too often bumbling fools", so I didn't feel that the assumption was altogether unreasonable.

Anyway.... I'm not sure if you think this ought to matter at all, but the state had established an execution protocol, which it subsequently reneged on. According to the opinion, the deviations from the protocol were not actually trivial, but rather affecting "core components" of the protocol the state had promised to adhere to. But even if the changes were trivial, shouldn't we expect the state to do what it says it's going to do -- or are you suggesting that, when it comes to executions, the standard ought to be 'close enough for government work'?

“My Life Is A Shell Game”

Since: May 07

Lapeer, MI

#7 Jan 18, 2012
Sumie wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, your rather crass rhetorical questions aside, I do apologize for assuming that you were an expert -- only, you blithely asserted that "judges are all too often bumbling fools", so I didn't feel that the assumption was altogether unreasonable.
Anyway.... I'm not sure if you think this ought to matter at all, but the state had established an execution protocol, which it subsequently reneged on. According to the opinion, the deviations from the protocol were not actually trivial, but rather affecting "core components" of the protocol the state had promised to adhere to. But even if the changes were trivial, shouldn't we expect the state to do what it says it's going to do -- or are you suggesting that, when it comes to executions, the standard ought to be 'close enough for government work'?
Like I said, my comments were based on the contents of the article. I am not privy to any legal briefs in the matter .

Just being a student of human nature qualifies me to a reasonable degree. The participants in this matter consist of government and judiciary in general and lawyers, judges and politicians specifically. Take your pick and tell us which side you prefer to root for.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#8 Jan 18, 2012
shinningelectr0n wrote:
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Like I said, my comments were based on the contents of the article. I am not privy to any legal briefs in the matter .
Just being a student of human nature qualifies me to a reasonable degree. The participants in this matter consist of government and judiciary in general and lawyers, judges and politicians specifically. Take your pick and tell us which side you prefer to root for.
I don't have a rooting interest in either party, and I doubt anyone would particularly care if I did. I do, however, believe that accountability should apply to the state as well as to the condemned -- meaning, that when the state says it's going to follow a protocol, the public has an interest in the state doing just that.

Also, for what it's worth, you're absolutely privy to (most) documents in death penalty cases, should you be interested. Here is Judge Frost's opinion: http://www.scribd.com/doc/77920720/Lorraine-L...

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